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 Poll

  • Question: Death Penalty
  • In support of it - 4 (8.7%)
  • Against it - 33 (71.7%)
  • Undecided - 9 (19.6%)
  • Total Voters: 46

 Topic: Death Penalty

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  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #90 - September 25, 2011, 07:32 PM

    All of your 5 points miss the point and are therefore completely irrelevant. You just don't seem to understand the simple fact that the judicial system either makes mistakes or fits up innocent people, neither of which injustices can be rectified if an innocent convicted individual has been topped. What's so difficult about that? Or do you think that the taking of innocent lives, now and again, is somehow OK?
    Your point 5 is particularly callous and idiotic.


    Its interesting how you claim this when I provided an objection in point 5...which either makes me think you didn't actually read the point or you don't want to bother addressing it.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #91 - September 25, 2011, 07:32 PM

    Quote from: dawafilms
    This is perhaps the strongest objection, but is still flawed. For one, giving the death penalty to an innocent person is a misapplication or mistake of justice, it is not an injustice. The purpose of the death penalty was never to kill innocent people. This sort of reasoning completely misses the point of justice and punishment and looks at everything pragmatically, which is false. I am not saying that killing an innocent person isn't a big deal, but to get rid of an entire form of punishment because of the mistake of its applicaton is simply illogical. If this is really how you think, then you should also justify getting rid of ALL punishments because of the mistakes we make. One could retort "Well its worse if we accidentally kill someone than keeping them in jail". Nonsense. This could be the case and it couldn't. Keeping a man in jail for several years can have absolutely the same effect on the family outside as it can killing him. The  family will eventually move on and learn how to survive on their own in both cases...the only difference is that eventually the guy might get out. The second difference is that in the case of accidentally killing the man over accidentally putting them in jail: the dead guy doesnt have to suffer forever in a prison cell!!!!!!!


    Spoken like a man who has never found himself on Death Row for a crime he didn't commit.   Rationalising an innocent person's execution is all very easy from the comfort of your living room, when its not your life at stake.   Roll Eyes

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #92 - September 25, 2011, 07:49 PM

    Im quite aware of them. You seem to think that evidence can be validated equally by everyone, which is the real problem here, therefore discarding all forms of authority for your own uninformed assessment.



    Spoken like a true Muslim.

     clap
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #93 - September 25, 2011, 07:56 PM

    Spoken like a man who has never found himself on Death Row for a crime he didn't commit.   Rationalising an innocent person's execution is all very easy from the comfort of your living room, when its not your life at stake.   Roll Eyes


    Appeal to emotion is not rational either.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #94 - September 25, 2011, 07:57 PM

    Spoken like a true Muslim.

     clap


    Spoken like someone who obviously can't say anything substantial in response.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #95 - September 25, 2011, 07:59 PM

    Appeal to emotion is not rational either.


    Its true though, isn't it?  You're not posting from a cell on Death Row, and if you were you'd be singing a very different tune.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #96 - September 25, 2011, 08:05 PM

    People being bitches to Dawahfilms + Dawahfilms being a bitch to people here = Dawahfilms leaves site without gaining any insight or empathy for apostates and secularists. Granted there's a good chance that would have been the result no matter what people's attitudes were, but why guarantee that result?

    In other words, can both Dawahfilms and his detractors both can the fuckin attitude before it turns into full-scale shitslinging? Thanks.

    fuck you
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #97 - September 25, 2011, 08:13 PM

    People being bitches to Dawahfilms + Dawahfilms being a bitch to people here = Dawahfilms leaves site without gaining any insight or empathy for apostates and secularists.


    Good point.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #98 - September 25, 2011, 08:17 PM

    In other words, can both Dawahfilms and his detractors both can the fuckin attitude before it turns into full-scale shitslinging?

    Q-Man - poacher turned gamekeeper.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #99 - September 25, 2011, 08:17 PM

    Well, he can gain insight into me by seeing how unimpressed I am by the arrogance of someone who claims the right to decide on other peoples' behalf that they would be better off dead than in prison.  Its not HIS life we're talking about, so its not his place to make that call.

