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Reply #30 - September 25, 2011, 07:51 AM

Yeah what a contrast between them and the #OccupyWallStreet protestors.

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Reply #31 - September 25, 2011, 07:56 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCo_bx8s1Z4

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Reply #32 - September 25, 2011, 11:38 AM

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Though I don't think he ever looked that hot again since....

Yeah, I should have specified that I meant Brian Kinney as a character, not Gale Harold. He looks old now, and it doesn't really help that he's starring in crappy tv shows :S

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Reply #33 - September 25, 2011, 11:43 AM

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BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO BUSY PLAYING BONGO DRUMS, HAVING UNPROTECTED HIPPIE SEX AND BRAIDING EACH OTHERS HAIRS

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Reply #34 - September 25, 2011, 04:45 PM

Don't these people know history.

Communism doesn't work guys.

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Reply #35 - September 25, 2011, 04:48 PM

Communism might not work. But killing a shit load Wall Street cunts would be pretty fucking sweet.

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Reply #36 - September 25, 2011, 05:17 PM

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Don't these people know history.

I'd venture to say some of them know it much better than you, which is why they would probably avoid making a simplistic statement like that below.

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Communism doesn't work guys.

First off, that statement doesn't mean much without explanation. Second off, could say the same about capitalism, with similar objections as to the simplicity of the statement.

To summarize what I mean: (a) there's a good argument to be made that so-called communist states were more properly termed Leninist and bore very little relation to communism as posited by Marx considering the fact that in none of them did the workers ever take control of the means of production, and (b) even if we are referring to the Leninist version of "Communism" in practice, it would still be simplistic to say "it didn't work"-- some things did work, others didn't-- just like in capitalism. That mixed-economy capitalism proved to be a more redoubtable system than Leninism does not mean Leninism was an abject failure in every respect, just means it lost out in the struggle with capitalism over the sustainability of one system over the other.

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Communism might not work. But killing a shit load Wall Street cunts would be pretty fucking sweet.

Right. One does not necessarily need to be a communist or even a socialist to condemn the Wall Street parasites and thieves.

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Reply #37 - September 25, 2011, 06:01 PM

Yes yes. It’s the same argument as ‘They’re not really Islamic states. Your problems lies with Muslims themselves, NOT with Islam, which is all mighty and perfect!’
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Reply #38 - September 25, 2011, 06:22 PM

I'm not going to try to defend the actions of a certain type of Wall Street scum.

What I don't get is the abject hatred and jealousy for them displayed by some of the protesters and reflected and amplified throughout this thread. Yes, some of them are leeches and they don't create value in any meaningful way. But I disagree with the implicitly held notion that because they have a big chunk of "the pie" that its unfair for the rest of us and its holding us back.

There is no finite pie that they are keeping from you. Everyone can attempt to create and grow their own wealth. You simply have to offer others something of value. The fact that these kids with so much potential are wasting so much time on these protests instead of setting their minds on doing just that worries me.

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Reply #39 - September 25, 2011, 06:29 PM

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There is no finite pie that they are keeping from you.

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Reply #40 - September 26, 2011, 05:50 AM

Quote from: asbdsp on September 25, 2011, 06:22 PM
I'm not going to try to defend the actions of a certain type of Wall Street scum.

What I don't get is the abject hatred and jealousy for them displayed by some of the protesters and reflected and amplified throughout this thread. Yes, some of them are leeches and they don't create value in any meaningful way. But I disagree with the implicitly held notion that because they have a big chunk of "the pie" that its unfair for the rest of us and its holding us back.

There is no finite pie that they are keeping from you. Everyone can attempt to create and grow their own wealth. You simply have to offer others something of value. The fact that these kids with so much potential are wasting so much time on these protests instead of setting their minds on doing just that worries me.

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Reply #41 - September 27, 2011, 01:59 AM

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but i like pie

That's funny, I would have taken you to be more a fan of the "strudel".

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Reply #42 - September 27, 2011, 05:41 AM

i like both

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Reply #43 - September 27, 2011, 05:41 AM

BY STRUDEL YOU MeANT COCK RITE???

