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 Topic: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty

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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #120 - July 04, 2011, 03:12 PM
     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #121 - July 04, 2011, 07:00 PM
    A work mate (hating to admit it) was saying if an attractive waitress shortchanged him he would pass it off as a tip more easily than a none desirable waitress. Nature or nurture? It is a common observation and question:

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-to-admit-it-but-Im-nicer-to-attractive-people-/115899105113470
    http://www.skincaretalk.com/off-topic-talk/2029-you-generally-nicer-physically-attractive-people.html
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071226110546AAwzMll
    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=92061
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #122 - July 05, 2011, 02:24 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on July 03, 2011, 03:22 PM
    (Clicky for piccy!)

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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #123 - July 05, 2011, 02:40 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on July 03, 2011, 03:22 PM
    As to why black women are least desired .... well let's first at least point out the match rate:

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Then the other graph:

    (Clicky for piccy!)



    These graphs are very sketchy. First off, where did you get these graphs (the website where they are hosted has no other pages). Second, what do you mean my 'all things equal'? Do these graphs really factor for similar physical attributes and personal traits? What about ideologies, or availability of pictures (or the kinds of pictures: some people might be hesitant to post full body pictures and hence get less replies... could be a product of conditioning... we don't know but these are questions to be concerned about).

    I would not take these graphs too seriously until we know all the relevant information about the subjects and over what time period this 'study' was done.

    -take it from a statistican Wink
  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #124 - July 05, 2011, 07:16 PM
    the fact that HO is trying to point out that Black women are less desirable makes me not to even bother to check the graph because its way inconclusive to me
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #125 - July 05, 2011, 07:36 PM
    Being white male or a black female is hard aestheticly  Roll Eyes
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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    Just kidding, here are some true heros
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #126 - July 05, 2011, 07:45 PM
    Quote from: Naija Infidel on July 05, 2011, 07:16 PM
    the fact that HO is trying to point out that Black women are less desirable makes me not to even bother to check the graph because its way inconclusive to me


    Oh, it is not HO who is saying that, it was me who posted that Naija, it is simply posting the trends shown at okcupid.

    HO was not in anyway saying that, just to make that clear.  Nor I am saying that is the case.

    The argument here is that in the west a certain skin colour is desirable, and you are not from the west, you are from Nigeria, where you would have to be a pretty stupid man to agree with this. 

    Quote from: kleine Bruder on July 05, 2011, 02:40 PM
    These graphs are very sketchy. First off, where did you get these graphs (the website where they are hosted has no other pages). Second, what do you mean my 'all things equal'? Do these graphs really factor for similar physical attributes and personal traits? What about ideologies, or availability of pictures (or the kinds of pictures: some people might be hesitant to post full body pictures and hence get less replies... could be a product of conditioning... we don't know but these are questions to be concerned about).

    I would not take these graphs too seriously until we know all the relevant information about the subjects and over what time period this 'study' was done.

    -take it from a statistican Wink


    Good points to consider.   Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #127 - July 05, 2011, 08:02 PM
    oops my bad! lipsrsealed

    HO My apologies, i should have read better
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #128 - July 08, 2011, 12:52 AM
    Be yourself. Society is not its individuals. There are plenty of people out there who accept us for who we are, and don't care if we don't look like barbies or are at our best in everything physical trait all the time. I mean come on. They aren't either.  Roll Eyes So why the fuck would they care?  Smiley If you're in a healthy relationship, it won't matter.

    People move on and make their own way. There might be a "universal" beauty standard but how come so many people who don't fit that still get into relationships, sometimes even with people who are thought to be "more attractive" than them?

    And interracial relationships are also on the rise. People are starting to give less of a fuck on looks I think... because that is what happens when you get to know someone personally and see them for who they are and love their spirit, and that overrides any of their physical looks.

    So what are we talking about here?