    And that's not bitchiness, I'm just telling it like it is.

    Cheetah - gamekeeper turned poacher.   dance

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #100 - September 25, 2011, 08:25 PM

    Q-Man - poacher turned gamekeeper.


     grin12

    Hey, look, the guy's a high-profile Muslim Youtuber, not your run-of-the-mill dickhead Muslim who comes here to troll or pontificate. And although he's arrogant as hell, he seems intelligent and not overly hostile. I tend to think in strategic terms and it seems to me having a high-profile Muslim Youtuber be sympathetic to the CEMB and its goals is better than having him be hostile to it.

    Often the discussions, debates, and shit-slanging fests we have here don't matter in the broader world, but sometimes they do. I may be an asshole, but I'm one who thinks strategically in terms of causes he cares about.

    Well, he can gain insight into me by seeing how unimpressed I am by the arrogance of someone who claims the right to decide on other peoples' behalf that they would be better off dead than in prison.  Its not HIS life we're talking about, so its not his place to make that call.

    And that's not bitchiness, I'm just telling it like it is.

    Cheetah - gamekeeper turned poacher.   dance


    Wasn't referring to you actually.

    fuck you
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #101 - September 25, 2011, 08:53 PM

    Meh. I have no will to discuss things with him, but I'll just ignore him.

     whistling2
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #102 - September 25, 2011, 08:55 PM

    Answer to all your problems aboody  Wink

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #103 - September 25, 2011, 08:55 PM

    Im quite aware of them. You seem to think that evidence can be validated equally by everyone, which is the real problem here, therefore discarding all forms of authority for your own uninformed assessment.



    That's interesting to me, I have honestly never heard the idea that authority had anything to do with evidence. I don't quite get it. Why would you need an authority to interpret evidence correctly for you unless that authority was trying to make you see something that isn't there?
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #104 - September 26, 2011, 03:08 AM

    Well, he can gain insight into me by seeing how unimpressed I am by the arrogance of someone who claims the right to decide on other peoples' behalf that they would be better off dead than in prison.  Its not HIS life we're talking about, so its not his place to make that call.

    And that's not bitchiness, I'm just telling it like it is.

    Cheetah - gamekeeper turned poacher.   dance


    Seems like I missed an interesting poster.
    I read your reply to my questions, not really a very insightful answer at first look. However since this is a topic that interests I'll take the time to read every ones replies. Actually plot them, take notes put in fold. In a week or two I'll be done with it long after you and the others have moved on. The Prison,  the Jail, Offenders, Correctional Officers, Social Workers, lockdown, cell seachers, security check points these are all part of my daily life.

    Today my sister and I went to lunch, My name was on the seat of the car, she picked it up to look at it. She asked some questions about why there are two picture  tags. Just just securety stuff. Then she noticed "In case of suicide attempt" instructions. She laughed and said, "What do you just read these?" My reply, "No after the first time you realize you better have everything memorized."

    I  hope you never have to see a man so hopeless he slits his own throat then fights the correctional officers who are trying to restrain him so he can get medical help.

    Don't waste your idealism on us internet meanies you poacher. Why don't you became an activist voluntry for local Innocense organisation. That way you can meet offenders and do some real good.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #105 - September 26, 2011, 02:04 PM

    I  hope you never have to see a man so hopeless he slits his own throat then fights the correctional officers who are trying to restrain him so he can get medical help.


    How does this refute any of Cheetah's points or establish an argument in favor of the death penalty? Unless what you are arguing for is the use of the death penalty as euthanasia-- which is basically what Nazi Germany did (not the Holocaust, look up "life unworthy of life").

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    Don't waste your idealism on us internet meanies you poacher. Why don't you became an activist voluntry for local Innocense organisation. That way you can meet offenders and do some real good.


