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  • Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     OP - September 08, 2011, 03:24 PM

    Its old but I havent seen it on this forum and there are so few of these kinda interviews out there..

    http://islamwatch2010.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/norway-pakistani-girls-lead-double-life/
    http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=593984
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    Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life

    Norwegian-Pakistani parents are afraid their daughter will smoke, drink or have sex.  But the girl say they just want breathing space.

    Today is 100 years since International Women’s Day was celebrated for the first time.  Though some Norwegian girls and women feel equal in 2010, the circumstances are completely different for many minority women.

    VG Nett met Norwegian-Pakistani women who have a different story to tell.

    We meet ‘Amna’ together with two Norwegian-Pakistani girls in a secluded cafe in Oslo.  They chatter and smoke, but keep the cigarette under the table every time they suspect a foreign girl or boy is passing.  They don’t want to be recognized, since what they’re doing is improper and ‘prohibited’.  ‘Sara’ says she feels like a product.

    “From [the time] we are small and until marriageable age, we are like a product to be sold.  Marketing is very important.  When people are out to find a potential spouse, they need good references to get good candidates.  Therefore my parents don’t want me to go out and have much of a social life,” she says.

    A foreign couple stroll by.  The cigarettes are hidden once again under the table.

    “I don’t want anybody to see me smoking, because it’s taboo.  It’s not nice for girls to smoke, they get labeled.  They are called bad girls.  I don’t want my parents to know that. Then I don’t know what they’ll do,’ says ‘Amna’.

    ‘Huma’ says that she wants to move out on her own, but that probably will remain a dream.  She was told that it’s not relevant, because her father thinks people will gossip.  Why would a girl live alone?

    “People always think negatively, they think that people want to move out to have sex or drink alcohol.  They don’t think that girls need breathing space in this culture.  As long as it’s bad in other people’ eyes, I can’t be permitted to do it,” says ‘Huma’.

    The girls talk a lot about marriage.  They explain this saying that they’re of marriageable age, therefore it’s not a topic to avoid.  They must get married within their own caste, and a marriage with a non-Pakistani isn’t a topic to discuss.

    “Modest girls are good.  There are rumors all the time, especially about girl.  If one is stigmatizes, he’s marked for life, and won’t get ahead in the community,” add ‘Huma’.

    At times ‘Amna’ gets nervous because her parents constantly point out the time is starting to run out for her. She must get married as quickly as possible.

    People are asking questions on why ‘Amna’ isn’t getting married.  Can’t she have children?  Is there nobody who will ask for her hand?

    “I am so tired of gossip.  I choose not to have contact with other Pakistanis, because they’re so good at gossiping.  I choose to distance myself and be anonymous.  I don’t want them to know who I am,” says ‘Amna’ with disappointment.

    “Yes, it’s not cricket which is our favorite sport.  It’s gossiping,” ‘Sara’ adds.

    “When you come home, you must hide who you are.  You must live up to your parent’s expectations and demands.  I need to change into traditional clothing.  They want me to be a traditional girl who prepares food, takes care of her parents and is married as quickly as possible.  I feel strong mental pressure,” she continues.

    The friends, who like traveling, went on a trip to London last year, but they couldn’t tell their parents.  Regular trips, like the ones most other young adults go on, must be planned carefully.  First they need to find a reason for a trip.  They told their parents that they went with a seminal group at their university – to another city in Norway.

    “The easiest is of course work or school.  Additionally you must have an alibi, and other accomplices like, for example, little siblings.  They must be several who can save you if it goes wrong,” says ‘Huma’.

    You also need to call home every day so that the parents don’t call the girl.  ‘Sara’ says that she was of course afraid of being discovered during the trip, but it was worth to take the risk. They would never have gotten permission to go if they had told the truth, because it’s not accepted in their culture for girls to go on trips alone.

    “The parents think it’s ok if we go on a trip with the school or for a seminar at work.  Then the trip has professional content, but they don’t understand that people need a break or time together with friends.  It’s not accreted, because we’re girls and must behave in a certain way,” says ‘Sara’.