    Don't we let society dictate enough for us (especially with gender issues)? Why our image too?  Roll Eyes

    As for the gender issues, I think we need to fight them at a young age. Teach our kids not to listen to the outside world - school teachers, media, etc, and teach them what is true - the fact that women are men are more the same than they are different. And strip the gender stereotypes by telling them that actually, the only reason we have these stereotypes today is because society teaches that to everyone, not because we are really like this or that. If it wasn't for fucking society, people would grow up and be their own person - having whatever traits that come natural to them as their own man and their own woman. None of this feminine or masculine labeling crap - we wouldn't even recognize those words anymore, not at the extreme we do today anyways.  dance
    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #129 - July 08, 2011, 12:17 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on July 04, 2011, 03:06 PM
    Ok captain obvious, can anyone link me to some source that proves men lick more pussy these days than in the olden days?


    What does that have to do with anything, most folks will not admit to licking pussy. I love sucking/licking pussy want having the woman face-sitting on me.
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #130 - July 08, 2011, 01:02 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on July 08, 2011, 12:17 PM
    I love face-sitting on me.

    Huh! how about waterboarding  Tut??

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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #131 - July 08, 2011, 09:32 PM
    There is pressure for sure. Discussion of why we have to be beautiful doesn't always make sense as beauty is very relative, as much it is a cliche it is very true. Doesnt make sense but still there it is. Yeah the veil takes some of that pressure, but not completely puts an end to it. You can even be praised for trying not to look good, you'd be associated with many good deeds such morality, humbleness bla bla. But the question is how many hijabis try not to look good? They do  whatever they can --sometimes even to the extent of crossing the border to not looking Muslim except the veil -- to look good even through veil. I did that myself too, I couldn't stand being not chic or beautiful. So the pressure doesn't go away, you see? There is also the question of Muslim men who keep forcing their wives, sisters, daughters, mother to be the perfect hijabis, to cover their beauty but then complaining that they don't look beautiful and they don't mind looking handsome themselves (for ins. the perfume rule, that men --not only can- but should wear some perfume , it is sunnah, but women can't, it is bullshit, if it is to avoid sexual attraction then what about us who like a good smell on men, even turn our heads to where that great smell is coming from). Here is the hypocrisy.

    Yeah if anyone thought you aren't beautiful it was the hijab to blame, it was supposed to be that way. So it helps you let go and on the psychological basis, it can create a false self esteem, one might argue to herself that she would sure look good if it wasn't for the hijab. I have had many friends -- both Turkish and foreigners-- who had low self esteems and when anyone declared that they are ugly; they would put the blame on hijab to make peace with themselves. As for own experience, I have been through similar things as well; but basically my main issue was this other sort of burden you mentioned Berb. The burden of wearing the hijab V.s the comfort of wearing it. For me the former was true. I carried --still carry unfortunately-- the hijab with discomfort whole my life, dont need no comfort of wearing it  Smiley, just let me be!
    God = King of Despots
  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #132 - July 09, 2011, 08:56 PM
    Quote from: Peppermint Tits on July 08, 2011, 12:52 AM
    Be yourself.  ..

    what?? be yourself?? Nope that is NOT for women., Allah says it is only for men..

    See how beautiful  these Muslim women are.,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s97QxQ3VOMQ

    hey... Allah help me out here..

    peppermint, some one said your picture is floating in the forum.  I am sure you too look as beautiful as these Muslimah in Niqab
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #133 - July 09, 2011, 09:25 PM
    yeezevee how do you have this encylopedic knowledge of youtube vidoes for almost any possible reply?!  Cheesy
    Interesting videos though!
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #134 - July 09, 2011, 09:27 PM
    Quote from: Naija Infidel on July 05, 2011, 08:02 PM
    oops my bad! lipsrsealed

    HO My apologies, i should have read better


    No worries!  Smiley And thanks BerberElla for pointing that out.
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #135 - July 09, 2011, 11:40 PM
    Quote from: Madame X on July 08, 2011, 09:32 PM
      The burden of wearing the hijab V.s the comfort of wearing it. For me the former was true. I carried --still carry unfortunately-- the hijab with discomfort whole my life, dont need no comfort of wearing it  Smiley, just let me be!



    What are your views on the burkha ban?


    Quote from: yeezevee on July 09, 2011, 08:56 PM
    what?? be yourself?? Nope that is NOT for women., Allah says it is only for men..

