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  • What do we have in common?
     OP - August 17, 2011, 05:42 AM

    I've noticed that on this forum, people just "click" really well. There's something about being an ex-Muslim that binds us all together (or at least many of us). This is the ONLY forum that I didn't get bored of after two days of using, and whether I'm talking to Arab or non-Arab ex-Muslims, I do feel some kind of connection.

    This is what I don't understand. Ostensibly, we share nothing in common. We come from all sorts of different cultures and speak all sorts of different languages. What makes us get along so well? Is it because we're "freethinkers"? I get along really well with other atheists/irreligionists, but not as well as with the people here. I think there's something deeper.

    Is it our common struggle? Something to do with having lived the same experience, and understanding all the pain others in our situation have felt?

    You've seen some of the newbie intro threads. Some of them just burst with euphoria at having found this forum. There's definitely something that connects us, but I can't figure out what it is.

    Is it something positive, or merely the rejection of something negative -- Islam? Is it embedded only in the past, or is it something in our personality now that causes to feel this way?

    Consider secular Jews. Many are atheists. Yet many feel a very strong relation to their heritage/community/culture, even as they criticize the conduct of Jews/Israel.

    Are we/can we be something like that? Should we identify as something positive, such as Cultural Muslims? If so, on what basis would that identification rest?

    Are many of you interested in Islamic history/heritage? In the brighter aspects of the Islamic Golden Age?

    Or do you feel that you just want to stay as far away as possible from Islam and everything to do with Islam, its history and community, and basically start a new life as an independent freethinker?

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #1 - August 17, 2011, 07:16 AM

    What about those of us who aren't ex-muslims?  Cry

  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #2 - August 17, 2011, 07:18 AM

    I believe you are an ex-Muslim at heart Smiley

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #3 - August 17, 2011, 05:25 PM

    It's because of Islam's invasive nature. As Muslims love to claim, Islam is not just a religion; it's a way of life. It influences and controls every aspect of your life, down to the very last mundane everyday detail. Leaving Islam is not liking leaving any other religion. When you leave Islam, it's not just your religion or religious beliefs that change. YOU change. Everything about you changes, everything in your world changes. And those changes take time, too, because of old habits or fears that have been ingrained in us for so long. Leaving Islam really does require a support group.

    Thankfully, CEMB is an awesome support group Smiley

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #4 - August 17, 2011, 05:38 PM

    But even when we aren't talking about Islam/religion, we get on very well.

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #5 - August 17, 2011, 05:42 PM

    We were all spiritually molested by a dirty bedouin.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #6 - August 17, 2011, 05:54 PM

    he wasnt a bedouin...-_-

    but yea
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #7 - August 17, 2011, 08:40 PM

    It's because of Islam's invasive nature. As Muslims love to claim, Islam is not just a religion; it's a way of life. It influences and controls every aspect of your life, down to the very last mundane everyday detail. Leaving Islam is not liking leaving any other religion. When you leave Islam, it's not just your religion or religious beliefs that change. YOU change. Everything about you changes, everything in your world changes. And those changes take time, too, because of old habits or fears that have been ingrained in us for so long. Leaving Islam really does require a support group.

    Thankfully, CEMB is an awesome support group Smiley


    +1, great way to put it.

    The whole process of going from being a muslim to an ex-muslim is a struggle. This shared experience is really the most powerful source of our bond.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #8 - August 17, 2011, 08:50 PM

    I think people here are generally more friendly than other places around the net, there's more respect for one another here, generally more intelligent too.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #9 - August 17, 2011, 08:59 PM

    I've noticed that on this forum, people just "click" really well. There's something about being an ex-Muslim that binds us all together (or at least many of us). This is the ONLY forum that I didn't get bored of after two days of using, and whether I'm talking to Arab or non-Arab ex-Muslims, I do feel some kind of connection.

    This is what I don't understand. Ostensibly, we share nothing in common. We come from all sorts of different cultures and speak all sorts of different languages. What makes us get along so well? Is it because we're "freethinkers"? I get along really well with other atheists/irreligionists, but not as well as with the people here. I think there's something deeper.

