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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #30 - September 14, 2011, 05:19 AM
    No, that's not what I said. Read properly.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #31 - September 14, 2011, 05:22 AM
    The core premise of this 'movement' (more like fringe website/troll) is that the interests of this disembodied thing called "nature" supercedes the interests of humankind. A fundamentally irrational and somewhat fanatical pseudo-religious belief.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #32 - September 14, 2011, 05:25 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 14, 2011, 05:19 AM
    No, that's not what I said. Read properly.


    Hey I misread it man, give me a break.

    Also you edited the post to make your point clearer, which is obviously cheating. I've now edited my own post to reflect a response to your actual idea, so I gues that makes me a cheater too.  Tongue
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #33 - September 14, 2011, 05:28 AM
    Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 14, 2011, 05:14 AM
    No.

    But you're asking me to feed that kitten with my babies meat.


    Nah, a more apt analogy would be to ask you not to have the baby so it wouldn't compete for meat with the hungry kitten. That would be a fundamentally altruistic action, and one exhibiting particular foresight as well.
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #34 - September 14, 2011, 05:30 AM
    Actually the more apt analogy would be that you're on a tropical island and are eating all the coconuts and taking poops everywhere... and you feel so bad for the "island" losing it's coconuts and getting pooped on that you shoot yourself in head.

    /Thread


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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #35 - September 14, 2011, 05:33 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 05:18 AM
    Ahh, missed this at first.

    I think the case for such an altruistic act such as voluntary extinction could be built on similar grounds. I.e. it is a moral imperative to consider the welfare of sentient beings on the planet who are unable to protect themselves from the side-effects of human excesses, or something along those lines.

    Hence the idea that this is a position on which morality would apply could certainly remain intact.

    But the very basis of moral evolution is survival. I mean it's one thing to argue we're part of nature and therefore need to protect it in order to protect ourselves, but entirely another (and extremely stupid and philosophically nonsensical) to argue that somehow morality applies without humans. What an anthropocentric view of the world you have there.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #36 - September 14, 2011, 05:35 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 05:28 AM
    Nah, a more apt analogy would be to ask you not to have the baby so it wouldn't compete for meat with the hungry kitten. That would be a fundamentally altruistic action, and one exhibiting particular foresight as well.

    As I just said, the need for survival is the basis of morality. If you're arguing that humans should stop surviving, that's the quintessential immoral argument. Morality is a product of evolution, you can't separate the two.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #37 - September 14, 2011, 05:37 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 14, 2011, 05:35 AM
    As I just said, the need for survival is the basis of morality.


    No
    fuck you
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #38 - September 14, 2011, 05:38 AM
    Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 14, 2011, 05:30 AM
    Actually the more apt analogy would be that you're on a tropical island and are eating all the coconuts and taking poops everywhere... and you feel so bad for the "island" losing it's coconuts and getting pooped on that you shoot yourself in head.

    /Thread


    I rock  cool2


    Dude I don't care about rocks or sand when I'm talking about saving the earth's environment. I'm fundamentally talking about a concern for living beings, probably mostly sentient organisms (although that distinction is a whole different kettle of fish).

    Regardless the type of organism is a moot point because human actions are having a deleterious effect on all sorts of different categories of organisms: sentient, non-sentient, invertebrates, mammals, whatever you care to name.
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #39 - September 14, 2011, 05:41 AM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on September 14, 2011, 05:37 AM
    No

    Yes.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #40 - September 14, 2011, 05:46 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 14, 2011, 05:35 AM
    As I just said, the need for survival is the basis of morality. If you're arguing that humans should stop surviving, that's the quintessential immoral argument. Morality is a product of evolution, you can't separate the two.


    If we're ever stranded on a desert island I'm gonna cannibalize the hell out of you, with the clear conscience that my decision would be considered moral even by the source of the delicious meal I would be enjoying at the time.
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #41 - September 14, 2011, 05:51 AM
    @Abood:

    If we hadn't naturally evolved a capacity for altruism, you wouldn't consider it to be a fundamentally moral trait?
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #42 - September 14, 2011, 05:54 AM
    Another reason I hate philosopher types. They sidetrack the hell out of threads.

    Please guy, continue to discuss your thoughts/opinions on voluntary human extinction here. No need to derive the source of the sum total of human concepts of morality if you don't want to.  Wink
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #43 - September 14, 2011, 05:57 AM
    I think you're missing my point. I didn't mean survival is the essence of morality (although it might've seemed that way, from the way I worded my sentence), what I meant is that morality evolved from the need for survival. Today morality isn't aimed at survival, but only because we're past that stage in human evolution.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #44 - September 14, 2011, 05:58 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 05:54 AM
    Another reason I hate philosopher types. They sidetrack the hell out of threads.

    Please guy, continue to discuss your thoughts/opinions on voluntary human extinction here. No need to derive the source of the sum total of human concepts of morality if you don't want to.  Wink

    Lol, what? This is a fundamentally philosophical discussion.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #45 - September 14, 2011, 05:59 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 05:51 AM
    @Abood:

    If we hadn't naturally evolved a capacity for altruism, you wouldn't consider it to be a fundamentally moral trait?

