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  • A delusion called happiness
     OP - September 15, 2011, 10:34 AM

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    Should I ever meet His Holiness the Dalai Lama, my instinct would be to punch him in the face. He has a very annoying continuous chuckle. He ‘is happy and breathes happiness’, according to his acolytes - and how can anyone be like that and remain sane?

    I’m glad I’m not the only person harbouring such cynical thoughts. Pascal Bruckner, in this brilliant book, is also irritated by the Dalai Lama, calling him ‘this hammy prophet’ who spouts ‘amiable twaddle’ about everyone’s duty and right to be carefree and euphoric.

    It seems such a nice philosophy, but actually it is the cause of much dissatisfaction and depression. To want to be happy all the time is a ‘juvenile enthusiasm’, according to Bruckner.




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    If religions defer happiness - jam tomorrow - then those who try to establish euphoria here on Earth are also in for trouble. The clause in the American Declaration of Independence about ‘the pursuit of happiness’ has created endless dissent.
    Money doesn't buy happiness: Viv Nicholson's famous pools win led her into a spiral of 'alcoholism and smashed cars'

    Money doesn't buy happiness: Viv Nicholson's famous pools win led her into a spiral of 'alcoholism and smashed cars'

    Money, for example, as has been proved time and again, doesn’t buy happiness, only a better class of despair. The Pools Winner, Vivien Nicholson, for instance, spiralled into a pit of alcoholism and smashed cars - do see the new DVD release of Jack Rosenthal’s classic 1977 biopic about her, Spend, Spend, Spend.

    Nicholson’s happiness, like that of movie stars or footballers’ wives, quickly curdled into boredom and surfeit. How much Louis Vuitton luggage does a person need?

    As Agatha Christie says in Sparkling Cyanide, ‘happy people are failures because they are on such good terms with themselves, they don’t give a damn’.

    There is certainly a smugness, a selfishness, a determination to find the next kick. But the self-satisfaction doesn’t last long.

     


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    My wife is a child psychologist and she is always seeing patients with what is called body dysmorphic disorder - all these youngsters who hate themselves for how they look.

     It is madness (literally) that they feel compelled to be like this about themselves, from such an early age.

    But the ethos is - the body has to be transcended. It is not enough to be well-off or comfortably-off. You’ve got to look good, otherwise disgrace and failure await.

    The brevity of human beauty has to be combated, and we’ve got to the stage now where the natural process of growing old is an affront. The rubric seems to be that of Kurt Cobain: ‘It is better to burn out than fade away’.

    Who can be genuinely happy in such a culture? It would seem to me, and to the excellent Bruckner, who is not bad at all for a Frenchman, that the pursuit of the ideal of happiness has led only to its opposite. Everyone is in hell.

    Gadgets such as mobiles and iPods, meant to make life easier, make life more frantic. People text and tweet and twitter, filling the world with gibberish and drivel.

    Nobody is any good at lolling about on Sunday afternoons or doing nothing on holiday - they insist on doing ‘activities’.

    Material happiness is undercut by envy - of someone else’s superior possessions or appearance. (Peter Sellers went nuts because he felt that Blake Edwards always had more - a bigger Swiss chalet, bigger cars in the garage, a bigger bank balance, Julie Andrews.)

    Everything done to achieve happiness drives it away. Why? Because happiness cannot be a permanent state of being, unless you are out of it on psychotropic drugs.

     



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    And interestingly, when scientists tried to isolate the parts of the brain responsible for mood swings, they found that they were those branches of our DNA which best absorb cocaine and opiates.

    At best, happiness is fleeting, ‘a moment of splendour wrung from the monotony of the everyday,’ says Bruckner. ‘A brief moment of ecstasy stolen in the course of things’. It is also retrospective - emotion recollected in tranquillity. We draw sustenance from our memories.

    But the most important lesson to learn is that there are far better aims in life than happiness - such as cherishing freedom, justice, love, and friendship. Focus on these and happiness may come about almost incidentally, though no less powerfully for all that.

    Perpetual Euphoria is more than a book. It is a manifesto. It is work of genius. It is my bible.

                                                                      Weigh and consider!






    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: A delusion called happiness
     Reply #1 - September 15, 2011, 10:44 AM

    i won't even bother reading past the first little chunk.

    it's not that one should be happy all the time, but that one learns adequate methods to become happy and escape the depression that often pervades in life.  It is the (excuse the cheesiness) pursuit of happiness which is important. But that doesn`t mean that seeking happiness excludes the value of things like appreciating freedom and other important things in life. These things aren`t mutually exclusive.

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: A delusion called happiness
     Reply #2 - September 15, 2011, 11:13 AM

    Hypocrucifier: I think you should take a look at The Consolations of Philosophy by Alain De Botton. He also turned his book into a 6 part documentary known as Philosophy a guide to Happiness.

    I think you may enjoy it immensely (the docu and/or the book).

    n = 0 : n + [1,1,1...]
  • Re: A delusion called happiness
     Reply #3 - September 15, 2011, 11:22 AM

    Thanks! far away hug
     I am downloading both the docu and the pdf.
     Afro



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: A delusion called happiness
     Reply #4 - September 15, 2011, 03:01 PM

    great read hypocrucifier!

