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  • Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     OP - October 07, 2011, 12:40 PM

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    Hundreds of Afghans marched through Kabul on Thursday, the eve of the 10-year anniversary of the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan, to condemn the United States as occupiers and demand the immediate withdrawal of all foreign troops.

    About 300 men and women gathered early in the morning with placards and banners accusing the United States of "massacring" civilians while denouncing President Hamid Karzai as a puppet subservient to Washington.

    "Occupation - atrocities - brutality," read one sign, held aloft by two women with scarves covering their head and face.

    "No to occupation" said another placard, as a U.S. flag was set on fire. Another banner featured a caricature of Karzai as a glove puppet holding a pen and signing a document entitled "promises to the USA."

    The rally, near a shrine and river in downtown Kabul, lasted around three hours, and ended peacefully.

    Karzai became Afghanistan's leader in June 2002, seven months after Northern Alliance forces supported by the United States entered Kabul and drove the Taliban regime from power.

    Karzai won subsequent elections in 2005 and 2009.

    "Ten years since the invasion, all we have seen is suffering, instability and poverty in our country," said protest organizer Hafizullah Rasikh.

    One picture that featured prominently was that of U.S. soldier Andrew Holmes posing with the corpse of an unarmed teenage Afghan villager who he had gunned down. He was sentenced to seven years in prison for the 2010 murder.

    This year has seen record levels of civilian casualties and although about 80 percent were caused by insurgents, killings by foreign forces, tend to spark more vocal public anger.

    The United States bears the brunt of criticism of the Western presence in Afghanistan.

    "The bloodshed I see in this country is the result of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. After the invaders leave, our country will be peaceful," shouted one man on a loudspeaker.


    http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/10/06/afghans-hold-anti-u-s-rally-on-eve-of-war-anniversary.html

    Why don't they just GTFO? Its quite obvious they've failed to subdue Afghans for whatever 'reasons' they had. This whole drama with Pakistan that seems to be escalating day by day is just a way of taking the spotlight of their own failures.
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #1 - October 07, 2011, 01:15 PM

    they are not white and therefore do not know what's best for them. fuckin barbarians.
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #2 - October 07, 2011, 01:22 PM

    Afghanistan :( .  Every one thinks it's their back yard, except for the people actually living there.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #3 - October 07, 2011, 01:22 PM

    do they think its their front yard?
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #4 - October 07, 2011, 01:31 PM

    Sure.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #5 - October 07, 2011, 01:49 PM

    http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/10/06/afghans-hold-anti-u-s-rally-on-eve-of-war-anniversary.html

    Why don't they just GTFO? Its quite obvious they've failed to subdue Afghans for whatever 'reasons' they had. This whole drama with Pakistan that seems to be escalating day by day is just a way of taking the spotlight of their own failures.

    well I agree with that Aphrodite

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPiMsPUhDT4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTuJDqAQEq0


    US of A  is getting so many billions of dollars from Afghanistan and Pakistan, They should leave that area alone  to  let the Russians/Chinese/Pakistanis/Indians/Iranians/Afghans/Cats/Rats/baboons  deal with their problem.. US should deal with its own terror problem with in their territory..  

    But I am happy at least  Afghan women and men  learned to protest  instead of acting  like hoard of sheep

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #6 - October 07, 2011, 01:55 PM

     
    they are not white and therefore do not know what's best for them. fuckin barbarians.

    You mean they are NOT German Blondes?? Abood you are acting like as if you have not seen any Afghan  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JTR9MUS98A

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #7 - October 07, 2011, 01:57 PM

    that's some good dancing music. dance
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #8 - October 07, 2011, 01:59 PM

    that's some good dancing music. dance

    Give the freedom of expression to people .. Music/Dance will explode and engulf every country of this planet from that area

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NExi28WAesQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm_minmsLSM

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #9 - October 07, 2011, 02:04 PM

    hallelujah! dance yourself to freedom! Ozonedance
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #10 - October 07, 2011, 09:53 PM

    US had 'frighteningly simplistic' view of Afghanistan, says McChrystal

    General who led Obama's 'surge' strategy says even now the military does not have the local knowledge to end the conflict

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/07/us-frighteningly-simplistic-afghanistan-mcchrystal?newsfeed=true

    Its amazing how the rhetoric changes once they're no longer involved  Roll Eyes
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #11 - October 07, 2011, 10:07 PM

    What do people think will happen in Afghanistan after NATO pulls out in 2014?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #12 - October 08, 2011, 12:19 AM

    Its amazing how the rhetoric changes once they're no longer involved  Roll Eyes


    Well, they're soldiers. They aren't allowed to publicly dissent on foreign policy while in service.

