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  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #150 - October 08, 2011, 01:49 PM

    it's a conspiracy! they want us to stop thinking they're controlling wall street!


    More from the conspiracy...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zCqHnd_pY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wtHTh6NZXc
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #151 - October 08, 2011, 02:17 PM

    aww... poor chomsky. the happiness is glimmering in his eyes.
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #152 - October 08, 2011, 02:59 PM

    Quote
    Black 'Occupy' Protesters Start 'Occupy The Hood'

    Supporting Occupy Wall Street, Occupy The Hood seeks to recruit, educate blacks and Latinos

    The racial makeup of the Occupy Wall Street protests has been a curious, if not ironic fact of the movement; on the whole, 'Occupy' encourages openness and inclusion -- but has been almost exclusively white.

    If it’s up to a growing number volunteers calling themselves Occupy The Hood, that won’t be the case for much longer.

    Founded by Malik Rhasaan, 39 of Queens, N.Y., and Ife Johari Uhuru, 35, based in Detroit, @OccupyTheHood has close to 3,500 followers on Twitter, the growing support of notable figures and a cadre of volunteers devoted to getting the word out about the cause of the protests to African Americans and Latinos.

    Loop21.com
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #153 - October 08, 2011, 03:09 PM

     Afro

    If this spreads to working class communities and communities of color that's fucking huge. I do think, however, at some point some centralized leadership needs to develop out of this-- despite the risks that will bring (infiltration and co-opting by the ruling class, and factional squabbles)-- ideally the various groups and individuals should call for a Constitutional Convention to establish a third US republic, write a new constitution for a workers republic and start electing an interim government-- doubt that will happen but would be way cool if it did.

    fuck you
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #154 - October 08, 2011, 03:19 PM

    That sounds like a good idea, but I think the structure should be federalist and decentralized.
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #155 - October 08, 2011, 03:57 PM

    Well, when I said centralized, I just meant relative to what it is now.

    fuck you
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #156 - October 08, 2011, 07:01 PM

    Bank run as a form of protest

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRXCuAEu_PM

    The reasoning behind it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZh-LOVIci8
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #157 - October 09, 2011, 11:31 AM

    'From Liberation Square to Washington Square'
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #158 - October 10, 2011, 06:55 PM

    http://www.tauntr.com/blog/occupy-sesame-street-gets-violent

    fuck you
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #159 - October 10, 2011, 07:30 PM



    Yes, bank runs are known throughout history for their capabilities of solving economic crises; this guy definitely knows what he's talking about  Afro

    <dust>: i love tea!!!
    <dust>: milky tea
    <three>: soooo gentle for my neck (from the inside)
    <dust>: mm
    <three>: it's definitely not called neck
    <dust>: lol
    <three>: what's the word i'm looking for
    <dust>: throat
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #160 - October 11, 2011, 03:01 AM

    The guy is being overly simplistic, but there are alternatives to the big banks for the common consumer/saver/investor. I certainly don't disagree with his overall premise of financial boycott as a viable first step towards change.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #161 - October 11, 2011, 03:50 PM

    Yes, bank runs are known throughout history for their capabilities of solving economic crises; this guy definitely knows what he's talking about  Afro


    I personally believe this is a collapse and not a 'crisis' so the choice is between a fast collapse and a slow collapse.

    This guy is also of the opinion that the global economy is irreparably broken, and so is advocating a revolution/fast crash as opposed to the governments way of transferring the problems from the corporations/banks to the citizens via bailouts.
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #162 - October 11, 2011, 04:10 PM



    He looks quite well-preserved for a member of the undead.
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #163 - October 11, 2011, 05:19 PM

    I personally believe this is a collapse and not a 'crisis' so the choice is between a fast collapse and a slow collapse.

    This guy is also of the opinion that the global economy is irreparably broken, and so is advocating a revolution/fast crash as opposed to the governments way of transferring the problems from the corporations/banks to the citizens via bailouts.


    His opinion is not enough for such drastic measures. I'd leave it to economic commentators to learn how these issues can be solved - before taking dangerous and irreversible steps. Or are we heading towards a "they're in on it" conspiracy type of thing too?

    <dust>: i love tea!!!
    <dust>: milky tea
    <three>: soooo gentle for my neck (from the inside)
    <dust>: mm
    <three>: it's definitely not called neck
    <dust>: lol
    <three>: what's the word i'm looking for
    <dust>: throat
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #164 - October 11, 2011, 05:50 PM

    His opinion is not enough for such drastic measures. I'd leave it to economic commentators to learn how these issues can be solved - before taking dangerous and irreversible steps. Or are we heading towards a "they're in on it" conspiracy type of thing too?


    I don't trust the majority of economic commentators because A) the majority didn't foresee the '08 economic meltdown B) the majority advocate an economic model based on exponential growth in a finite world, rather than a steady state economy. IMO the majority seem to be incompetent and irrational.

    I think putting our trust in the 'experts' when the majority have demonstrated they are incompetent is foolish. There were many however people in neoclassical and Austrian economics, peak oil and sustainability movement who have been trying warning people for years that our debt based growth system will reach it's apex one day.