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Reply #44 - September 27, 2011, 06:46 AM

Quote from: asbdsp on September 25, 2011, 06:22 PM
But I disagree with the implicitly held notion that because they have a big chunk of "the pie" that its unfair for the rest of us and its holding us back.

There is no finite pie that they are keeping from you. Everyone can attempt to create and grow their own wealth. You simply have to offer others something of value. The fact that these kids with so much potential are wasting so much time on these protests instead of setting their minds on doing just that worries me.

That's not the issue. The issues are:

*Investors manipulating the government so while the working-class get no relief, they get corporate welfare in the form of billions in bailout money.

*Investors manipulating the government to implement policies to keep wages low so profits increase and thus their shares of stocks become more valuable.

*Investors moving capital offshore or to other lower-wage areas for the purpose of the above.

[In this sense there is a finite "pie" of money when it comes to labor costs vs. profits-- anyone who claims otherwise obviously has never been involved with the collective bargaining process or watched a runaway shop to low-wage areas, outsourcing to China, or a bank calling in the note on a profitable factory which then must shutter up and lay everyone off]

*Investors pushing for ridiculously low tax rates on those most capable of paying them and shifting the revenue burden to the working-class.

*Investors shutting down productive businesses to quickly liquidate assets and turn a quick buck.

*Investors inflating the prices of basic resources and consumer goods through speculative trading.

*Investors working to destroy public pensions and public-sector unionization so they can privatize public services and reap the profits.

*Investors pushing the government to engage in wars and other aggressive actions so they can profit from them.

*Investors pushing the government to interfere in the internal political affairs of other nations to benefit their financial interests.

The list goes on...

It's not just that they're parasites, asbie, it's that they're parasites slowly sickening and killing the host organism that is the working-class, and, to a lesser extent, productive entrepeneurs and small businessmen.

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Reply #45 - September 28, 2011, 12:36 AM

I don't disagree with many of those individual points Q. I think the overall thrust of my message that was being missed here though is the greater degree of economic freedoms and individual autonomy possessed by people in the US not extant elsewhere in the world. No one is making any of these people "working class", if they feel that it is such a shitty role.

This degree of economic freedom and autonomy is especially true for these mostly young, college-educated protesters on the street. Through their own risk-taking and entrepreneurship, and the power and influence through wealth that will come through it they are more than capable of becoming the very change in the system that they are so fruitlessly railing for right now. Instead by falling into the trap of a victim-hood mentality from such an early age they're instead self-selecting out positive traits of empathy and social awareness amongst the leadership class.

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Reply #46 - September 28, 2011, 12:58 AM

Quote from: asbdsp on September 28, 2011, 12:36 AM
I don't disagree with many of those individual points Q. I think the overall thrust of my message that was being missed here though is the greater degree of economic freedoms and individual autonomy possessed by people in the US not extant elsewhere in the world. No one is making any of these people "working class", if they feel that it is such a shitty role.

1. Oh really? Considering that our current systems of production and distribution are based on the existence of a working-class, and currently the vast majority of the world's population sells their labor to someone else for subsistence, how would it be possible in a capitalist model based on this reality for the majority of people to transition into the owning class? Other than completely reversing hundreds of years of development of economies of scale to achieve some sort of utopian Jeffersonian small farmer and manufacturer/trader society?

2. There is a limit to upward mobility otherwise every smart, disciplined and driven person would be at the top and all the dumb, lazy people at the bottom. Clearly that's not the case. Let's not pretend capitalist society is a meritocracy.

3. There is nothing inherently "shitty" about being a productive worker/manual laborer/a worker with a small individual role. It's shitty because such workers earn only a very small share of the value they actually produce under capitalism and because their autonomy is limited in a society where the owning class wields most of the power. The interim solution is for the working-class to fight for better pay, benefits and working conditions. The ultimate solution is to simply do away with a society where almost all production is based on the division between owners and workers, and the former extracts profit from the latter.