    How do you know she doesn't?

    fuck you
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #106 - September 27, 2011, 07:12 AM

    How do I know Colonel Q-Daffi.
    Get really!
    How'd you miss it

    To start with I read the thread.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #107 - September 27, 2011, 08:09 AM

    People being bitches to Dawahfilms + Dawahfilms being a bitch to people here = Dawahfilms leaves site without gaining any insight or empathy for apostates and secularists. Granted there's a good chance that would have been the result no matter what people's attitudes were, but why guarantee that result?

    In other words, can both Dawahfilms and his detractors both can the fuckin attitude before it turns into full-scale shitslinging? Thanks.


    I like you Smiley

    No homo Tongue
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #108 - September 27, 2011, 08:19 AM

    I like you Smiley

    Wait till he's had a few drinks and digs out his old punk albums.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #109 - June 23, 2012, 01:51 PM

    i really liked this talk about the death penalty..
    http://www.ted.com/talks/david_r_dow_lessons_from_death_row_inmates.html
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #110 - June 23, 2012, 06:39 PM

    well I'm against it because of the innocent argument,  infallibility,perversion  in the system and might to add that the convicted is a piece of evidence itself to the cases, who knows, there's much more to it than it was,

    as for euthanasia, organ harvesting, it can go wrong, I'm not convinced that these is a good thing

    as for lynna , I do feel sorry for what you go through everyday from your job, but I do feel more towards the innocent living their live there, I think the answer to that is improved facility, basic human necessity to ward off induced insanity, donno I'm no expert,

    for the family and society,  they should know what it feel to live in a prison first and then you can tell if it's justified or not for the crime done, refer to lynna post on prisoner who tried to end their life, maybe an educational program on prison life

    but again there's a hardcore prisoner, remorseless, who doesn't feel a thing (we were talking about life sentences, murder ect) this should be evaluate by the officer there on what they should get in their daily life, it's a penitentiary ain't

    research must be done to understand what makes them do these kind of thing, as a guidelines not a fact, to prevent it from happening
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #111 - June 23, 2012, 07:47 PM

    Against it mainly because of the possibility the justice system could make a mistake... and I don't trust any organization to carry out the law perfectly.

    Are there cases where I think it would be okay to have the death penalty?  Sure... in cases where we are 100% sure someone did something horrible... but that's all theoretical.  I don't trust any legal body or politician to act justly on it.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #112 - June 24, 2012, 11:09 PM

    well I'm against it because of the innocent argument,  infallibility,perversion  in the system and might to add that the convicted is a piece of evidence itself to the cases, who knows, there's much more to it than it was,

    as for lynna , I do feel sorry for what you go through everyday from your job, but I do feel more towards the innocent living their live there, I think the answer to that is improved facility, basic human necessity to ward off induced insanity, donno I'm no expert,

    for the family and society,  they should know what it feel to live in a prison first and then you can tell if it's justified or not for the crime done, refer to lynna post on prisoner who tried to end their life, maybe an educational program on prison life

    but again there's a hardcore prisoner, remorseless, who doesn't feel a thing (we were talking about life sentences, murder ect) this should be evaluate by the officer there on what they should get in their daily life, it's a penitentiary ain't

    research must be done to understand what makes them do these kind of thing, as a guidelines not a fact, to prevent it from happening


    Thanks for feeling sorry about my hard days. But most my hard days are not for me they are for the men I work with. It would be women also but just happens I work at men's facility.

    You must understand there are very few innocent people in prison. Yes a few in the US but seldom on death row and they have so many resource to help them fight even if they oh so guilty deyond a doubt. It makes big headlines if one person is later found innocent but it is not like that person was just Joe Random who never had ever committed a crime before in his life usually there was very good reason to think he had done the crime. By far guilty is beyond question. In the state where I live sometimes the sentence is more harsh then the law really allows however there are many service that help with this. The men just need to follow the steps and rules to go through the process. Some of them because they are rule breakers won't do what it takes so they just serve the time. Didn't learn. If someone does it for them they still don't learn. What then is the solution.


