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 Topic: The State of the Union

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  • The State of the Union
     OP - October 04, 2011, 04:30 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mAUQYn6DjM
  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #1 - October 05, 2011, 02:58 AM

    The State of the Union:

    Not quite as bad as this dude thinks.

    how fuck works without shit??


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  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #2 - October 05, 2011, 03:34 AM

    The State of the Union:

    It's quite shitty.

  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #3 - October 05, 2011, 03:35 AM

    "balance the fucking budget, b"

    Cheesy

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #4 - October 05, 2011, 04:33 AM

    The State of the Union:

    It's quite shitty.




    First of all, in spite of all our budget woes global investors still flock to t-bills as a fall back in times of market uncertainty like now. This wouldn't be the case if the full faith and credit of the US government wasn't securely in tact.

    Try being a Greek citizen, and then get back to me about fiscal irresponsibility and government credit woes.

    how fuck works without shit??


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  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #5 - October 05, 2011, 04:37 AM

    Methinks comparing your government to the Greek is a new level of low.
  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #6 - October 05, 2011, 04:46 AM

    Wait wut? The dude was talking about a credit score of 350.

    Fact is US is almost by default at the top of any such world governments rating. I mentioned Greece because thats a case of real fiscal irresponsibility coming to bite citizens in the ass. In the US its still just political theater at this point, albeit woefully imprudent and irresponsible political theater.

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  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #7 - October 05, 2011, 04:47 AM

    Political theater? Really? So you're saying people haven't been affected by it? Which rock are you living under?
  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #8 - October 05, 2011, 04:50 AM

    Do you even understand which issue in American politics this guy is referring to?

    I can't think that a significant portion of the American populace are being affected by this, no. Certainly not in the short term.

    how fuck works without shit??


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  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #9 - October 05, 2011, 04:51 AM

    If you say so.
  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #10 - October 05, 2011, 04:55 AM

    First of all, in spite of all our budget woes global investors still flock to t-bills as a fall back in times of market uncertainty like now. This wouldn't be the case if the full faith and credit of the US government wasn't securely in tact.




    I wonder what choice those creditors have except to trust that the US will make it out of this mess? If you are owed $14tn you're not exactly going to give up on it.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #11 - October 05, 2011, 05:01 AM

    There's already significant pressure from business interests for Congress to stop playing games with this default shit. Congress can and will continue to raise the debt ceiling whenever they choose to. Massive deficits have been a part of American government for the better part of the last three decades in both good and bad economic times. A significant federal debt has been around since the founding of this nation. The ramifications of rapid expansion of this debt is certainly an important long term issue, but not a need for a "sky is falling" type of narrative in the short term.

    how fuck works without shit??


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  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #12 - October 05, 2011, 05:07 AM

    I wonder what choice those creditors have except to trust that the US will make it out of this mess? If you are owed $14tn you're not exactly going to give up on it.



    Individual creditors certainly have and do exercise the option to diversify their investments. They obviously aren't each owed $14 tn.  mysmilie_977

    The only creditor I can think of that has such a comparatively large stake is China. Their economic relationship with us is rather complex though and I think outside the scope of this discussion. Suffice it to say, your above rationale does not explain why more global investors are putting their faith in the credit worthiness of the US government in the current market.

    how fuck works without shit??


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  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #13 - October 05, 2011, 05:18 AM

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    So, how does this affect the owner/manager of the emerging business? In many ways!

    First, approximately 20 cents out of every dollar of total tax revenue collected is immediately used merely to pay the burgeoning interest on the Federal debt. This is now surpassing the costs for our entire defense establishment, and it is exceeded only by the revenues needed to fund the total Medicare and Medicaid programs. (Ostensibly, Social Security is funded independently; about $4.0 trillion of the total debt are funds borrowed from the Social Security and Medicare surpluses.) We are held hostage by this horrendous debt; 20 cents is the ransom to be paid out of every dollar we must deliver in taxes.

    Thus, absolutely no governmental services or benefits are delivered in return for 20 percent of our total Federal tax bill. These are substantial funds that could most prudently be re-invested in the growth of our own business, but must be shoveled out instead simply to service the interest on the Federal debt. These substantial funds are diverted by Government fiat from potentially constructive economic investments in one's own enterprise into barren interest payments to the world of strangers who hold these obligations of the Treasury of the United States.

    And secondly, the spending power of our present and potential customers would be increased dramatically if this sterile 20 percent of our total tax bill that is immediately swallowed by interest payments could only be freed for the purchase of goods and services. [Approximately half of all individual income taxes are required to pay the interest on the Federal debt.] While some of the recipients of these interest payments may recycle these funds into the purchase of domestic goods and services from emerging businesses, much of the Federal debt is held by foreigners. A substantial portion of the income of the average family of four is being devoured to pay the interest on this "family debt" equivalent to $160,000. Thus, the Federal debt is a heavy drag on the economy, impeding job creation and entrepreneurial expansion as well as consumer spending on goods and services.

    How does the national debt affect the owner/manager of the emerging business? It drains substantial funds out of the business that could otherwise be invested in job creation and entrepreneurial expansion. And it drains substantial funds out of consumers' pockets that could otherwise be available for the acquisition of goods and services. While it may not be observable, the national debt casts an oppressive pall upon the whole economy. And this burden inevitably impedes the growth and prosperity of the emerging business.

    http://www.businessforum.com/debt01.html
  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #14 - October 05, 2011, 05:18 AM

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    Obama’s $3.7 Trillion Budget Calls for Military Spending Increases and Deep Cuts to Social Service Programs

    President Obama has unveiled a budget plan seeking to trim the federal deficit by cutting or eliminating some 200 federal programs, many dedicated to social services and education, while increasing military spending and funding for the construction of nuclear power plants. Announcing his $3.7 trillion proposal, Obama touted his previously stated pledge to freeze funding for domestic programs outside of the military for five years. Obama’s plan includes two modest tax hikes for banks and oil companies. It also calls for ending the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans in 2013 and returning the estate tax to its higher 2009 levels. For analysis of Obama’s proposed budget, we are joined by John Nichols, Washington correspondent for The Nation magazine. [includes rush transcript]

    http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/15/obamas_37_trillion_budget_calls_for
  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #15 - October 05, 2011, 05:19 AM

    This just in:

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    House passes CR funding government programs through Nov. 18
    October 04, 2011

    The House today voted 352-66 to approve a continuing resolution funding federal programs through Nov. 18, preventing a government shutdown when the previous CR expires tonight. The bipartisan agreement, which now goes to the president for his signature, reduces funding for most federal programs by 1.5% over the period to comply with limits on non-emergency discretionary spending included in last month's Budget Control Act. It also provides a $2.65 billion down payment toward fiscal year 2012 disaster relief funding for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Congressional appropriators must still reach agreement on legislation to fund federal programs for the rest of FY 2012, which began Oct. 1.

    http://www.ahanews.com/ahanews_app/jsp/display.jsp?dcrpath=AHANEWS/AHANewsNowArticle/data/ann_100411_CR&domain=AHANEWS
  • Re: The State of the Union
     Reply #16 - October 05, 2011, 05:19 AM

    I like how dude insinuated that the President of the United States of America runs on CP time.  Cheesy

    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
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