    The girls say they don’t do anything special in these secret vacations.  they’re simply out to have a good time with friends.

    “We do normal things, like eating good food, shopping and looking around a bit.  There’s some partying too.  We can choose what clothing we go with, but all this is abnormal for our parents.  I was honest a few years ago and asked my dad if I could go on a trip with girlfriends, but he flatly said ‘no’.  After that I thought there’s no point in being honest,’ says 25 year old ‘Huma’.

    Sociologist Anja Bredal of the Institute for Social Researcher is aware of the problem of living a double life among minority girls through her research.

    “A double-life can be problematic in the long run.  I’ve seen several examples where such strategies are risky.  At one point or another, the parents discover it, and it can be dramatic,” Bredal told VG Nett.

    The Norwegian-Pakistani girls feel they lead a double life.

    “We have been to so many so-called seminars, work-trip and school-trips that we should have been rocket scientists by now,” laughs ‘Amna’.

    She explains that the only way for her to escape is to get married or study abroad, but she doesn’t want to get married just yet.   That isn’t met with understanding.

    “First, it’s difficult enough to find a man that I’ll love, and in addition he should be from the same caste.  What type of requirement is it that our parents make of us.  It’s inhumane.  And the thought of me marrying a Norwegian, I can just forget, it’s unheard of,” says ‘Huma’.

    She thinks there’s something wrong with the culture she belongs to.

    “The sickness of this culture is that other parents also have problems with their children, but in order to save their own skin, they speak about the children of others. Why can’t people stop meddling about what everybody else is doing and saying all the time,” she asks and shakes her head.

    ‘Amna’ says that she has considered what she would do for quite a while. She found a way out to avoid everything.

    “I will be a stewardess.  I love to travel so it suits me perfectly.  I’d be far away.  I will experience life and be an independent woman.  I won’t let my parents stop me this time.  I can’t deal with the thought that I’m 27 years old and won’t get the opportunity to develop myself,” says ‘Amna’.

    The interview is over,  they pay for their coffee and put the cigarette packs at the bottom of their bags. They must get the bus. Their parents don’t know they sit in the cafe.  They think their girls are at school or work.



  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #1 - September 08, 2011, 03:52 PM

    +1 for the article  Afro. This is in Norway, but from my own experience I know that Hindu girls from India or even Surinam experience much the same problems, even in the Netherlands. These girls learn to become very cunning liars!

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #2 - September 08, 2011, 05:41 PM

    These immigrant parents can be so clueless. Don't they realise their unreasonable rules are creating a generation of women very proficient and lying and deception? Is that what they want their kids to be? Or are they burying their heads in the sand like most of our parents. Clueless.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #3 - September 08, 2011, 05:54 PM

    The worst part is that Pakistani (and I'm assuming other desi) parents much prefer you to lie to their faces than tell them the truth. My mother has literally told me that 'everyone has a girlfriend, everyone smokes and drinks but atleast everyone hides it, why can't you do that?' and it was a serious request. She's such a slave to her reputation.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #4 - September 08, 2011, 07:25 PM

    Wow, I had such a similar situation with my mom just this last week. She was basically admiring another young guy in the bengali community for pretty much dating a white girl for 3 years and then dumping her and getting a new Bangladeshi wife in a week. Thing is, as of late I'm open about my girlfriend and it makes my parents very uncomfortable. She just wishes I'd hide her from them, lie about who I live with, have my fun with her and then marry a 'nice bangali girl'. My mom is basically saying why I can't be more of a liar and a cheat! Wtf!?

    This is a common theme in my family with my other sister too. She parties a lot and is quite overt about her dress and lifestyle.. and she complains to my mom that "other desi girls do it too". My mom's typical reply is "yeah, but at least they cover it up and don't let their parents know, you know.. so at least their parents aren't shamed".

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #5 - September 08, 2011, 07:44 PM

    Yup, big problem even for those of us who aren't muslim... I learned to lead a double life from a fairly young age. I feel so sorry for them because I know exactly what it feels like, but at least I was stuck in crap places like Kuwait and India. It must be even more frustrating to live in a secular and liberal country and being denied the simple pleasures of youth that most people take for granted :(

  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #6 - September 08, 2011, 09:09 PM

    'nice bangali girl'


    Cheesy

    I can imagine a old woman eating paan saying that.