    It is very easy to have a good idea what prison life is like. There are many people who work in the system who are qualified and more then willing to talk about. There are more then a few documentaries on the TV. There are books. The thing is most people who go to prison either think "not going to happen to me" or they don't think at all. The main thing I would like to emphasize about prison is not the "tough stuff " that goes on there. Yes, that should deter a person from wanting to go there. But sometimes it's the small stuff over and over again that make you realize how sad it is.  No matter what the crime is these men are in prison because they thought the rules did not apply to them for whatever reason. In prison they will encounter more rules then they ever knew existed. For example some facilities have blue floor along each side of the hall and offenders must walk single file on that blue. Every place offenders must give way to staff, this is enforced to various degrees. If an offender touches staff even brushes against in some cases this is assault.  There are times to do everything and offender never gets to pick the time. Offenders on some units never get to open their door or step out it even if it is open without permission.  At anytime when being given their medications the nurse can ask to see their mouth. This is not just open your mouth but a whole up tongue move it from side to side pull cheeks out with fingers and run tongue around gums. Doesn't seem to bad multiple times 20 years and an eight by eight cell. Still doesn't seem bad I can tell you more.

    The vast majority of prison isn't about the death sentence it is about life lessons they should have learned all along the way. Obey the rules. Follow simple directions. Be responsible for yourself. There are things going on every step of the way to help these men be able to make it on the outside. They just need to understand and take advantage of making the change. But they have to want to.

    Do you like cookies?




    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #113 - June 26, 2012, 08:04 AM

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    You must understand there are very few innocent people in prison. Yes a few in the US but seldom on death row and they have so many resource to help them fight even if they oh so guilty deyond a doubt.


    So there's innocent people in prison, deathrow and resources to help them fight, are there any that can't, or are you one of those who have gone through that or experienced it ?

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    The men just need to follow the steps and rules to go through the process. Some of them because they are rule breakers won't do what it takes so they just serve the time. Didn't learn. If someone does it for them they still don't learn. What then is the solution.


    what's the solutions .....
    I do wonder ...
    why murder the innocent ?
    they're not a war casualties against crime, it's contained, is it ?

    The system, education is flawed, maybe that's what needed to be address,

    I don't think how many were killed in a country as an extent to show a civilization achievement, it's how many you can save, prolonged.

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    It is very easy to have a good idea what prison life is like. There are many people who work in the system who are qualified and more then willing to talk about. There are more then a few documentaries on the TV. There are books.


    Getting idea and reliving it, is a different matter, the workers experience and the prisoners is separate, you can't fully know what's a prisoner is except if you're one of them, and then there's different points of view from prisoner to prisoner. So I like to hear a prisoner opinion in this matter.

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    ......The vast majority of prison isn't about the death sentence it is about life lessons they should have learned all along the way. Obey the rules. Follow simple directions. Be responsible for yourself. There are things going on every step of the way to help these men be able to make it on the outside. They just need to understand and take advantage of making the change. But they have to want to.


    yeah yeah I git it, shit happens, socioeconomic,  society problem, prison is bad, people doesn't want to change and all that stuff, I just can't relate a reason to death penalty though.

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    Do you like cookies?


    I do  grin12
    did you buy it or did you cooked it on your own, I meant the cookies  grin12
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #114 - June 26, 2012, 03:57 PM

    So there's innocent people in prison, deathrow and resources to help them fight, are there any that can't, or are you one of those who have gone through that or experience it?



    I have not work a deathrow prison only with lifers or lesser sentence.  However same resources apply for getting assistance. Case managers and social workers are the main personal that do this. But everyone can make referral medical and correctional often do because of the one to one time we spend with the offender. Medical more often because less discipline is seen as coming from that direction so they often feel comfortable to tell their account. All prisons also have a law library. There are many free or low cost to the offender lawyer services. The free to offender services means paid for by the taxes of the people and society the crime was committed against. They can always pay their own lawyer if they want.