    Is it our common struggle? Something to do with having lived the same experience, and understanding all the pain others in our situation have felt?

    You've seen some of the newbie intro threads. Some of them just burst with euphoria at having found this forum. There's definitely something that connects us, but I can't figure out what it is.

    Is it something positive, or merely the rejection of something negative -- Islam? Is it embedded only in the past, or is it something in our personality now that causes to feel this way?

    Consider secular Jews. Many are atheists. Yet many feel a very strong relation to their heritage/community/culture, even as they criticize the conduct of Jews/Israel.

    Are we/can we be something like that? Should we identify as something positive, such as Cultural Muslims? If so, on what basis would that identification rest?

    Are many of you interested in Islamic history/heritage? In the brighter aspects of the Islamic Golden Age?

    Or do you feel that you just want to stay as far away as possible from Islam and everything to do with Islam, its history and community, and basically start a new life as an independent freethinker?


    Good post, Harkaat. I think all the points you mention. I also feel a special connection to people here. I visited Arab Atheists, ladeenyon.net and of course FFI and never felt a connection. I think this place differs from any other place. Perhaps first and foremost the people here really are genuine ex-Muslims - and there's no other place where you can find so many ex-Muslims. And Ex-Muslims have a unique experience and are so isolated elsewhere. (Plus the never-been-Muslims here are a great bunch and on the same wavelength) Plus there are some very intelligent, funny, and just basically very 'human' people here. Yeah that's the word I'm looking for: "Human". Sure we have shared experiences with Islam (or other religions) but it's more than even that. The people here are just so "Human" Smiley
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #10 - August 17, 2011, 09:09 PM

    It's because of Islam's invasive nature. As Muslims love to claim, Islam is not just a religion; it's a way of life. It influences and controls every aspect of your life, down to the very last mundane everyday detail. Leaving Islam is not liking leaving any other religion. When you leave Islam, it's not just your religion or religious beliefs that change. YOU change. Everything about you changes, everything in your world changes. And those changes take time, too, because of old habits or fears that have been ingrained in us for so long. Leaving Islam really does require a support group.

    Thankfully, CEMB is an awesome support group Smiley


    and this^
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #11 - August 17, 2011, 09:09 PM

    We were all spiritually molested by a dirty bedouin.


    lol and this ^
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #12 - August 17, 2011, 09:30 PM

    I think people here are generally more friendly than other places around the net, there's more respect for one another here, generally more intelligent too.


    Now now dustie, lets not get ahead of ourselves here.  Grin

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #13 - August 17, 2011, 09:55 PM

    We have the same mom.

    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #14 - August 17, 2011, 10:29 PM

    I think people here are generally more friendly than other places around the net, there's more respect for one another here, generally more intelligent too.


    I think the post below disproves your opinion...

    We were all spiritually molested by a dirty bedouin.


    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #15 - August 17, 2011, 10:38 PM

    Because it was god's will  Cheesy
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #16 - August 17, 2011, 11:19 PM

    Should we identify as something positive, such as Cultural Muslims? If so, on what basis would that identification rest?

    Are many of you interested in Islamic history/heritage? In the brighter aspects of the Islamic Golden Age?

    Or do you feel that you just want to stay as far away as possible from Islam and everything to do with Islam, its history and community, and basically start a new life as an independent freethinker?

    Regarding the label "ex-Muslim", I think it is important that there exists a group in the world that calls themselves ex-Muslims and proudly so.  This is to defend the right to leave Islam -- which is the primary focus of the CEMB and I support it wholeheartedly. Afro

    Aside from that, I think the label "Cultural Muslim" is an interesting label too.  IsLame used to mention it sometimes. (and where the hell is that guy??)  The reason I think "Cultural Muslim" is an interesting label is that it implies (albeit in a very subtle way) that you treat Islam as just a culture and not a faith (which is honest).  Frankly, Islam is largely a culture to most people anyway.   On the other hand, there is the argument that there is a lot in Islamic culture which is indeed our problem with Islam.  So calling yourself a Cultural Muslim is not really taking a stand against those aspects of Islam.  Furthermore, as you know, a word like "Muslim" is a loaded term, so it is perhaps counter-productive to use it at all -- particularly if you want to take a stand and campaign against many aspects of Islam.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #17 - August 18, 2011, 01:53 AM

    Interesting points ateapotist.