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Reply #47 - September 28, 2011, 01:35 AM

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1. Oh really? Considering that our current systems of production and distribution are based on the existence of a working-class, and currently the vast majority of the world's population sells their labor to someone else for subsistence, how would it be possible in a capitalist model based on this reality for the majority of people to transition into the owning class? Other than completely reversing hundreds of years of development of economies of scale to achieve some sort of utopian Jeffersonian small farmer and manufacturer/trader society?

What forces these people to sell their labor in such an unequitable way, other than their own desperation? In a western democracy, the answer is nothing. Try telling a Bangladeshi woman, who until recently couldn't get a $1 dollar loan to kick start her basket weaving trade, about the paucity of economic choices of western peoples.

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2. There is a limit to upward mobility otherwise every smart, disciplined and driven person would be at the top and all the dumb, lazy people at the bottom. Clearly that's not the case. Let's not pretend capitalist society is a meritocracy.

Its not a meritocracy, but its certainly the closest we've gotten in recorded history. Much of that has had to do with letting those who create value keep the wealth that is the fruit of their efforts.

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3. There is nothing inherently "shitty" about being a productive worker/manual laborer/a worker with a small individual role. It's shitty because such workers earn only a very small share of the value they actually produce under capitalism and because their autonomy is limited in a society where the owning class wields most of the power. The interim solution is for the working-class to fight for better pay, benefits and working conditions. The ultimate solution is to simply do away with a society where almost all production is based on the division between owners and workers, and the former extracts profit from the latter.

This interim solution is never going to work in a rapidly globalizing economy in which there is a nearly unlimited number of workers who are willing to do more for less and less. Actually it sounds rather absurd that the ownership-working class power dynamic might even be changed, just because we "ask for it".

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Reply #48 - September 29, 2011, 02:01 AM

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What forces these people to sell their labor in such an unequitable way, other than their own desperation? In a western democracy, the answer is nothing.

Being desperate for money and material goods isn't good enough for you? The only other way for most people to make basic subsistence would be to live on hand-outs/social services, scam the state for benefits, or steal/engage in other crimes.

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Try telling a Bangladeshi woman, who until recently couldn't get a $1 dollar loan to kick start her basket weaving trade, about the paucity of economic choices of western peoples.

This is a straight-up retarded argument-- that Third World labor is obviously exploited worse than labor in developed nations in no way refutes any point I made.

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Its not a meritocracy, but its certainly the closest we've gotten in recorded history.

Evidence?

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Much of that has had to do with letting those who create value keep the wealth that is the fruit of their efforts.

Um, what? Fact is labor does not get the full value of their work, not even close, and if what you mean is that business owners are allowed to profit makes our society more of a meritocracy, well, you'd need some evidence to convince me of that.

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This interim solution is never going to work in a rapidly globalizing economy in which there is a nearly unlimited number of workers who are willing to do more for less and less.

International labor unions? Revolutionary movements taking power in enough developing countries to start shifting the balance?

Well, what's your alternative? Adopt your defeatist attitude that this is the best of all possible worlds and even if it isn't there's not shit we can do about it so we should stop bitching?

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Actually it sounds rather absurd that the ownership-working class power dynamic might even be changed, just because we "ask for it".

I never made such a claim.

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Reply #49 - September 29, 2011, 04:56 AM

I'll address the others later but on your last point, how do these Wall Street protests, which are being held without any form of leverage, amount to anything more than a polite request/sternly worded e-mail etc.?

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Reply #50 - September 29, 2011, 11:31 AM

I stated in another thread that such protests need to be backed up with strikes and boycotts to be effective. However, direct action protests like these can be helpful in building momentum towards more effective direct action such as strikes and boycotts, which don't tend to materialize out of thin air.

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Reply #51 - October 05, 2011, 11:31 PM

My mom emailed me this. Very touching story.

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Reply #52 - October 05, 2011, 11:39 PM

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Reply #56 - October 05, 2011, 11:45 PM

That kid ain't from Iraq and he wasn't born in no war zone.

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Reply #57 - October 05, 2011, 11:46 PM

He has an Iraqi look, actually.
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Reply #58 - October 05, 2011, 11:48 PM

Lots of ways one can lose their arms besides munitions.

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