    In my time working in corrections I have yet to meet any one that has been wrongfully convicted. Only people who have been sentenced to inappropriate terms. The law only allows so many years for certain crimes but sometimes a judge will give to many years. Then the sentenced person must appeal the sentence. I have made referrals to help offenders on the way to resolving such issues.



    what's the solutions .....
    I do wonder ...
    why murder the innocent ?
    they're not a war casualties against crime, it's contained, is it ?

    The system, education is flawed, maybe that's what needed to be address,

    I don't think how many were killed in a country as an extent to show a civilization achievement, it's how many you can save, prolonged.



    One put death wrongly is one to many.

    Do you know I am a rape survivor? That occasion was brutal that man held a gun to my cheek bone at one point and threatened to blow my face off. He beat me black and blue all over my body because he wanted to hurt me he didn't know me at all. That man never served a minute of time in jail or prison for that crime. Laws have changed since then but I was in the end found guilty because I was not married to the father of my daughter. It was my lifestyle that put me in the position I was in.

    The reason I tell that account is so you can understand I know about having a crime committed against me. A horrible crime. I'm okay. I feel sorry for that man because what he did to me hinders him from being as complete a person as he could be because what he did to me.

    These people who commit crimes have problems. They make wrong choices. They blame their wrong choices on everything under the sun except where the blame belongs.

    Not all of them. Some of them get it they learn the lesson.

    Could the system better? Sure. But it is good. There are resource for those who will open their eyes and use them.

    The thing that is flawed is when a person doesn't want to own up to being responsible for their own actions.

    Bring the situation home Paranoid.  Don't think of it as something that happens someplace else to some one else. What would you want to happen to some one who brutally murder 5 people and would do it again without second thought? Not just any 5 people on of them was your mom and one was your lover. That rapist that raped me now he raped your daughter. What should be done?

    Remember the offender is not the victim. The offender inflicted pain and suffering on some else.

    Now there is a system that is designed to teach that offender how to make it in life. They can go to vocational school at the expense of the taxes payer. They can get job training if they wait to and qualify.

    Who helps the victim recover?



    Getting idea and reliving it, is a different matter, the workers experience and the prisoners is separate, you can't fully know what's a prisoner is except if you'r one of them, and there is different point of view from prisoner. So I'd like to hear a prisoner opinion in this matter.



    PM me an I will give the address of a prisoner to write so you can have your very own firsthand opinion.  How does that sound? But you have to write on paper and put on stamp and send in the mail. He loves to get letters and is an awesome artist.


    I'm out of time to tell you about the cookies. I'm so glad you love cookies.


    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #115 - June 26, 2012, 08:20 PM

    ^^
    surely all of this is about death sentences

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    I have not work a deathrow prison only with lifers or lesser sentence.  However same resources apply for getting assistance. Case managers and social workers are the main personal that do this. But everyone can make referral medical and correctional often do because of the one to one time we spend with the offender. Medical more often because less discipline is seen as coming from that direction so they often feel comfortable to tell their account. All prisons also have a law library. There are many free or low cost to the offender lawyer services. The free to offender services means paid for by the taxes of the people and society the crime was committed against. They can always pay their own lawyer if they want.

    In my time working in corrections I have yet to meet any one that has been wrongfully convicted. Only people who have been sentenced to inappropriate terms. The law only allows so many years for certain crimes but sometimes a judge will give to many years. Then the sentenced person must appeal the sentence. I have made referrals to help offenders on the way to resolving such issues.


    Still, you're not on the death row lynna nor do I.

    The system is not without flaw to carry conviction such as irreversible death, it's again my conscience

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    There is no way to tell how many of the over 1,000 people executed since 1976 may also have been innocent. Courts do not generally entertain claims of innocence when the defendant is dead. Defense attorneys move on to other cases where clients' lives can still be saved.


    Executed But Possibly Innocent

    Only time, science advancement, human efforts (if there is) will tell how many were innocent and how many criminal were escaping the punishment just because the case was deemed closed, people lose interest in it.