    I personally never considered myself an ex-muslim for the past 5 years since my apostasy, even though its probably a pretty natural label. I always just called my views Atheism. It's only recently since I've discovered this site and chosen to make myself a part of this wonderful community that I've even identified with the term Ex-Muslim and its mainly due to our set of shared experience, not necessarily having anything to do with any particular set of ideas common to us. In fact my overall views on metaphysical topics have changed relatively little since I've joined.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #18 - August 18, 2011, 02:34 AM

    @ OP

    It's because of many points you mentioned. It's also because we're  a secret minority. Yes there are exceptions of brave people coming out, but most of us decide not to do that in public. Also I think most of the people here are interested in Islam despite not believing it any more. So we have a lot in common. And also what uncle Hassan said.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #19 - August 18, 2011, 05:14 AM

    Why are we getting along? Because we're all gathered around the proverbial water cooler bitching about the collegue we all hate. This always binds people. On this site discussion is generally based around islam and leaving islam. We're not chatting generally or getting to know each others views on other things. Leaving islam usually means you're atheist or at least open minded so in this we are the same. Religion is one of the largest areas of contention so the fact we're on a forum talking about our religious beliefs where most share the same beliefs... well, 2+2 really. However, some people leave islam for christianity, for example- I'm sure we would have a field day berating him/her!

    What I'm saying is that this forum is limited. If we talked generally, really got to know each other I'm sure we'd unclick as quick as we seem to have clicked (I mean we in the universal sense, not as in you and I!). For example, I HATE chauvinistic men. I hate men who think they're better than women just because they were born male. I bet there are many men on this site who I've chatted happily with who in another forum/discussion would be my enemy! In addition, I generally think that people who hate the things I love are insane or ignorant- this includes: cheese, wotsits, tea, coffee, smoking cigarettes, reading, reptiles, cats, etc.

     dance
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #20 - August 18, 2011, 05:45 AM

    In addition, I generally think that people who hate the things I love are insane or ignorant- this includes: cheese, wotsits, tea, coffee, smoking cigarettes, reading, reptiles, cats, etc.

     dance


    Wotsits eh? Guess we gonna have to cut our ties right there and then. We cannot be friends anymore, as much as it pains me to say this.

    I'm sorry.

    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #21 - August 18, 2011, 06:10 AM

    Well, I'm not sorry  finmad

    HOW DARE YOU disrespect my beliefs!!!
    HOW DARE YOU not agree wotsits are so super yummy!

    DAMN IT I'M GONNA KILL YOU!!!
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #22 - August 18, 2011, 06:28 AM

    DAMN IT I'M GONNA KILL YOU!!!


    And thus we see the fundamentalist reveal their true face.  no






     001_tongue

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #23 - August 18, 2011, 09:00 AM

    When I first found this site around a year ago, I was skeptical to join.

    First,because I've never had the courage to go into anti-Islamic sites and talk to real people about it. Sure I've read so many anti-Islamic  stuff on the web and I guess I was an ex-Muslim already,but I didn't interact with people who felt the way I did. I knew that anti-religion forums existed,but never knew an ex-Muslim site could exist and not be banned in the country I live in. I'm still worried that this website might be banned here anytime.

    The second reason was that I've never really known atheists or ex-Muslims, and I had a preconception that atheists are evil somehow. This is because of Islam of course. Muslims make atheists look like monsters who are conspiring against God and want to spread hatred for no reason. If I told my mom that I'm friends with atheists,she might faint lol.When I joined, I realized that they're normal and such wonderful people. There were exceptions of course,and I had my reasons for disliking some people. 

    The third reason was that I never joined a forum and stayed interested in it for that long. I joined depression forums when I needed immediate support,but didn't feel like logging in so much. Here it's different. Whenever I felt trapped and suffocated by Islam, I would come here and sometimes chat with people.