    But yeah, since coming out with apostasy to my parents they still expect me to drink in 'secret' incase a desi fool sees me.

    She's such a slave to her reputation.

     

    So true, most desi parents are... it's a vicious cycle in the culture, maybe it'll be bred out with the upcoming generations, who knows.


    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #7 - September 08, 2011, 09:18 PM

    This is sad and unfortunate.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #8 - September 08, 2011, 09:27 PM

    I can imagine a old woman eating paan saying that.


     Cheesy

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #9 - September 09, 2011, 01:48 AM

    Wow, I had such a similar situation with my mom just this last week. She was basically admiring another young guy in the bengali community for pretty much dating a white girl for 3 years and then dumping her and getting a new Bangladeshi wife in a week. Thing is, as of late I'm open about my girlfriend and it makes my parents very uncomfortable. She just wishes I'd hide her from them, lie about who I live with, have my fun with her and then marry a 'nice bangali girl'. My mom is basically saying why I can't be more of a liar and a cheat! Wtf!?

    This is a common theme in my family with my other sister too. She parties a lot and is quite overt about her dress and lifestyle.. and she complains to my mom that "other desi girls do it too". My mom's typical reply is "yeah, but at least they cover it up and don't let their parents know, you know.. so at least their parents aren't shamed".


    Great post- is this so common? My mum said the same thing a long time ago! I hated the lies, I couldn't cope. Leading a double life almost lead me to having a nervous breakdown, in addition to the trauma of experiencing the folly of youth alone. Without a parent to confide to and to guide me I was basically alone to fuck up. At 20 I got my first bf (never even kissed a boy before) who was a total useless jerk- he used my money, treated me like shit, physically abused me- but I stayed with him 2 yrs cos of having no guidance and my confidence crushed by the bastard. Even when I was clearly depressed my mum turned a blind eye to it, preferring to ignore that face the nasty truth and deal with things.

    This goes for alcohol to- you know the kids'll try it so shouldn't you as a parent guide them so they don't get too fucked up- met many alcoholic muslims and in clubs it's almost always the case that the muslims go the most OTT with alcohol (and sex) cos they have no guidance.

  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #10 - September 09, 2011, 04:10 PM

    Great post- is this so common? My mum said the same thing a long time ago! I hated the lies, I couldn't cope. Leading a double life almost lead me to having a nervous breakdown, in addition to the trauma of experiencing the folly of youth alone. Without a parent to confide to and to guide me I was basically alone to fuck up. At 20 I got my first bf (never even kissed a boy before) who was a total useless jerk- he used my money, treated me like shit, physically abused me- but I stayed with him 2 yrs cos of having no guidance and my confidence crushed by the bastard. Even when I was clearly depressed my mum turned a blind eye to it, preferring to ignore that face the nasty truth and deal with things.


    Desi culture is poison. I have such a hatred for the lies and decietful nature of the whole affair, I almost sicken myself.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #11 - September 09, 2011, 05:10 PM

    The curse of the desi mother-in-law, on the other hand, must surely be a daunting thing for anyone marrying into a desi family.

    Vignettes from my life just pre- and post-marriage, take 1:

    "She will convert, right?"

    Take 2:

    "OK, so she won't convert, but you will have a Muslim ceremony, right?"

    Take 3:

    "OK, no Muslim ceremony, but you will have a reception here which will be blessed by our local Sheikh and bears a suspicious resemblance to a marriage cermony but without the dressing up and gae holud and and.., right?"

    .. some time passes. The answer is still no.

    Take 4:

    "Why doesn't she eat the huge platefuls of food I force on her each time she shows up with you? Also, why won't she wear all this random jewelry or use the random gifts we give her at each opportunity?"

    Take 5:

    "Why doesn't she come and visit us on her own? She is family now, after all."

    Take 6:

    "Why won't you introduce her into this desi community that neither you nor she have any interest in? We're trying to marry your sister off, you know, and she can't get married without your marriage being vouched for by people she won't want to meet who will gossip about her on the strength of fuck all."