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    One put death wrongly is one to many.


    I'm not familiar with this saying, care to explain

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    Do you know I am a rape survivor? That occasion was brutal that man held a gun to my cheek bone at one point and threatened to blow my face off. He beat me black and blue all over my body because he wanted to hurt me he didn't know me at all. That man never served a minute of time in jail or prison for that crime. Laws have changed since then but I was in the end found guilty because I was not married to the father of my daughter. It was my lifestyle that put me in the position I was in.
    The reason I tell that account is so you can understand I know about having a crime committed against me. A horrible crime. I'm okay. I feel sorry for that man because what he did to me hinders him from being as complete a person as he could be because what he did to me.


    I'm sorry, mad to hear what happened to you lynna but I can't based my reason on this.

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    The reason I tell that account is so you can understand I know about having a crime committed against me. A horrible crime. I'm okay. I feel sorry for that man because what he did to me hinders him from being as complete a person as he could be because what he did to me.
    These people who commit crimes have problems. They make wrong choices. They blame their wrong choices on everything under the sun except where the blame belongs.


    Of course it's, human tend to blamed everything around them for self preservation, there's a reason for that and human do interact with their surrounding, I don't see a reason to agree with death penalty

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    Not all of them. Some of them get it they learn the lesson.
    Could the system better? Sure. But it is good. There are resource for those who will open their eyes and use them.
    The thing that is flawed is when a person doesn't want to own up to being responsible for their own actions.


    Maybe there's a reason that they don't take responsiblity for their action, confusion, innocent, illness and remorseless.

    I'm inclined to see your argument for death penalties is for repetitive offender being sentenced for life imprisonment than deathrow inmate here, still I'm not seing the reason for death penalty.

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    Bring the situation home Paranoid. Don't think of it as something that happens someplace else to some one else. What would you want to happen to some one who brutally murder 5 people and would do it again without second thought? Not just any 5 people on of them was your mom and one was your lover. That rapist that raped me now he raped your daughter. What should be done?


    I will be mad, I'll  grief and I'll move on, the offender can rot in jail, all what was left of his life thinking what bring him to that situation, rather than allowing him a quick death, easy way out. Still not a reason for death penalties.

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    Now there is a system that is designed to teach that offender how to make it in life. They can go to vocational school at the expense of the taxes payer. They can get job training if they wait to and qualify.


    This is not the one who were sentenced to life imprisonment is it ? then they can improved their life and contribute to society, I don't think it's wrong even if they were, they're still imprisoned, not release into society, doing work there, just make sure they're still there.

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    Who helps the victim recover?

    lynna, I get the vibe that this question in the first place is for you yourself, not me, and I do feel you're qualified to answered this yourself, but do tell me.

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    PM me an I will give the address of a prisoner to write so you can have your very own firsthand opinion. How does that sound? But you have to write on paper and put on stamp and send in the mail. He loves to get letters and is an awesome artist.


    the idea is very appealing, but I'm in no conditions to use traditional  method in making new friends. I have to think this over, btw, what kind of artist is he ?

    and I do some searches on website regarding those opinion

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    Wrongly Convicted Tell Congress about the Inhumane Treatment They Suffered in Solitary Confinement


    Senate Holds the First-Ever Congressional Hearing on Solitary Confinement:  “Reassessing Solitary Confinement: The Human Rights, Fiscal and Public Safety Consequences”  

    (June 19, 2012; Washington, D.C.) – Today Anthony Graves, who was exonerated after spending 16 years on death-row in Texas, testified at the first-ever congressional hearing on solitary confinement about the horrors he faced while held in solitary confinement.  The Innocence Project also submitted written statements to the Senate Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Human Rights on behalf of five men and one woman about the inhumane treatment they experienced in solitary confinement while incarcerated for crimes they didn’t commit.  The six men and women were all represented by different member projects of the Innocence Network.  Today they submitted statements as individuals and add their voices to the many others that ask the Congress to stop this practice.

