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 Topic: Where are Heaven, Hell, Hoors and Jinns in the Old Testament?

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  • Where are Heaven, Hell, Hoors and Jinns in the Old Testament?
     OP - August 06, 2011, 01:04 PM

    If Allah is the same GOD that revealed all revealed texts in the Old Testament, and mind you there are total of 39 texts in the Old Testament, then how come none of these texts ever mentions heaven, hell, hoors, or Jinns?

    Ask yourself this question, how illogical it is to believe that books as widely dispersed as the Torah or the Tanakh are going to be altered to remove all references to these things? Books do not have one copy that you may walk up to and change. Just compare the Masoretic Torah with the Torah possessed by the Samaritans (Abishua Scroll), and you will see neither of them contains any mention of heaven, hell, hoors, or Jinns!

    Mohammed lied to you and created a false story and he was just showing you a carrot that you would never be able to get anyways, and a stick that would never be able to punish you anyways, because neither of them really exist. But since you do not know that you are believing in it because Quran and Islam mandates belief without sight. But how can you prove to the world that your belief without sight and encounter is any more rational and true compared to the beliefs of other religions. You are a classic victim of a long con. A con whose result you will never see because you will eventually die never to rise again.

    There is a mighty big discrepancy between what Quran says and what the books before it said about Afterlife. No wonder Mohammed Al-Zakariya Al-Razi said these things about Islam and Quran:

    Regarding the need for prophets, he wrote:

    "On what ground do you deem it necessary that God should single out certain individuals [by giving them prophecy], that he should set them up above other people, that he should appoint them to be the people's guides, and make people dependent upon them?"

    and regarding people like you who lack interest in rational analysis or criticism of your beliefs, he wrote:

    If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed.

    and about Quran's miraculous nature, he wrote:

    You claim that the evidentiary miracle is present and available, namely, the Koran. You say: "Whoever denies it, let him produce a similar one." Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter. ... By God what you say astonishes us! You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation. Then you say: "Produce something like it"?!

    So what do you think Islam has other than a threat of Carrot and the Stick that the other religions before it do not have? You are pagan just like Christians to the point that Your Allah and His Angels are sending Durood and Salaams (a meaningless timewaster) upon a dead prophet and asking you to do the same. You replay the same pagan rituals and Makkah every year, so what is so special about it?

    Do any of you even know that entire Old Testament never mentions Makkah, and it never ever mentions the Kaaba? Do you even know that Kaabah was a pagan custom brought from Yemen after a dam burst there and no Kaabah existed at Makkah before one was brought their by the Yemenis?

    Think about all of this and reflect in your mind before answering any of this that I have written.

    The most merciful Allah, who is more merciful than your own mortal mother, is capable of punishing you for eternity for a finite sin committed in a finite lifetime with finite knowledge, while your mother nor any living creature that is NOT a sadistic mother fucker would never commit such an act.
  • Re: Where are Heaven, Hell, Hoors and Jinns in the Old Testament?
     Reply #1 - August 06, 2011, 01:45 PM

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    Do you even know that Kaabah was a pagan custom brought from Yemen after a dam burst there and no Kaabah existed at Makkah before one was brought their by the Yemenis?

    I think you got it completely wrong here and confused al-Kolias (القُليس), which habashi Araba built in Yemen to win over the approval of Aṣsḥama ibn Abjar, the then was Emperor of Abyssinia, with Kaabah which if Islamic history sources are to be trusted was built by Adam and then renovated by Abraham and his son Ishmael.

    The dressing of Kaabah or Kiswah was inspired by Ismael and it's also said by a dream of one of the cheifs of Quraish. Because it was considered holy and part of the Kaabah, older kiswarhs weren't removed and new covers were placed over, till it was feared that the weight of Kiswahs would cause the collapse of the Kaabah. The Kaabah had two doors and Hakim ibn Hizam was born inside it as his mother's water broke whilst passing through the Kaabah.

    When an Arab person heard of the al-Kolias, he got very upset and went to it and defecated in it. When Abraha knew about it, asked why and was told because this man believed there shouldn't be another Kaabah to which people offer their worship in the Arabian peninsula. It was then that Abraha went with his army and elephants towards Mecca to restore faith in his Kolias. Hence the Koranic chapter named after it, 105. All the books of history such as The Beginning and the End by Ibn Katheer and others mention this and detail it, because it was the year that the prophet Mohammed was born in.

    This much is known and recorded and Muslims aren't that ignorant or naive. I wonder where did you get this piece of information from.  
  • Re: Where are Heaven, Hell, Hoors and Jinns in the Old Testament?
     Reply #2 - August 06, 2011, 01:54 PM

    Actually if you read Ezekiel 28:14-16, its referring to shaytan, and
    the stones of fire *translated* could very well have been jinn in
    seed form.

    14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Where are Heaven, Hell, Hoors and Jinns in the Old Testament?
     Reply #3 - August 06, 2011, 01:56 PM

    There is no heaven or hell. Only reality. Hell is primarily created to spread fear. Fear is the mother of morality (Nietzsche).

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Where are Heaven, Hell, Hoors and Jinns in the Old Testament?
     Reply #4 - August 06, 2011, 01:58 PM

    the king james version is what i originally learned this from:

    Ezekiel 28:14-16
    King James Version (KJV)


     14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

     15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

     16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.


    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Where are Heaven, Hell, Hoors and Jinns in the Old Testament?
     Reply #5 - August 06, 2011, 02:01 PM

    Fear is the mother of morality (Nietzsche).

     Would you agree if I say empathy is the father and made it a bit more internal?  Smiley
  • Re: Where are Heaven, Hell, Hoors and Jinns in the Old Testament?
     Reply #6 - August 07, 2011, 10:11 PM

    Throughout history mankind has felt the spiritual in things. E.g. the numinous, chi, etc. A sort of spirituality infused in everything. In the case of Arabs, the heat of the desert made such a force seem malignant — hence the belief in evil jinns.
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