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 Topic: Riots in London

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  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #180 - August 09, 2011, 03:50 PM



    Lol

    Hey Iraqi A, did you write that yourself?
    (If you did, I'd like to change the Lol above, to a Rofl)

    Hi
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #181 - August 09, 2011, 03:55 PM

    lol no not me
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #182 - August 09, 2011, 03:55 PM

    http://www.metro.co.uk/news/871848-london-riots-thugs-force-people-to-strip-naked-to-steal-clothes

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #183 - August 09, 2011, 03:59 PM

    Not gonna lie, if shit was hitting the fan and society was collapsing around me and I noticed the local Best Buy was smashed open, I'd probably stroll in and grab an Ipad or two myself.. maybe even treat myself to a pair a Bose headphones while I'm at it.  Afro

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #184 - August 09, 2011, 05:02 PM

    There is a context to London's riots that can't be ignored

    Quote
    Since the coalition came to power just over a year ago, the country has seen multiple student protests, occupations of dozens of universities, several strikes, a half-a-million-strong trade union march and now unrest on the streets of the capital (preceded by clashes with Bristol police in Stokes Croft earlier in the year). Each of these events was sparked by a different cause, yet all take place against a backdrop of brutal cuts and enforced austerity measures. The government knows very well that it is taking a gamble, and that its policies run the risk of sparking mass unrest on a scale we haven't seen since the early 1980s. With people taking to the streets of Tottenham, Edmonton, Brixton and elsewhere over the past few nights, we could be about to see the government enter a sustained and serious losing streak.

    The policies of the past year may have clarified the division between the entitled and the dispossessed in extreme terms, but the context for social unrest cuts much deeper. The fatal shooting of Mark Duggan last Thursday, where it appears, contrary to initial accounts, that only police bullets were fired, is another tragic event in a longer history of the Metropolitan police's treatment of ordinary Londoners, especially those from black and minority ethnic backgrounds, and the singling out of specific areas and individuals for monitoring, stop and search and daily harassment.

    One journalist wrote that he was surprised how many people in Tottenham knew of and were critical of the IPCC, but there should be nothing surprising about this. When you look at the figures for deaths in police custody (at least 333 since 1998 and not a single conviction of any police officer for any of them), then the IPCC and the courts are seen by many, quite reasonably, to be protecting the police rather than the people.

    Combine understandable suspicion of and resentment towards the police based on experience and memory with high poverty and large unemployment and the reasons why people are taking to the streets become clear. (Haringey, the borough that includes Tottenham, has the fourth highest level of child poverty in London and an unemployment rate of 8.8%, double the national average, with one vacancy for every 54 seeking work in the borough.)

    Those condemning the events of the past couple of nights in north London and elsewhere would do well to take a step back and consider the bigger picture: a country in which the richest 10% are now 100 times better off than the poorest, where consumerism predicated on personal debt has been pushed for years as the solution to a faltering economy, and where, according to the OECD, social mobility is worse than any other developed country.

    As Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett point out in The Spirit Level: Why Equality is Better for Everyone, phenomena usually described as "social problems" (crime, ill-health, imprisonment rates, mental illness) are far more common in unequal societies than ones with better economic distribution and less gap between the richest and the poorest. Decades of individualism, competition and state-encouraged selfishness – combined with a systematic crushing of unions and the ever-increasing criminalisation of dissent – have made Britain one of the most unequal countries in the developed world.

    Images of burning buildings, cars aflame and stripped-out shops may provide spectacular fodder for a restless media, ever hungry for new stories and fresh groups to demonise, but we will understand nothing of these events if we ignore the history and the context in which they occur.


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    Started from the bottom, now my whole extended family's here

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  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #185 - August 09, 2011, 05:02 PM

    Ishina, don't rob people who burn immigrant families out of their flats and wreck and steal from businesses of their agency and personal responsibility. The primary victims are the poor and downtrodden of those areas whose environment and communities have been destroyed and were personally dispossessed.

    "The rich rob the poor and the poor rob one another"
    *sigh* 'tis sad

    Yes, there was anger against JD Sports and Footlocker for not having enough Adidas Sambas in their size, and Curry's and Debenhams for not having Sony Brava HD in 60" in stock.

    Being serious, here is a very telling piece on what bloggers and activists in Egypt, who are undergoing a real social movement, are making of all this:

    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/egyptian-bloggers-parse-london-riots-in-real-time/

    I am still sceptical how successful the Arab revolutions are and I still think there is a long way to go before Arab countries get proper governments. I'd even question WHY the Egyptian revolution especially is considered so successful. I think it had to do more with other things than the actual (mostly peaceful) protesters. And many other ongoing revolutions have turned either into massacres or a full blown war.

    Anyhow whilst the current riots are bad and definitely going in the wrong direction, is the government going to do the logical thing after and that is to sit down and discuss WHY this happened as opposed to just putting it down to criminals and thugs? I dont think they will.
    Already, this is what Neck Clegg is saying (and he's NOT talking about the British Army) :
    "People engaged in violence, looting & theft have no excuse to do that whatsoever"

    Whilst I think a lot of the rioters are opportunists and thieves, if we refuse to look at the underlying grievances instead of dismiss them as laziness or a "let's 'av it lads" mentality etc instead of inequality and decades of oppression in under-privileged communities that lies in the heart of this,  then it will only happen again and again till we either end up with full blown anarchy or a police state. I am not sure which one I want. Both are looking equally likely and equally terrifying right now.