    “As the stories of these six exonerees so starkly illustrate, placing someone in a tiny cell and cutting them off from regular human contact is an extreme punishment with grave psychological consequences,” said Maddy deLone, Executive Director of the Innocence Project, which is affiliated with Cardozo School of Law. “But what’s truly shocking is how frequently prisons and jails in this country use this practice.  Nearly all of wrongly convicted that I’ve spoken with have their own disturbing story about time spent in solitary confinement. We are relieved that Congress has decided to shine a light on this far too common practice, and we hope that the voices of the exonerated will be useful as Congress and others develop meaningful reforms to stem its use.”

    The Innocence Project submitted personal statements on behalf of the following:

    Julie Rea was wrongly imprisoned for three years in Illinois before being exonerated in 2006.  She describes that she was placed in solitary to keep her from harming herself and was then tormented by prison guards who played a recording of a woman being tortured to prevent her from sleeping.

    Cornelius Dupree, who was exonerated by DNA after spending 30 years in Texas prisons for a crime he didn’t commit, details receiving one complete meal only every three days when he was placed in solitary.  The other two days he received a spoonful each of rice and beans and a roll.

    Robert Dewey, exonerated in 2012 after spending 17 years in Colorado prisons for a crime DNA proved he didn’t commit, was placed in solitary because the medication he was prescribed after back surgery caused him to fail a drug test.  While in solitary, he was denied medication on the schedule his doctors had prescribed.

    Nicholas James Yarris spent 23 years in solitary confinement on death row in Pennsylvania before he was exonerated by DNA in 2003.  While incarcerated he attempted suicide and a year before he was finally freed asked that he be executed rather than continue to be held in “endless degradation.”

    Clarence Elkins describes being numb when he was finally released after being wrongly imprisoned in Ohio for 6 ½ years because he had spent the last three months in solitary confinement to “protect” him from the real perpetrator who committed the crime in his case and was incarcerated in the prison.

    Herman Atkins spent 16 months in solitary confinement during the 11 years he was wrongly imprisoned in California before DNA proved his innocence.  He describes being confined to a small windowless room with a light always on to allow correction officers to watch him at all times, and says, “When a government has the authority to treat people so poorly, it’s impossible to hold citizens to a higher standard.”


    Wrongly Convicted Tell Congress about the Inhumane Treatment They Suffered in Solitary Confinement
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #116 - June 26, 2012, 08:39 PM

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    One put death wrongly is one to many.


    She's saying that nobody should ever be put to death wrongly, ie even one is too many.

    That's the bottom line really.  The criminal justice system - like all human endeavours - is subject to human error.  So the only way to ensure nobody is ever put to death wrongly is stop putting people to death altogether.

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  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #117 - June 26, 2012, 09:08 PM

     Cheesy, then what the hell I'm babling for all these time, I thought lynna supported death sentences,  wacko
  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #118 - June 26, 2012, 09:33 PM

    Cheesy, then what the hell I'm babling for all these time, I thought lynna supported death sentences,  wacko


    It's. Okay Paranoid some people think I support it because I say "For some situations it is more humane to have death then life in prison especially if that life sentence will be in maximum lock down."

    That is what I was going to ask you when you go on with you life do you ever think about how people in prison live?

    Do you want to write directly to an offender?

    I will tell you how and give you safe man to write to.


    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

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  • Re: Death Penalty
     Reply #119 - June 27, 2012, 07:46 PM

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    It's. Okay Paranoid some people think I support it because I say "For some situations it is more humane to have death then life in prison especially if that life sentence will be in maximum lock down."


    Yeah, I read that, but you aren't giving any of your ideas on that matter, a solutions, ideas, despite all these opinion

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    That is what I was going to ask you when you go on with you life do you ever think about how people in prison live?


    I do, but still, I don't live in one

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    Do you want to write directly to an offender?

    I will tell you how and give you safe man to write to


    I'm in no conditions to write a letter lynna, but do convey his thoughts here
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