    The strategy that the government are stubbornly following since '08 is bailouts and QE, transferring the problem from the corporations/financial institutions to the middle and working class. Legendary investor Jim Rogers (who predicted the meltdown of '08) calls it socialism for the rich - Privatizing wealth but socializing losses.

    It seems they will continue this strategy year in year out even though it clearly isn't fundamentally solving anything, and is only benefiting the few (and that's why people are pissed off).

    "If they get free money so should you!!!" (love this guy dance)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7GFBoUXHv0
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #165 - October 11, 2011, 05:56 PM

    socialism for the rich - Privatizing wealth but socializing losses.


    This is exactly correct, this has been the policy of neoliberals like George W. Bush and Barack Obama, and all their friends in multinational corporations and the financial industry.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #166 - October 11, 2011, 06:21 PM

    November 5th "bank transfer day"...

    ”together we can ensure that these banking institutions will ALWAYS remember the 5th of November!! If the 99% removes our funds from the major banking institutions on or by this date, we will send a clear message and give the 1% a taste of the fear that we experience every day when we aren't able to pay for our rent, food, medication, utilities, student loans, etc."

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/44800021/Occupy_Wall_Street_Backs_a_Nationwide_Boycott_Against_Banks
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #167 - October 12, 2011, 04:12 PM

    I'd leave it to economic commentators to learn how these issues can be solved


     Cheesy Yeah cause decades of neoliberal dogma from those same economic commentators has helped us out SOOOOOO much! Gimme a break. The mainstream economists you find in the media and advising governments are the same assholes who for years have been telling us what's good for the rich and what's good for Wall Street is good for workers-- it's a fuckin lie.

    fuck you
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #168 - October 12, 2011, 07:12 PM

    November 5th "bank transfer day"...

    ”together we can ensure that these banking institutions will ALWAYS remember the 5th of November!! If the 99% removes our funds from the major banking institutions on or by this date, we will send a clear message and give the 1% a taste of the fear that we experience every day when we aren't able to pay for our rent, food, medication, utilities, student loans, etc."

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/44800021/Occupy_Wall_Street_Backs_a_Nationwide_Boycott_Against_Banks



    This is an awful idea. Banks only keep 10% of deposits on their books. This means that if 10% of the population withdraw their money and the bank goes bust, then 90% of the population lose all their deposits.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #169 - October 12, 2011, 07:17 PM

    Wrong, all bank accounts are FDIC insured up to $250k-- this was developed precisely because of bank runs at the start of the Great Depression.

    fuck you
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #170 - October 12, 2011, 07:24 PM

    That may be the case in America, but I thought this was a world-wide call for a bank run?
    In the UK at least, the Prime Minister had to make a personal guarantee that all bank accounts will be insured up to 100k pounds when there was a bank run on Northern Rock a couple of years ago, and subsequent nationalisation of that bank. I don't know the full details but I doubt the PM would say such a thing if legislation already existed to guarantee the deposits of everyone.
    Besides which, govts do their banking the same way as the banks. If ALL the banks are emptied where is the govt going to get the money from to guarantee everyone's deposits? If they just start printing it then a bank run could easily be followed by hyper-inflation and all that jazz.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #171 - October 12, 2011, 07:26 PM

    Eh, just sounds like an argument against capitalism in general to me, and anything that hastens its demise if fine by me.

    fuck you
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #172 - October 12, 2011, 07:47 PM

    I also am not in favour of capitalism. However, I think it's a very serious decision to make when you are playing with that many people's life savings.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #173 - October 13, 2011, 03:52 AM




    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #174 - October 13, 2011, 04:13 AM

    Wrong, all bank accounts are FDIC insured up to $250k-- this was developed precisely because of bank runs at the start of the Great Depression.


    But to insure 90% of deposits it would cause hyper inflation.......everyones savings would become worthless, and then what?
    Honestly, unless you want to start from scratch with some Maoish famine followed by the great anarchy communist revolution, I dont really see that getting off the ground.
    Sorry, but nobody wants communism and all that entails, because it much worst on every level. Ya we all want a square deal, but nobody wants piss ant commissars taking away their economic liberty.

    Nothing wrong with capitalism so long as there are regulations and responsibility. If anything you should be fighting for that, because the lack of regulation and responsibility is the real problem, not Keynesian economics in general.


    Or to put it another way, you'd do yourself much better to take a page from Theodore Roosevelt when he went trust busting, than the IWW or something...

    I'll get you started:
    Quote
    Our aim is not to do away with corporations; on the contrary, these big aggregations are an inevitable development of modern industrialism, and the effort to destroy them would be futile unless accomplished in ways that would work the utmost mischief to the entire body politic. We can do nothing of good in the way of regulating and supervising these corporations until we fix clearly in our minds that we are not attacking the corporations, but endeavoring to do away with any evil in them. We are not hostile to them; we are merely determined that they shall be so handled as to subserve the public good. We draw the line against misconduct, not against wealth.