    I don't think that making victims of the perpetrators is the way to go about it.

    Like I said, tens of millions of people are suffering because of budgetary cuts and austerity. Millions are marginalised, unemployed. But they don't resort to burning poor people out of their homes, attacking bus drivers and setting his bus on fire, and so on and so forth.

    I agree partly but does peacefully protesting result in your voice being heard? Historical evidence tends to indicate otherwise.
    And about the making victims of the perpetrators, I don't think it's like that. Of course looting and violence isn't gonna end police (and other) injustice but at the same time as long as justice is not served and the police continue to serve others rather than the people and persist to see themselves above the law, the young people will carry on taking the law in their own hands. If the police want the riots to stop they should stop killing people.

    Started from the bottom, now I'm here
    Started from the bottom, now my whole extended family's here

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  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #186 - August 09, 2011, 05:15 PM

    I don't think that making victims of the perpetrators is the way to go about it.

    Who is? The whole nation is crying out for police crackdown. The whole world is.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #187 - August 09, 2011, 05:17 PM

    *yawn* ...oh no carrying visible firearms might traumatize those poor innocent people....

    Hurr hurr. Do more funny stuff, funny guy.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #188 - August 09, 2011, 05:23 PM

    Not gonna lie, if shit was hitting the fan and society was collapsing around me and I noticed the local Best Buy was smashed open, I'd probably stroll in and grab an Ipad or two myself.. maybe even treat myself to a pair a Bose headphones while I'm at it.  Afro

    Not gonna lie, that makes you a cunt.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #189 - August 09, 2011, 05:24 PM

    Not gonna lie, that makes you a cunt.


     Cheesy

    Are you seriously telling me you don't want an Ipad?

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #190 - August 09, 2011, 05:24 PM

     popcorn

    ...Sorry, but this thread is hella fun to lurk...
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #191 - August 09, 2011, 05:28 PM

    Jemma, but we don't want labor back!!!

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #192 - August 09, 2011, 05:28 PM

    Cheesy

    Are you seriously telling me you don't want an Ipad?

    Nope, I'm gonna take advantage of my new found liberty from civilised society by dragging you into a back ally and butt fucking you with your new iPad. I hope, for your sake, that you nabbed a nano.

    Edit: There's no such thing as a nano iPad is there. Oh dear, best steal some lube too.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #193 - August 09, 2011, 05:30 PM

    I won't mind. Wink


    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #194 - August 09, 2011, 05:34 PM

    Who is? The whole nation is crying out for police crackdown. The whole world is.


    Rightfully so. Break their fucking bones - sticks, dogs, hoses, rubber bullets. Git r dun. It's a democratic country, there are avenues to express grievances, even a pseudo-violent *protest* would be acceptable. There is NO excuse for looting, robbing and burning in democratic soceity.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #195 - August 09, 2011, 05:37 PM

    Stop typing.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #196 - August 09, 2011, 05:37 PM

    You're so cute when you're self-righteous Smiley

    Go hug a rioter, see how nice he is to you.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #197 - August 09, 2011, 05:39 PM

    The underlying problems that make people animals steal off an injured boy or burn businesses of working class people?  Cheesy



    +1

    Some people will always try to rationalize the doings of animals.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #198 - August 09, 2011, 05:42 PM

    Nobody is rationalising the riot, you nerd.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #199 - August 09, 2011, 05:43 PM

    Just loads of Asians outside local businesses in Birmingham, hopefully they are there to protect their businesses, but i'd rather have them go home and stay out of trouble, there's also reports of trouble in West Bromwich.
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #200 - August 09, 2011, 06:13 PM

    Good article:
    http://winstonsmith33.blogspot.com/2011/08/riots-in-london-are-culmination-of.html
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #201 - August 09, 2011, 06:25 PM

    Kicking off in West Bromwich, Wolverhampton, some disturbances in Manchester, Birmingham is still tense.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #202 - August 09, 2011, 07:01 PM

    I have new movie idea inspired by this:

    The Rise of the Planet of the Chavs

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #203 - August 09, 2011, 07:27 PM

    When do you guys think this is all gonna blow over ? 2 days or am I being too optimistic ?

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #204 - August 09, 2011, 07:33 PM

    It may blow over in a day or two, but considering the immense social rot UK society seems to have, it's only natural this morlock underclass is only gonna get bigger and bigger. Canada has a similar underclass of chav-like trailer trash, immigrants and natives, but thankfully they are too spaced apart to ever cause damage like this.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #205 - August 09, 2011, 07:34 PM

    When do you guys think this is all gonna blow over ? 2 days or am I being too optimistic ?


    I bloody well hope so too ChinaD cause this is getting boring now, it's bad enough shops close at 6-9 on a normal day we don't need these rioters making it worse by getting the shops shutting down at fucking 4. Bloody hell I need to go shopping soon..
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #206 - August 09, 2011, 07:38 PM

    The name of the thread should change from London Riots to UK Riots...


    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #207 - August 09, 2011, 07:49 PM

    Full scale riot going on in the centre of Manchester, disturbances in Salford too.

    Violence in Birmingham city centre going on.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #208 - August 09, 2011, 07:51 PM

    Yep watching Sky news  finmad

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Re: Riots in London
     Reply #209 - August 09, 2011, 07:55 PM

    a gang war nearly happened in aston according to my family, but was quickly stifled by police.

    lots of riot police on prince regent's lane near plaistow though, looks like it's spreading eastwards too in london.
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