    Take 7:

    "Why don't my best wounded looks work on you anymore? I carried you in my stomach for nine months and loved you plenty as a child and and and... you owe me what is left of my standing, you ungrateful shit."


    Words to that effect, anyway.
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #12 - September 09, 2011, 05:22 PM

    Toor, for some reason I read that in Maureen Lipman's voice.
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #13 - September 09, 2011, 05:27 PM

    The curse of the desi mother-in-law, on the other hand, must surely be a daunting thing for anyone marrying into a desi family.

    Vignettes from my life just pre- and post-marriage, take 1:

    "She will convert, right?"

    Take 2:

    "OK, so she won't convert, but you will have a Muslim ceremony, right?"

    Take 3:

    "OK, no Muslim ceremony, but you will have a reception here which will be blessed by our local Sheikh and bears a suspicious resemblance to a marriage cermony but without the dressing up and gae holud and and.., right?"

    .. some time passes. The answer is still no.

    Take 4:

    "Why doesn't she eat the huge platefuls of food I force on her each time she shows up with you? Also, why won't she wear all this random jewelry or use the random gifts we give her at each opportunity?"

    Take 5:

    "Why doesn't she come and visit us on her own? She is family now, after all."

    Take 6:

    "Why won't you introduce her into this desi community that neither you nor she have any interest in? We're trying to marry your sister off, you know, and she can't get married without your marriage being vouched for by people she won't want to meet who will gossip about her on the strength of fuck all."

    Take 7:

    "Why don't my best wounded looks work on you anymore? I carried you in my stomach for nine months and loved you plenty as a child and and and... you owe me what is left of my standing, you ungrateful shit."


    Words to that effect, anyway.



     Cheesy

    It's all true.  wacko

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #14 - September 09, 2011, 05:32 PM

    Well, these girls must be extremely timid and meek, and the paranoid attitude of the family is pretty indicative of ethnic families from lower socioeconomic background. Frankly, I've never seen upper-middle class Pakistani girls be stuck at home doing the cooking unable to move out ect, some Pakistani girls from poorer background opt for university, the parents in these cases are mostly uneducated, and the girl uses her pseudo-academic background to swindle some freedom out of the family, and these are the girls you end up hearing about in the news, being beheaded, honor killed, or sent off to Pakistan for a forced-marriage. I.e. uni paki slags, using the university ticket to get freedom, after they leave university with a shitty degree, 3 years later that degree becomes null and void like their slaggish life, these are the bitches which will call you things like: "you evil shit", "you coconut", "gora", "traitor" etc, etc.
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #15 - September 09, 2011, 05:47 PM

     Huh?

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #16 - September 09, 2011, 06:17 PM

    Well, these girls must be extremely timid and meek, and the paranoid attitude of the family is pretty indicative of ethnic families from lower socioeconomic background. Frankly, I've never seen upper-middle class Pakistani girls be stuck at home doing the cooking unable to move out ect, some Pakistani girls from poorer background opt for university, the parents in these cases are mostly uneducated, and the girl uses her pseudo-academic background to swindle some freedom out of the family, and these are the girls you end up hearing about in the news, being beheaded, honor killed, or sent off to Pakistan for a forced-marriage. I.e. uni paki slags, using the university ticket to get freedom, after they leave university with a shitty degree, 3 years later that degree becomes null and void like their slaggish life, these are the bitches which will call you things like: "you evil shit", "you coconut", "gora", "traitor" etc, etc.


