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  • Human Extinction - A good thing?
     OP - September 14, 2011, 01:49 AM
    The people on this site seem to think so:

    http://www.vhemt.org/aboutvhemt.htm


    I think they raise many good points, especially when it comes to the ecological unsustainability of human life.

    So, one of the main things I wonder is, why doesn't this idea have more mainstream support?

    Edit: They advocate the extinction of human beings through voluntary cessation of reproduction. Sorry should have made that more clear.
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #1 - September 14, 2011, 02:02 AM
    asbdsp

    Im sure mother nature has something up her sleeve to shake off
    the human overload.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #2 - September 14, 2011, 02:13 AM
    I dunno. I don’t think I can take too kindly to a group that could (in theory) see things like the Holocaust as a good, but narrow, start…
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #3 - September 14, 2011, 02:21 AM
    Quote
    So, one of the main things I wonder is, why doesn't this idea have more mainstream support?


    Might have something to do with the fact that we're human. Self-interest! cool2

    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #4 - September 14, 2011, 02:25 AM
    Maybe they should start by killing themselves.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #5 - September 14, 2011, 02:31 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 14, 2011, 02:25 AM
    Maybe they should start by killing themselves.


    This Afro
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #6 - September 14, 2011, 03:01 AM
    Its voluntary cessation of reproduction.

    They're not advocating killing anybody, including themselves.  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #7 - September 14, 2011, 03:04 AM
    so by the end the world will be left with nothing but a bunch of 80 year olds? what a miserable way to live. no one to take care of you.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #8 - September 14, 2011, 04:01 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 03:01 AM
    Its voluntary cessation of reproduction.


    Why though?

    Do you think nature/planet earth/whatever has awareness or conscience understanding of whether we exist or not? We're a speck of dust that will vanish soon enough and be forgotten, why rush it?
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #9 - September 14, 2011, 04:06 AM
    It's the height of arrogance to think we need to protect nature from ourselves.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #10 - September 14, 2011, 04:29 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 01:49 AM
    Edit: They advocate the extinction of human beings through voluntary cessation of reproduction.


    Pussies. These are hippie human extinctionists. Punk rock human extinctionists would advocate global thermonuclear war-- that's where it's at, baby!
    fuck you
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #11 - September 14, 2011, 04:32 AM
    Or we can reproduce so much till we deplete all the world's resources. dance
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #12 - September 14, 2011, 04:34 AM
    Takes too long-- drug-fueled orgy followed by nukes.
    fuck you
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #13 - September 14, 2011, 04:36 AM
    Oh, I got a warhead alright.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #14 - September 14, 2011, 04:44 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 14, 2011, 04:06 AM
    It's the height of arrogance to think we need to protect nature from ourselves.


    Considering the very real and well documented evidence of the damage that mankind is doing to the biosphere, why is it arrogant to think we need to prevent this from occurring?
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #15 - September 14, 2011, 04:49 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 04:44 AM
    Considering the very real and well documented evidence of the damage that mankind is doing to the biosphere, why is it arrogant to think we need to prevent this from occurring?


    "Damage" is relative. Earth, nature and other species don't have the consciousness to understand damage, because it's not a singular entity with intents or purposes. We only call it 'damage' because it affects us. I don't get this concept of 'protecting' nature for the sake of protecting nature, it makes little sense. We do all this shit for ourselves to begin with. Once we cease to exist, so does the relevance and importance of protecting nature, since we won't be there to percieve it.

    So yeah, this is stupid.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #16 - September 14, 2011, 05:02 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 04:44 AM
    Considering the very real and well documented evidence of the damage that mankind is doing to the biosphere, why is it arrogant to think we need to prevent this from occurring?

    The damage done to the biosphere will eventually be fixed once nature blows us away due to the imbalance we have caused. What we should fear is our own perishing, because that is exactly what our wasteful lifestyles will lead to. Nature can protect itself.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #17 - September 14, 2011, 05:04 AM
    Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 14, 2011, 04:49 AM
    "Damage" is relative. Earth, nature and other species don't have the consciousness to understand damage, because it's not a singular entity with intents or purposes. We only call it 'damage' because it affects us. I don't get this concept of 'protecting' nature for the sake of protecting nature, it makes little sense. We do all this shit for ourselves to begin with. Once we cease to exist, so does the relevance and importance of protecting nature, since we won't be there to percieve it.

    So yeah, this is stupid.


    Funny, I would have thought that Jesus Christ would understand the concept of altruism.  pccoffee
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  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #18 - September 14, 2011, 05:06 AM
    Altruism? You're now applying morality to nature? mysmilie_977
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #19 - September 14, 2011, 05:08 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 14, 2011, 05:02 AM
    The damage done to the biosphere will eventually be fixed once nature blows us away due to the imbalance we have caused.


    Short of asteroid or other catastrophic extinction event, I don't see this happening. Also as our technology increases, so does our ability to avoid the effects of these natural checks. Leaving us once again free to recklessly harm the planet.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
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    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #20 - September 14, 2011, 05:10 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 05:04 AM
    Funny, I would have thought that Jesus Christ would understand the concept of altruism.  pccoffee


    Yes, towards other human beings, or any entity with a conscience.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #21 - September 14, 2011, 05:11 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 14, 2011, 05:06 AM
    Altruism? You're now applying morality to nature? mysmilie_977


    By voluntarily bringing about our own extinction, human-beings would be the entities acting altruistically. I don't see what's so difficult to comprehend about human beings carrying out moral actions.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #22 - September 14, 2011, 05:12 AM
    Are you kidding me? Do you know anything about the projected rise in sea levels... or anything about what scientists have been warning against for decades? Or did you suddenly decide to take this up as a new cause without reading anything about it?
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #23 - September 14, 2011, 05:12 AM
    NUKES!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJAlIHsXcLY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLgr35RCfCY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p--ofeHvUts
    fuck you
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #24 - September 14, 2011, 05:13 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 05:11 AM
    By voluntarily bringing about our own extinction, human-beings would be the entities acting altruistically. I don't see what's so difficult to comprehend about human beings carrying out moral actions.

    Morality is a product of sentience. You can't apply morality to non-sentient things. You might as well tell me to be altruistic toward my table. I mean, isn't the main argument for animal rights that they are sentient beings? No one can argue for a morality otherwise.
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #25 - September 14, 2011, 05:13 AM
    Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 14, 2011, 05:10 AM
    Yes, towards other human beings, or any entity with a conscience.




    Okay, so for you feeding a starving kitten would be an incomprehensible act?
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #26 - September 14, 2011, 05:14 AM
    All I'm saying is that the only reason any of us care about "nature" is because we are part of it. Caring about nature for the sake of caring about nature is some sort of weird religion.. not reality.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #27 - September 14, 2011, 05:14 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on September 14, 2011, 05:13 AM
    Okay, so for you feeding a starving kitten would be an incomprehensible act?


    No.

    But you're asking me to feed that kitten with my babies meat.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #28 - September 14, 2011, 05:15 AM
    And altruism makes little sense when done for something that cannot even feel altruism, let alone percieve it.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Human Extinction - A good thing?
     Reply #29 - September 14, 2011, 05:18 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 14, 2011, 05:13 AM
    I mean, isn't the main argument for animal rights that they are sentient beings?


    Ahh, missed this at first.

    I think the case for such an altruistic act such as voluntary extinction could be built on similar grounds. I.e. it is a moral imperative to consider the welfare of sentient beings on the planet who are unable to protect themselves from the side-effects of human excesses, or something along those lines.

    Hence the idea that this is a position on which morality would apply could certainly remain intact.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


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    harakaat, friend, RIP
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