    See how beautiful  these Muslim women are.,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s97QxQ3VOMQ

     

    peppermint, some one said your picture is floating in the forum.  I am sure you too look as beautiful as these Muslimah in Niqab


    UFO!
    Do you have special night vision yeezevee? Lmao


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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #136 - July 10, 2011, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on July 09, 2011, 09:25 PM
    yeezevee how do you have this encylopedic knowledge of youtube vidoes for almost any possible reply?!  Cheesy
    Interesting videos though!


     Cheesy thats one of the things i like about him
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #137 - July 10, 2011, 07:53 PM
    I'm pretty sure yeezevee much watch at least 10-20 new videos a day to build up such a pool of videos. Grin
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #138 - July 10, 2011, 07:58 PM
    Hypocurcifier,

    I dont know much about it, but kind of remembering that it was banned in some European country right? Well in Turkey we had hijab ban in colleges and still have it in public offices if you work there. But what I think is pretty simple and short: I wish the entire world could overcome any sort of religious despotism, but if someone insists on following the rules of an unknown, cruel, ridiculous God, who doesn't show himself but keeps demanding strange things, fine then let them be. Good wishing is good but cant convince everyone. I hate the reasons for banning it and dont believe them to be solid reasons; any type of despotism, imposing under stupid excuses is a no-no for me whether be it from a stupid deity or human. Let me explain myself like this. They forced me to take my hijab off during college, now they force me to wear it and I hate them both. Wish took it off back then though, since now I could live closer to what I am; a proud infidel Cheesy I sometimes feel so bad for finding the truth so late, wasted so much of my life obeying a fucking human-made book!
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #139 - July 10, 2011, 10:51 PM
    Quote from: Madame X on July 10, 2011, 07:58 PM
    I sometimes feel so bad for finding the truth so late, wasted so much of my life obeying a fucking human-made book!


    Anti ameen sister.  I feel your regret like it was my own.   yes

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #140 - July 10, 2011, 11:04 PM
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #141 - July 10, 2011, 11:17 PM
    Talking to an attractive woman really can make a man lose his mind, according to a new study.
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #142 - July 11, 2011, 12:40 AM
    Time to break out the niqabs again.....................................oh wait LOL that's for attractive women   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #143 - July 11, 2011, 12:46 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on July 11, 2011, 12:40 AM
    Time to break out the niqabs again.....................................oh wait LOL that's for attractive women   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy




    Dude weak. Your avatar implies that you're tremendously sexxy. Nice avvatar.
  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #144 - July 11, 2011, 12:49 AM
    Avatars are representations of our inside worlds.  Inside I am everything she is, when I open my eyes, I'm me again lol.  cool2

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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #145 - July 11, 2011, 01:03 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on July 11, 2011, 12:49 AM
    Avatars are representations of our inside worlds.  Inside I am everything she is, when I open my eyes, I'm me again lol.  cool2



     

    Lol, LTT, the Void, and Rand. Sweet  grin12

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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #146 - July 11, 2011, 01:25 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on July 11, 2011, 12:49 AM
    Avatars are representations of our inside worlds.  Inside I am everything she is, when I open my eyes, I'm me again lol.  cool2




    +1 Cheesy
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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #147 - July 11, 2011, 01:26 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on July 10, 2011, 10:51 PM
    Anti ameen sister.  I feel your regret like it was my own.   yes




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  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #148 - July 14, 2011, 11:54 PM
     I carried --still carry unfortunately-- the hijab with discomfort whole my life, dont need no comfort of wearing it  Smiley, just let me be!

    [/quote]

    Are you still a Muslim and wear Hijab?
  • Re: Hijab, self esteem and the culture of beauty
     Reply #149 - July 15, 2011, 02:39 AM
    Quote from: Maria on July 14, 2011, 11:54 PM
    I carried --still carry unfortunately-- the hijab with discomfort whole my life, dont need no comfort of wearing it  Smiley, just let me be!



    Are you still a Muslim and wear Hijab?


    No Maria, I am not a Muslim anymore, left it behind long ago but it doesnt leave me. Yeah I am forced to wear hijab, not force as in force it upon me physically but psychologically. 
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