First signs of the Higgs Boson - (this is amazing news) (possibly)

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Re: First signs of the Higgs Boson - (this is amazing news) (possibly)
Reply #60 - July 05, 2012, 10:21 AM

It basically (if true) other theories, go out of the window like string theory, super symmetry, Superfluid vacuum theory, Grand unified theory etc, basically things like parallel universes, Multiverses and higher-dimensions become unlikely. The standard model is kind of the boring one out of them.

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Reply #61 - July 05, 2012, 07:52 PM

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Reply #62 - July 06, 2012, 04:02 AM

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Reply #63 - July 06, 2012, 04:24 AM

It's funny, I was on that earlier, but I haven't memorised the stupid book. I'll have to ask a Maulvi at my local mosque.

So, it's no longer the god particle, since now, we have evidence that it exists, unlike something else.
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Re: First signs of the Higgs Boson - (this is amazing news) (possibly)
Reply #64 - July 06, 2012, 07:23 AM

Quote from: King Tut on July 05, 2012, 10:21 AM
It basically (if true) other theories, go out of the window like string theory, super symmetry, Superfluid vacuum theory, Grand unified theory etc, basically things like parallel universes, Multiverses and higher-dimensions become unlikely. The standard model is kind of the boring one out of them.

I read that parallel universes aren't out, nor multiverses, I don't think I have read anything about string theory, and the color one (I currently forget the name of) and super symmetry are not out but the possible variables are much more limited.

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Reply #65 - July 06, 2012, 07:39 AM

Quote from: King Tut on July 05, 2012, 10:21 AM
It basically (if true) other theories, go out of the window like string theory, super symmetry, Superfluid vacuum theory, Grand unified theory etc, basically things like parallel universes, Multiverses and higher-dimensions become unlikely. The standard model is kind of the boring one out of them.

The standard model does not conflict with string theory, or the theory of everything. String theory simply underlies the standard model, it explains things the standard model cannot. Nothing is going to be boring with the discovery of the Higgs, it simply allows physics to finally make a major step forward. There is still much to discover (like whether the standard model will need any changes depending on what scale (gev) the higgs is found. Also, other things such as why the standard model is the way it is, string theory being one attempt at that explanation).

This is a good post from the Physics forum:
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Re: Does the discovery of the Higgs Boson disprove String Theory?

I'm not expert in the standard model of particle physics or extensions to it, but my understanding is that string theory is meant to act as an *underlying* theory for the standard model of particle physics i.e. one that is more fundamental and explains many of the "why" questions that the standard model raises. For instance, in the standard model we are stuck with four fundamental forces of nature, whereas string theory *unifies* these forces (explains them all in terms of a single underlying theoretical framework). In particular, one of those fundamental forces, gravity (which is explained in terms of general relativity) is unified with the other three, which are explained in terms of quantum mechanics. General relativity and quantum mechanics *are* in conflict in many ways, and one of the goals of string theory is to be a "quantum theory of gravity" that would resolve these conflicts. The standard model of particle physics also contains a whole zoo of elementary particles of various types. Why is there this particular number of particles? Why do they have the particular masses that they do? With the standard model, the answer is just, " because that's the way nature is." But string theory attempts to explain all of these by introducing the idea that all elementary particles are actually made up of a bunch of tiny vibrating strings. So, we have a theory that's trying to unify all the fundamental forces and all the fundamental particles, to explain them all in terms of an underlying phenomenon. For this reason, string theory is often referred to as an attempt at a "theory of everything" (TOE). We don't actually have a complete TOE yet though. Caveat: I can't say much more about this, because I know next to nothing about the actual theory. I'm neither a proponent nor an opponent of string theory. I don't have enough information to hold an informed opinion about it either way.

So, to answer your question, no, the discovery of the Higgs boson does not disprove string theory (but it does not prove it either). It really has nothing to do with it as far as I know. Furthermore, the standard model of particle physics is not in conflict with string theory. The latter is intended to act as a deeper and more fundamental explanation of the former.

Source: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=618596

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Re: First signs of the Higgs Boson - (this is amazing news) (possibly)
Reply #66 - July 06, 2012, 03:35 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 06, 2012, 07:23 AM
I read that parallel universes aren't out, nor multiverses, I don't think I have read anything about string theory, and the color one (I currently forget the name of) and super symmetry are not out but the possible variables are much more limited.

The Higgs and the multiverse are not related, it has no bearing on parallel universes, nor multiverses. It has implications for supersymmetry (SUSY), it basically creates a problem for low energy SUSY, we haven't found evidence of SUSY at low energies. With the mass of the Higgs being what it is, the energies required for SUSY to be true are too high, so they end up being too high for the problem it was designed to solve. Since SUSY is a part of string theory, if there are problems for SUSY, there are slight problems for string theory.

The techicolourists didn't find the news to be so good, one of the reason that this discovery is bad is that we knew it was going to happen, and what it implies, but it gives us nothing beyond that. Had the Higgs not shown up at the LHC, then it would have been interesting, and it would have given Techicolour more weight.

It has no bearing on TOE, as string theory was never really accepted by a lot of physicists, and there are viable alternatives to it. Loop quantum gravity is one such thing, though it isn't a TOE, but it might put us on the right track to find a TOE.