    Hm, that's me- I left home for uni, had freedom- wasn't a slag though, never shagged every man.  I'm neither timid nor weak- that's as foolish as saying all hijaabi's are timid when the opposite is true, many are in fact violently aggressive about their rights to be oppressed! My family aren't of a lower socioeconomic background but my mum did expect that I should be able to cook (although it wasn't my job to do it, she did it) and she fought against me about moving out even when I passed 25, 26 and finally 27. My mum is educated and fairly liberal yet she still felt it's unacceptable for a muslim woman to live alone unless she's gone away to uni (get out of jail card literally!).
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #17 - September 09, 2011, 06:38 PM

    Hm, that's me- I left home for uni, had freedom- wasn't a slag though, never shagged every man.  I'm neither timid nor weak- that's as foolish as saying all hijaabi's are timid when the opposite is true, many are in fact violently aggressive about their rights to be oppressed! My family aren't of a lower socioeconomic background but my mum did expect that I should be able to cook (although it wasn't my job to do it, she did it) and she fought against me about moving out even when I passed 25, 26 and finally 27. My mum is educated and fairly liberal yet she still felt it's unacceptable for a muslim woman to live alone unless she's gone away to uni (get out of jail card literally!).


    Never shagged everyman? You don't have to shag the entire university to be a slag, giving blowjobs, plastering your face with makeup and having those haircuts Desi girls have eww, fake eye lashes etc, smooching every other boy, etc. Your family cooks for itself? You don't have a chief/cook? So what is going to happen once you leave university? What of your boyfriend? You just going to ditch him and head off to Pakistan to get married to some ladoo? Feel mad sorry for your boyfriend.
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #18 - September 09, 2011, 06:39 PM

      I'm neither timid nor weak- that's as foolish as saying all hijaabi's are timid when the opposite is true, many are in fact violently aggressive about their rights to be oppressed!   


    Lmao rofl



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  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #19 - September 09, 2011, 06:45 PM

    Never shagged everyman? You don't have to shag the entire university to be a slag, giving blowjobs, plastering your face with makeup and having those haircuts Desi girls have eww, fake eye lashes etc, smooching every other boy, etc. Your family cooks for itself? You don't have a chief/cook? So what is going to happen once you leave university? What of your boyfriend? You just going to ditch him and head off to Pakistan to get married to some ladoo? Feel mad sorry for your boyfriend.


    No love, I left home and live with my bf. I told my family I don't believe in islam and will never do! That I won't accept marriage to a muslim ever! They 'compromised' by saying they won't force me/pressure me, just want me to not be with any guy then! I can even live alone now (now that I've left home they're trying to compromise!)-  Cheesy Laughing but this is serious and insane!

    I never did/do any of that other stuff either. I tried false lashes one on halloween, I just couldn't put them on- took me hours then when they were on they felt so weird I kept touching them til they fell off after like 3 minutes. I so fail at being a 'girl'.

    My family cooks for itself, yes. My mum mainly did the cooking, but if she couldn't be bothered I did it or if I couldn't be bothered we just sorted ourselves out- obv not when we were kids! When my dad was alive he used to do the cooking too. However, I still think I was oppressed to cook cos whenever my bro did it my mum acted like he's done something so amazing, she was so pleased and grateful, but when I did it she was like so, you should be doing it and she'd get on my case for not doing it more!
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #20 - September 09, 2011, 06:59 PM

    Saffire, that is nice to hear. Well I think you're the only Desi girl on here I can call about different, and that is a good thing!!!  far away hug
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #21 - September 09, 2011, 07:09 PM

    Cheers big ears  Afro

    It's taken me so long to realise that it's a good thing. I'm still getting abuse from family (my crazy sis) cos I'm not 'normal' like every other desi girl! Even though we used to laugh at them and say how stupid they are. It's insane how my sis (married) has become like the typical desi woman, forcing herself into oppression by supressing her character entirely. She's so insane she wears hijaab, forces herself to believe and follow islam, prays etc- now she's been getting so ill from stress so she went away to a spa for a few days and she drank champagne cos she needed to just be!  Cheesy

    So muslim! I know so many muslim women who take their clothes off cos they're on holiday, or do 'haraam' things bacause they're on a break. The insane thing is my sis smokes weed every day too and then has the audacity to prech islam to me!