    I don't believe in altruism. I think it is one of the biggest jokes humans have invented to feel good about themselves. We're an inherently self-interested species, and if we recognized that we'd go along way in fixing the world. I mean, maybe we'll stop believing politicians will fix the world and take shit in our own hands, because we're all self-interested and the only way we can make things better for all of us is for all of us to take power, since we all ultimately speak for our own interests.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #46 - September 14, 2011, 06:00 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 14, 2011, 05:58 AM
    Lol, what? This is a fundamentally philosophical discussion.


    So says the philosopher, about absolutely everything.  Tongue
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #47 - September 14, 2011, 06:01 AM
    Well, duh.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #48 - September 14, 2011, 06:05 AM
    Well in my professional opinion as a plumber, I think its all just a matter of some leaky pipes, okay?
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #49 - September 14, 2011, 06:08 AM
    I think the fact that you have an Ayn Rand quote in your signature betrays your knowledge (or lack thereof) of the practice of philosophy.

    There's only one thing ever all philosophers can agree on, and it's that Ayn Rand is a pseudo-philosopher.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #50 - September 14, 2011, 06:17 AM
    In light of the fact that DH still exists, I retract everything I said in this thread and now support the human extinction movement.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #51 - September 14, 2011, 06:26 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 14, 2011, 06:08 AM
    I think the fact that you have an Ayn Rand quote in your signature betrays your knowledge (or lack thereof) of the practice of philosophy.

    There's only one thing ever all philosophers can agree on, and it's that Ayn Rand is a pseudo-philosopher.


    I fundamentally disagree with the vast majority of Ayn Rand's work. I only put that there to piss off Q.  Wink

    Just hadn't got around to changing it yet.
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #52 - September 14, 2011, 08:07 AM
    Hippies are retarded.

    The Earth is going to be destroyed eventually by the sun, regardless of what anyone does, and trees dont serve some cosmic objective function that makes them more important than people. Unless there is some better life form that comes along to replace us, what would be the point of getting rid of people? So that Pandas can hang around an do nothing productive till they eventually go extinct anyway?  

    Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 14, 2011, 04:49 AM
    "Damage" is relative. Earth, nature and other species don't have the consciousness to understand damage, because it's not a singular entity with intents or purposes. We only call it 'damage' because it affects us. I don't get this concept of 'protecting' nature for the sake of protecting nature, it makes little sense. We do all this shit for ourselves to begin with. Once we cease to exist, so does the relevance and importance of protecting nature, since we won't be there to percieve it.

    So yeah, this is stupid.



    Exactly, praise Jesus
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #53 - September 14, 2011, 08:08 AM
    stuff...
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #54 - September 14, 2011, 08:42 AM
    Quote from: Homer on September 14, 2011, 08:07 AM
    Hippies are retarded.

    The Earth is going to be destroyed eventually by the sun.....................

    Heat death. Everything is ultimately fucked anyway. Tongue
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #55 - September 14, 2011, 02:00 PM
    Quote from: Homer on September 14, 2011, 08:07 AM
    Hippies are retarded.

    The Earth is going to be destroyed eventually by the sun, regardless of what anyone does, and trees dont serve some cosmic objective function that makes them more important than people. Unless there is some better life form that comes along to replace us, what would be the point of getting rid of people? So that Pandas can hang around an do nothing productive till they eventually go extinct anyway?  


    This
    fuck you
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #56 - September 14, 2011, 02:21 PM
    Quote from: Homer on September 14, 2011, 08:07 AM
    Hippies are retarded.

    The Earth is going to be destroyed eventually by the sun, regardless of what anyone does, and trees dont serve some cosmic objective function that makes them more important than people. Unless there is some better life form that comes along to replace us, what would be the point of getting rid of people? So that Pandas can hang around an do nothing productive till they eventually go extinct anyway?  


    Exactly, praise Jesus

    +1
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #57 - September 14, 2011, 02:22 PM
    These VHEMT folks have it totally backwards... don't they know why humans exist in the first place???

    And God blessed [ Adam and Eve ] and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
    —Genesis 1:28 (KJV)

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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #58 - September 14, 2011, 11:09 PM
    Is your argument that... without humans there would be greater opportunity for other animals to exist (what with the lack of destruction and such), so it would be morally good if humans ensured they themselves ceased to exist?
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #59 - September 14, 2011, 11:51 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on September 14, 2011, 11:09 PM
    Is your argument that... without humans there would be greater opportunity for other animals to exist (what with the lack of destruction and such), so it would be morally good if humans ensured they themselves ceased to exist?


    Yup, I think that is one of the main arguments of VHEMT.

    I'm not really a follower though, partly because they encourage things like vasectomy. And to me that's a very permanent sort of commitment for anyone to be undertaking.
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