    What I'm saying is that this forum is limited. If we talked generally, really got to know each other I'm sure we'd unclick as quick as we seem to have clicked (I mean we in the universal sense, not as in you and I!).


    I have a different experience with this. I chatted with people about lots of things unrelated to Islam and we got to know each other. Sometimes I laughed so hard,and sometimes I felt overwhelmed by 20 people chatting at the same time. The point is that we were chatting like normal people and we weren't talking about religion all the time. For example, people here like to talk about sex A LOT,that's for sure lol I hate everything related to sex,but I didn't feel that I unclicked with the people here because of it. There were some who got on my nerves as I said,and that's a normal thing.

    I don't participate that much and I sometimes wish I would be more involved here,but I guess being anti-social stays the same even on the web. I know many people here and read many of their posts without interacting with them,but somehow I feel like I already know them.

  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #24 - August 22, 2011, 09:48 PM

    Why are we getting along? Because we're all gathered around the proverbial water cooler bitching about the collegue we all hate. This always binds people. On this site discussion is generally based around islam and leaving islam.

    I always thought we were more united in our collective sexual repression than anything else... :S
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #25 - August 22, 2011, 10:16 PM

    Why are we getting along? Because we're all gathered around the proverbial water cooler bitching about the collegue we all hate. This always binds people. On this site discussion is generally based around islam and leaving islam. We're not chatting generally or getting to know each others views on other things. Leaving islam usually means you're atheist or at least open minded so in this we are the same. Religion is one of the largest areas of contention so the fact we're on a forum talking about our religious beliefs where most share the same beliefs... well, 2+2 really. However, some people leave islam for christianity, for example- I'm sure we would have a field day berating him/her!

    What I'm saying is that this forum is limited. If we talked generally, really got to know each other I'm sure we'd unclick as quick as we seem to have clicked (I mean we in the universal sense, not as in you and I!). For example, I HATE chauvinistic men. I hate men who think they're better than women just because they were born male. I bet there are many men on this site who I've chatted happily with who in another forum/discussion would be my enemy! In addition, I generally think that people who hate the things I love are insane or ignorant- this includes: cheese, wotsits, tea, coffee, smoking cigarettes, reading, reptiles, cats, etc.

     dance


    Really good post.

    Ask any longtime member here. Once you stray past the topic of Islam.. you'll realize we actually don't really get along well at all. I have personal experience of this. Tongue

    We might have left Islam, but that doesn't mean we all have similar personalities, political views, aesthetic tastes or outlook on life. In fact we have very little in common.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #26 - August 22, 2011, 10:18 PM

    It's the ummah feeling amongst ex-Muslims.
    We are the ummatul shayateen. Smiley

    I shouldn't be here. Really. Shaytan SWT deluded ALL of us. Amen.
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #27 - August 22, 2011, 10:29 PM

    Why are we getting along? Because we're all gathered around the proverbial water cooler bitching about the collegue we all hate. This always binds people. On this site discussion is generally based around islam and leaving islam. We're not chatting generally or getting to know each others views on other things.


    nah, take a good look around the site, religion is not the only thing discussed - it just forms a part of the total discussions. more often it's either politics, philosophy, morality, current issues or general chit chat. especially with the more long term members - most of these can barely be bothered to talk about religion anymore. but don't worry, we have our fair share of eDrama from time to time....in fact we are probably due for an episode v.soon  Smiley

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #28 - August 22, 2011, 10:30 PM

    harakaat ... it is unique, isnt it?   yes

    when one gets to the heart of each person's personal journey
    and struggles, we can identify with them, and there is a
    connection on some level to each one's journey out of islam.

    Sincerity is also a high point on CEMB.  

    And i get swallowed up in chat sometimes too LOL, I just log off
    and go watch some educational program on the tube lol.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: What do we have in common?
     Reply #29 - August 22, 2011, 10:31 PM

    what do we have in common? im sure this was said before but wth

    we're all horny most of the time lol
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