  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #22 - September 10, 2011, 10:35 AM

    Cheers big ears  Afro

    It's taken me so long to realise that it's a good thing. I'm still getting abuse from family (my crazy sis) cos I'm not 'normal' like every other desi girl! Even though we used to laugh at them and say how stupid they are. It's insane how my sis (married) has become like the typical desi woman, forcing herself into oppression by supressing her character entirely. She's so insane she wears hijaab, forces herself to believe and follow islam, prays etc- now she's been getting so ill from stress so she went away to a spa for a few days and she drank champagne cos she needed to just be!  Cheesy

    So muslim! I know so many muslim women who take their clothes off cos they're on holiday, or do 'haraam' things bacause they're on a break. The insane thing is my sis smokes weed every day too and then has the audacity to prech islam to me!



    Oh I see, she is a cultural Muslim been there done that.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Muslim
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #23 - September 10, 2011, 10:52 AM

    WTF!? She gets to be in the news for leading a double life!? I lead a double life, where's my fame!?

    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #24 - September 10, 2011, 12:09 PM

    If you want fame for your double life then it kinda defeats the purpose.

    .
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #25 - December 14, 2011, 09:25 AM

     finmad
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #26 - December 14, 2011, 12:45 PM

    Its old but I havent seen it on this forum and there are so few of these kinda interviews out there..

    http://islamwatch2010.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/norway-pakistani-girls-lead-double-life/
    http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=593984

     
    See that the world is getting better .. That is good stuff .. we got to talk about it in home with friends..

    It is true the first person.. the first generation that breaks the rules of so-called culture will undergo quite a bit of stress and strain in her/his life .. but once you have done that rest of your kids that come out of your generation will be million times better than others who are stuck in these so-called CULTURE JAIL..   look at that.. A Muslim in Norway and her parents looking for a caste based doll to get her married.. what a shame..
    Quote
    “First, it’s difficult enough to find a man that I’ll love, and in addition he should be from the same caste. What type of requirement is it that our parents make of us.  It’s inhumane.  And the thought of me marrying a Norwegian, I can just forget, it’s unheard of,” says ‘Huma’.




    Huma forget your parents.. The only thing you need to do is feed them when they are old and can not feed themselves.  They can not   even understand,   they don't even know Muhammad's Islam,   how the hell they will act like normal human beings ?? they are jail birds ..they are  in Jail.. Jail of ancestors stupid culture less culture

    Break it off girl break it off.. burn it ..make a burkha out of that cloth to your Dog  to your pet even to your man. ... stick  it even to your  Father and ..and walk on the road with your head high...

    For all that what you need is FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE.. GUTS.. and taking help from the society/Govt of a country your living in.  +++  use simple GOLDEN RULE to drive your life.. you don't need religious rubbish and you don't need your ancestors culture to keep your head high and walk with pride.  Forget this fucking emotional black mail of so called SPERM DONORS & EGG INCUBATORS. The are as good as Chicken and rooster

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #27 - December 14, 2011, 02:17 PM

    Well this discussion board is an example on this problem: double life. Islam encourages hypocrisy ( nifaq) even though its condemned and hypocrites will go to the lowest deep in hell. One of many thousands contradictions in the religion which is supposedly "perfected" (verse 5:3).

    As long these cultures (not only the Pakistani as Lara mentioned but the Arab, Kurdish, Somali etc) are obsessed with what women do with their genitals you will have these issues.

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #28 - December 29, 2011, 06:11 AM

    I can relate to this article a lot, coming from a pakistani muslim family. My parents are not entirely as strict, but no matter how much they try to be open and liberal, their core values remain the same. the gossiping, the judging, the restrictions, the handling of women... its all the same shit.



    Quod est inferius est sicut quod est superius,
    et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius,
    ad perpetranda miracula rei unius.
  • Re: Norway: Pakistani girls lead double life
     Reply #29 - December 29, 2011, 07:54 AM

    I can relate to this article a lot, coming from a pakistani muslim family. My parents are not entirely as strict, but no matter how much they try to be open and liberal, their core values remain the same. the gossiping, the judging, the restrictions, the handling of women... its all the same shit.

    Huh! what?? what you are talking about long legged girl??., I agree to disagree with you.,    well may be I agree with Gossiping.. Yes Pakistani women Gossip a lot  Tongue

    Pakistani men never Gossip., they have no time to Gossip.. Work and Pray Allah.. where is the time??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmWMzLScaeY

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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