        State of the Union address (2 December 1902)


    Read a lot better, makes a lot more sense, and people would actually be receptive to it, as opposed to something like

    Quote
    Instead of the conservative motto, "A fair day's wage for a fair day's work," we must inscribe on our banner the revolutionary watchword, "Abolition of the wage system."

    It is the historic mission of the working class to do away with capitalism. The army of production must be organized, not only for everyday struggle with capitalists, but also to carry on production when capitalism shall have been overthrown. By organizing industrially we are forming the structure of the new society within the shell of the old.


    Which is just flapidoodle

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #175 - October 13, 2011, 10:07 AM

    Sorry, but nobody wants communism and all that entails, because it much worst on every level.


    Please provide evidence for this statement, and also clarify what you mean by "communism." Thanks.

    Quote
    Nothing wrong with capitalism so long as there are regulations and responsibility. If anything you should be fighting for that, because the lack of regulation and responsibility is the real problem, not Keynesian economics in general.


    1. Significant regulation only developed under threat of socialist revolution and general economic and social upheaval. As far as I'm concerned the historical evidence for this is beyond question, and there are only a few exceptions.

    2. Regulation is temporary-- once the capitalist class no longer feels its own existence is threatened, it reorganizes and reasserts its political and social power to the detriment of labor. What do you think has been happening for the last several decades? It started in the 1970s then greatly accelerated after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.

    Quote
    Or to put it another way, you'd do yourself much better to take a page from Theodore Roosevelt when he went trust busting, than the IWW or something...

    I'll get you started:
    Read a lot better, makes a lot more sense, and people would actually be receptive to it, as opposed to something like

    Which is just flapidoodle


    "Trust-busting" was a failure. The IWW was right.

    fuck you
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #176 - October 13, 2011, 02:01 PM

    I AM NOT MOVING!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfhOPCPJnE
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #177 - October 13, 2011, 02:26 PM

    A social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the state.

    It's not going to happen, as even the communists dont even try to communists anymore (hell, China is more capitalist than capitalists these days, going with some confucius crypto fascism or something instead).......but more to the point nobody would want that either. People like private property and wages. You're not going to be running a modern country like a steel workers union either.
    I mean what does "Abolition of the wage system."" even mean? We get paid in government issued socks and salted fish? You can have the socks in any color you choose so long as it's black?
    and  there is no such thing as 'collectively owning' anything. There will always be bosses, and renaming them 'the peoples' captain or something doesnt change that. It typically makes it worst and more authoritarian and oppressive. Anarchy consensus decision making using Jazz hands works out ok with a small group of like minded people sitting together in a park, on a marcro scale not so much.

    Economic liberalism has plenty of pit falls. One major one being that you can totally fail on your ass. For example, I saved for years to be able to go back to school....at 30.  I might bomb bad (so far so good). I might not be successful, or I might be, but I am glad I can take that risk. If I fail, then off to the steel mill with me. Still better than not having the choice and off to the steel mill with me anyways.  
    There is the grievance that many will fail, and those in the steel mill need protection too. After all, liberty does not mean freedom if your choice is slavery or starvation.
    That's why I am not promoting laissez faire either, and I certainly would not say that the square deal or New Deals failed at all.......You have to keep up with them not be complacent, and have regulation and responsibility, because you are right that when those things are missing the hamburglers will come back.

    Granted we are coming from two different points of view here, I'm more functionalist as opposed to a conflict theorist, but at the end of the day I think the argument is very easy to make that Churchill was right about it being the worst form of gov­ern­ment, except for all the oth­ers.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #178 - October 13, 2011, 02:26 PM

    This is an awful idea. Banks only keep 10% of deposits on their books. This means that if 10% of the population withdraw their money and the bank goes bust, then 90% of the population lose all their deposits.


    Slow collapse

    Pros; more time to prepare for the collapse physically and psychologically. And the ability to become gradually accustomed to the decline of the economy, and rising crime.

    Cons; continued bailouts which passes the debts onto the taxpayers and contributes to inflation, and continued QE which leads to increased inflation. Basically the 99% are being suffocated slowly without the majority realizing it.

    It also leads to a neglect of infrastructure, and some people believing that somehow, someway the government will solve the problems, and things will go back to normal rather than realizing we have to radically change how we organize society because the system is collapsing.

    Fast collapse  

    Pros; infrastructure remaining in tact, and the majority of people realize that we have to radically alter how we've organize society (hopefully).

    Cons; Very little time to become accustomed to the rapid decline of the economy, and subsequent crime increases. Less time to prepare personally, and the majority of society is ill-prepared.

    Either way we screwed - it seems only now that people in the west realize how badly we are being fucked over.

    I guarantee they will simply continue with bailouts, QE and cuts year after year. If anyone want's a look at what our probable future is like look at Greece, and Argentina in 2001.

    I personally think a fast collapse (within the space of a year or 2) is the lesser of 2 challenging situations. But things seem to the be indicating that the we've got a major crash coming up in the near future anyway (possibly before the end of the year).

    Inflation is a tax
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4yBrxmEOkY


  • Re: Occupy Wall Street protests
     Reply #179 - October 18, 2011, 03:24 PM


    fuck you
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