The poverty of the new atheism by Scott Stephens

Re: The poverty of the new atheism by Scott Stephens

Reply #60 - September 01, 2011, 06:38 PM

Quote from: harakaat on September 01, 2011, 06:20 PM

So what questions does "atheism" ask, then?

would you ask someone where is the proof for love, sure there are tokens of love that are exchanged (buying gifts) but that int-itself is not love. Just because two people live and are happy together does not mean they are necessarily in love. Asking for 'proof' of love is absurd riligoen works in the same way so if you want to challenge riligoen you will have to go to the deep obscure and frighting waters you cant just sunbathe out on the beneath with the new atheists and pretend to know wtf riligoen is all about. The new atheist may get rid of the practices and rituals and religious names but riligoen wont be gone it would manifest itself in other thing hence we are required to go ver deep (so this is not a job for scientist or the likes of dennet who are after $$) we need to replow the old seeds, we might go starving for a while (nihlishm) but maybe next time we will have a healthy harvest

"A belief in hell and the knowledge that every ambition is doomed to frustration at the hands of a skeleton have never prevented the majority of human beings from behaving as though death were no more than an unfounded rumour."
Aldous Huxley

Re: The poverty of the new atheism by Scott Stephens

Reply #62 - September 01, 2011, 06:47 PM

'New atheism' is the Dajjal.

An alternative to religion;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNW-NXEudk

Re: The poverty of the new atheism by Scott Stephens

Reply #64 - September 01, 2011, 07:38 PM

I don't think "where is the proof" is not a logical question. However I would agree with lucem's last post. You need a good philosopher who have good knowledge of theology and the arguments put forward by intellectual theists that will damage religion. Some philoscifical arguments are ilogical when u put them in the Context of science one would be the Kalamazoo which fails when you see it through the context of cosmology .

How ever I think we need few Humes and Russelse if you want to make a big whole in religion. Tbh honest people like hitchens and Dawkins can't touch wlc's arugement. Just look at hitchens debate with him.

Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. [carl sagan]

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Reply #66 - September 01, 2011, 07:57 PM

Philosophy is dead!

Little Fly, Thy summer's play
My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

I too dance and drink, and sing,
Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

Therefore I am a happy fly,
If I live or if I die.

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Reply #68 - September 01, 2011, 08:19 PM

Gladlfy it was nice knowing you man. Your abot to enter in a debate with some of the philosophical atheists here.

Good luck =3

Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. [carl sagan]

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Reply #70 - September 01, 2011, 08:22 PM

Lol dead thing dont scare me Wink

Little Fly, Thy summer's play
My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

I too dance and drink, and sing,
Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

Therefore I am a happy fly,
If I live or if I die.

Re: The poverty of the new atheism by Scott Stephens

Reply #72 - September 01, 2011, 08:25 PM

Quote from: Gladfly on September 01, 2011, 07:57 PM

Philosophy is dead!

That’s what they said about Punk…

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Reply #74 - September 01, 2011, 09:26 PM

Quote from: Lucem Ferre on September 01, 2011, 06:38 PM

Asking for 'proof' of love is absurd riligoen works in the same way so if you want to challenge riligoen you will have to go to the deep obscure and frighting waters you cant just sunbathe out on the beneath with the new atheists and pretend to know wtf riligoen is all about.

Do you need a PhD in philosophy to be allowed to argue against creationism or ridiculous so-called miracles in the Qur'an?

"Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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Re: The poverty of the new atheism by Scott Stephens

Reply #76 - September 01, 2011, 09:48 PM

Yes. And its Gladfly! Wink

Little Fly, Thy summer's play
My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

I too dance and drink, and sing,
Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

Therefore I am a happy fly,
If I live or if I die.

Re: The poverty of the new atheism by Scott Stephens

Reply #78 - September 01, 2011, 10:23 PM

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on September 01, 2011, 09:27 PM

So has anyone said anything worth saying yet?

We have a new spelling for 'religion'. That is not to be sniffed at.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM

God is Love.
Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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Reply #80 - September 01, 2011, 10:30 PM

Quote from: Gladfly on September 01, 2011, 07:57 PM

Philosophy is dead!

well depends on what philosophy is
each philosopher would give you a different answer as to what philosophy does or is

Hegel in his dialectics said that history has come to its end (for Hegal the world existed only in his head parrot

)
Heidegger said philosophy has come to its end

for Wittgenstein philosophy was the study of language
[Philosophical problems] are, of course, not empirical problems; but they are solved through an insight into the workings of our language, and that in such a way that these workings are recognized -- despite an urge to misunderstand them. The problems are solved, not through the contribution of new knowledge, rather through the arrangement of things long familiar. Philosophy is a struggle against the bewitchment (Verhexung) of our understanding by the resources of our language. [Ludwig Wittgenstein, "Philosophical Investigations," 1953]

the etymology is the old Greek words "filo"+"sophia" which is "love of wisdom".

i like to think of philosophy as thinking made wonderful
i like the Plato dialogues (Socratic debate) , so simple with no complicated system or jargon yet there is so much to be found in it
but most philosophers are a pain in the ass, i cant stand reading philosophy its a headache

btw philosophy of science is stil on the rise

"A belief in hell and the knowledge that every ambition is doomed to frustration at the hands of a skeleton have never prevented the majority of human beings from behaving as though death were no more than an unfounded rumour."
Aldous Huxley

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Reply #82 - September 01, 2011, 10:34 PM

Yes i have wasted years on this love of wisdom!

Philosophy promised me so much and gave me so so little in return!

What a waste of time it was!

Little Fly, Thy summer's play
My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

I too dance and drink, and sing,
Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

Therefore I am a happy fly,
If I live or if I die.

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Reply #84 - September 01, 2011, 10:38 PM

Gladfly what a capitalist mentality , philosophy fine tunes and amplifies your ability to reason that is what it gives us and it for this reason that some philosophers bashed philosophy saying that reason is the problem in the first place that - led us to this shitty world.

Gladfly you view knowledge as a commodity as a means, the great philosophers (Kant) said that knowledge was a thing-in itself that philosophizing itself was the great reward . Also you prove post-modernism as correct, you want knowledge to be exchanged for something in return.

Wikipedia Leotards Meta-Narrative he was one of the firs post modernists

"A belief in hell and the knowledge that every ambition is doomed to frustration at the hands of a skeleton have never prevented the majority of human beings from behaving as though death were no more than an unfounded rumour."
Aldous Huxley

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Reply #86 - September 01, 2011, 10:44 PM

harakaat the question the (true) atheist (the question only applies to those who are true atheists, present day nihilist)

God is dead, man is a animal and his rationality is not to be prized, mortality , metaphysical systems all gone

The great question is :

what now?

but first we have to complete the job and get rid of capitalism and again find our 'selves' and our 'language' our species being then we can all sit round the camp fire and decide what to do

"A belief in hell and the knowledge that every ambition is doomed to frustration at the hands of a skeleton have never prevented the majority of human beings from behaving as though death were no more than an unfounded rumour."
Aldous Huxley

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Reply #88 - September 01, 2011, 10:46 PM

Also, has anyone linked this yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

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