    I love people with a good sense of humor.  I derive joy from
    them making me laugh, and I love making others laugh as
    well.  The dali llama seems like a really cool dude and I would
    LOVE to have a chat with him. 

    Does one distinguish humor from happiness?  Consider how much
    humor is created BECAUSE of horrible situations, perhaps its just
    a coping mechanism.  But one I like very much.

    We can only blame society "norms" and definition of happiness as
    guidelines of what is success, what is happiness, and what SHOULD
    be the goals we set to obrain that success and happiness.

    When one can learn to derive happiness from their own definition
    without trying to live up to the unobtainable, then can one truly
    understand happiness.

    There are two times when humans complain the MOST.

    When one is hungry, and when one is too full.  In that respect,
    I admire the buddah, as it was his epiphany of balance that
    really helped me get through some really bad times in my
    life, especially those times as a result of religion.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: A delusion called happiness
     Reply #5 - September 18, 2011, 06:51 PM

    Ah Sidahartha was unique!

    All others have said believe in me and be saved.

    Buddha only said put my program into action and see if it works


    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: A delusion called happiness
     Reply #6 - September 20, 2011, 03:15 AM

    People seeking happiness doesn't mean expecting to be happy all the time. I actually believe that we need the sour to truly appreciate the sweet, which is why some suffering and pain is essential in life. Otherwise we'd take things for granted, and not just that, we wouldn't even know that we're actually experiencing something sweet. In that sense I think happiness comes from the contradiction of the dialectic of sweet and sour. That doesn't necessarily mean we need an equal amount of the two, nor do I know how much exactly we need of each, or if it's even possible to quantify them, but in general terms that seems to me to be the case.

    Saying things like "money doesn't buy happiness" is quite simplistic. While money certainly doesn't always buy happiness, it's usually a means to the goal of happiness. And even though it's true that some people are filthy rich and yet incredibly depressed (actually I would argue that there's some sort of correlation between the two), that doesn't mean people don't pursue monetary gain as a way to pursue happiness. Once money stops being a means toward happiness, they will stop pursuing it and start seeking something else. It's not unheard of for a privileged person to give up most of their belongings and go "soul-searching".

    We cherish "freedom, justice, love, and friendship" because those are things we believe would result in happiness. If they didn't, we wouldn't cherish nor seek them.
  • Re: A delusion called happiness
     Reply #7 - September 20, 2011, 03:35 AM

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    Saying things like "money doesn't buy happiness" is quite simplistic. While money certainly doesn't always buy happiness, it's usually a means to the goal of happiness.


    but then we would have to define what "happiness" is.  In the sense of being able to pay
    bills, mortages/rent, food on the table, a decent ride, etc, I lean more towards that
    being a relief from stress and anxiety, vs. "happiness".  Because when you cannot
    financially fulfill these things, the stress and anxiety can be overwhelming.  And yes,
    I have been very poor for a period of time, had no food on the table, unable to
    get medical attention with double pnumonia, and couldnt sleep because my hip bones
    dug into my matress cuz I was so thin from hunger.  I was just shy of living under
    a bridge.  And I mean *snap* close.  And that lasted for about 4 or 5 years.

    I lost aprox half the hair on my head from anxiety/stress (and while some came
    back, the rest never did--it came out in the handfuls).

    Now, am I "grateful" I don't have that kind of stress/anxiety now?
    Oh, hell yes!   Has it made me happy?  Only in the sense I don't have
    to worry about it, now.

    What being financially independent DOES do for me is afford me the
    TIME to create happiness, and to pursue my interests, which does make
    me happy.   Smiley

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: A delusion called happiness
     Reply #8 - September 21, 2011, 10:48 AM

    Human nature to pursue happiness, what is happiness? state of FEELING great, confident, powerful, abundant in resources, full freedom to do anything you wish any time, a combination of these setting off a feeling of 'goodness' we are in a position where we can influence the world to OUR interests and knowing we are safe and leading to offspring being safe, happiness is there to drive us in the right direction...

    When we can imagine a situation where we have ALL of these...material gains....I think it's human nature to want more, and probably developed from that part of our brain that is CURIOSITY driven, to explore, to learn, to adventure...to WANT those...wanting more experiences....

    There is so many things to aspire to, to experience in a lifetime, but I think because we can imagine this 'scenario' where we are already in a position where we have everything in this material world, (or believe that we can do so, imagine) is why we so easily can become complacent in life....

    ...maybe Tongue

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: A delusion called happiness
     Reply #9 - September 21, 2011, 12:45 PM

    i won't even bother reading past the first little chunk.

    it's not that one should be happy all the time, but that one learns adequate methods to become happy and escape the depression that often pervades in life.  It is the (excuse the cheesiness) pursuit of happiness which is important. But that doesn`t mean that seeking happiness excludes the value of things like appreciating freedom and other important things in life. These things aren`t mutually exclusive.

    huh...  life of A snob..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtSE4rglxbY

    Great guy...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: A delusion called happiness
     Reply #10 - September 21, 2011, 01:43 PM

    Ah Sidahartha was unique!

    All others have said believe in me and be saved.

    Buddha only said put my program into action and see if it works




    But alas! most people look for quick magic fixes.
    @yeezevee yes sir! great guy! Afro

    But people love to go from one extreme to the other don't they? and then wonder WTF is wrong with them!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
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