There's still a lot of physics to come from the LHC, they haven't even begun 14 TeV collisions. They're still running at 8 TeV.
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Re: First signs of the Higgs Boson - (this is amazing news) (possibly)
Reply #67 - July 06, 2012, 06:19 PM

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CERN announced with confidence in July 2012 that the hypothesised Higgs particle had been detected. The particle discovered has an energy of 125.5 gigaelectron volts and 133 times the mass of the proton. Its importance is the reason this particle gained the notorious title of the “god particle”. Its existence is not certain, but is probable at the level of 99.9999% or “five sigma”. Although a particle was lurking in the predicted energy range, it might still not confirm the Higgs field, which gives particle their mass. Despite persisting uncertainties, confidence in the Standard Model of particle physics has increased dramatically. I can believe in Higgs because it is probably true and not yet disproved. The guru Granth sahib, the Torah, the Pope, or the Pali canon of Buddhism are all below five sigma probability.
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Reply #68 - July 06, 2012, 08:06 PM

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Reply #69 - July 06, 2012, 08:10 PM

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Reply #70 - July 06, 2012, 08:32 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 06, 2012, 07:23 AM
I read that parallel universes aren't out, nor multiverses, I don't think I have read anything about string theory, and the color one (I currently forget the name of) and super symmetry are not out but the possible variables are much more limited.

Sorry it was my fault. What I meant to say is that, the current models we have for these theories will have to tweaked, but overall it doesn't change much, other then limiting the scope.

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Reply #71 - July 06, 2012, 08:35 PM

Quote from: PeruvianSkies on July 06, 2012, 07:39 AM
The standard model does not conflict with string theory, or the theory of everything. String theory simply underlies the standard model, it explains things the standard model cannot. Nothing is going to be boring with the discovery of the Higgs, it simply allows physics to finally make a major step forward. There is still much to discover (like whether the standard model will need any changes depending on what scale (gev) the higgs is found. Also, other things such as why the standard model is the way it is, string theory being one attempt at that explanation).

This is a good post from the Physics forum:Source: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=618596

No I was wasn't talking about the standard model, I was talking about that effect the higgs boson will have effect on those theories what I meant to say was that those models will have to be tweaked and take into account the higgs boson. But we still don't know if it's THE higgs boson, there can be put to five higgs bosons we just don't know at the moment which one of the 5 it actually is.

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Re: First signs of the Higgs Boson - (this is amazing news) (possibly)
Reply #72 - July 06, 2012, 10:16 PM

You didn't say anything like that Tut, and if that's what you meant then you have a funny way of wording it.

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Reply #73 - July 07, 2012, 12:21 AM

Quote from: PeruvianSkies on July 06, 2012, 10:16 PM
You didn't say anything like that Tut, and if that's what you meant then you have a funny way of wording it.

yeah sorry I don't know what the fuck am talking about, I was thinking something else, just having a shity time IRL with family so yeah my bad.

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Reply #74 - July 07, 2012, 07:26 AM

Professor Armstrong (Quran scientist) called me on Skype yesterday to ask if the book had turned up safely. We had a quick chat about this and he told me that the name "God particle" came about when someone wrote an article about it and called it "The goddamned particle" but the publisher whimped out and removed "damned."

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Reply #75 - July 07, 2012, 09:50 AM

Quote from: King Tut on July 24, 2011, 06:27 PM
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First signs of the Higgs Boson

Great.. wonderful ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExMlU5cYQFE

God is sitting inside that subatomic particle. Now that impotent god sitting in that houri house with lots of houries cost us something close to half a trillion dollars ..

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he Large Hadron Collider took about a decade to construct, for a total cost of about $4.75 billion. There are several different experiments going on at the LHC, including the CMS and ATLAS Detectors which discovered the Higgs boson. CERN contributes about 20% of the cost of those experiments, which is a total of about $5.5 billion a year. The remainder of the funding for those experiments is provided by international collaborations. Computing power is also a significant part of the cost of running CERN – about $286 million annually. Electricity costs alone for the LHC run about $23.5 million per year. The total operating budget of the LHC runs to about $1 billion per year.

after all that we still don't know what ACTUALLY THAT GOD's Particle is .. They found some particle.. who knows what it is??.. we need another trillion multinational dollars to maintain that monster..

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Reply #76 - July 07, 2012, 11:19 AM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 07, 2012, 07:26 AM
Professor Armstrong (Quran scientist) called me on Skype yesterday to ask if the book had turned up safely. We had a quick chat about this and he told me that the name "God particle" came about when someone wrote an article about it and called it "The goddamned particle" but the publisher whimped out and removed "damned."

Yeah I read similar sometime back. But still as our scientific knowledge increases it reduces the God of the Gaps argument. When we can say how matter came about without the need of a god and then this proves problematic for theists. So technically you can use God Particle i.e. in the sense that particle and its associated field, explain how all matter in existence came into being without the need of a god. The only fear of using the name God particle is that theists will twist this to imply that this proves god, because of the name, rather than the actual function of it. Or use the fine tuning argument, not realizing that fine tuning actually implies external restrictions, i.e. to the laws of physics so using that argument god is bounded (restricted) the natural laws of physics. A youtuber DarkMatter2525 explains this alot better than me.

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Reply #77 - July 10, 2012, 06:37 PM

PHD Comics has a made a pretty cool video explaining the Higgs Boson. It's a very simple video but exceptionally well done, worth a watch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hn0jYjijNs

Or you can watch it here:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/04/26/phd-comics-explains-the-higgs-boson/

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Reply #78 - July 21, 2012, 09:34 AM

About a year ago I went on Ummah.com, and asked them if there is a Higgs Boson according to the quran, explaining that I was offering them a chance to make a real prediction rather than a postdiction. They banned me, again.
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Reply #79 - July 21, 2012, 11:34 PM

Quote from: dr_sloth on July 21, 2012, 09:34 AM
About a year ago I went on Ummah.com, and asked them if there is a Higgs Boson according to the quran, explaining that I was offering them a chance to make a real prediction rather than a postdiction. They banned me, again.

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New evidence for the direct decay of the 125 GeV/c^2 Higgs boson to fermions
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