    What do people think will happen in Afghanistan after NATO pulls out in 2014?


    Stuff.

    fuck you
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #13 - October 08, 2011, 04:10 AM

    Very well-spoken and articulate message by Malalai Joya.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8aSBeiF1bU
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #14 - October 08, 2011, 05:08 AM

    Very well-spoken and articulate message by Malalai Joya.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8aSBeiF1bU

    Though I admire her and wrote innumerable times in support of her, she seems to understand very little of war dynamics in Afghanistan. She stands nowhere in Afghan politics. Often she acts as a one woman warrior   without any war plans or public support with-in Afghanistan. Some time back she wrote in that U.K news Paper "Kill teams in Afghanistan: the truth"  on 30 Mar 2011
    Quote
    :  Malalai Joya:..............

    I must report that Afghans do not believe this to be a story of a few rogue soldiers. We believe that the brutal actions of these "kill teams" reveal the aggression and racism which is part and parcel of the entire military occupation. .........

    The "kill team" images will come as a shock to many outside Afghanistan but not to us. We have seen countless incidents of American and Nato forces killing innocent people like birds.

    The occupying armies have tried to buy off the families of their victims, offering $2,000 for each one killed. Afghans' lives are cheap for the US and Nato, but no matter how much they offer, we don't want their blood money.

    In every article she wrote and and every talk she talks in west and other foreign countries She rains angry words against US of A as if Taliban were the best rulers of that country.   reading her articles such as

    The big lie of Afghanistan_Friday 24 July 2009

    A troop surge can only magnify the crime against Afghanistan_30 November 2009

    Any hope I had in the ballot box bringing change in Afghanistan is gone

    Many of her articles and videos rains insults against US/Nato troops

    Quote
    “In my country, the result of the foreign policy of Barack Obama, the surge, is more massacres,” she says. Since 2001, the United States has pushed Afghanistan “from the frying pan into the fire,” and to those who argue that the United States must stay in Afghanistan to prevent women from being victimized by the Taliban and other, socially conservative Afghanistan Islamists, she says: “War will never help Afghan women.”


    Well Yes war will not help Afghanistan, I agree with that.. But I am not sure Either Burkha with Taliban rule will help Afghanistan.    this is her most recent interview

    Quote
    Miles Ashdown: Ms. Malalai Joya, thank you for your time. Let’s start by talking about NATO’s occupation of Afghanistan. You’ve called for the complete withdrawal of foreign troops from your homeland. Tell me why.

    Malalai Joya: Because now my people, they’re squashed between two powerful enemies. From the sky, occupation forces are bombing, killing civilians – mostly women and children. On the ground, Taliban and warlords together continue their fascism. The US and NATO occupy my country under the name of all beautiful banners of democracy, women’s rights, human rights. And for this long time, they shed the blood of our people under the name of war on terror but now they invite Taliban, these terrorists, also to join the government, as now they have secret meetings with these terrorists. It’s better [for the US and NATO] to leave Afghanistan then; it’s much easier for us to fight one enemy instead of two.

    MA: General David Petraeus, the commander of US forces in Afghanistan, said in late August that the Taliban are expanding their footprint across the country. Do you expect the Taliban would re-gain control of the country?

    MJ: Professor Marc Herold recently gave a report that about in almost 80 percent of Afghanistan, Taliban are already in power. But US is also happy that now, for example, Pakistan government support Taliban and also Iran’s fascist regime. Mainly through Pakistan, they support the Taliban these nine years and still they do. Because as much as the situation of Afghanistan will be more insecure and there will be more disaster then they will have good excuse for people around the world to stay long in Afghanistan, because of their own strategy, regional and economic trust.

    MA: In your talks, you’ve been saying that the Taliban should not be in power and neither should the US and NAT O forces be occupying your country. However, a poll conducted late last year by the BBC showed 70 percent of Afghans do support the presence of American troops. How do you explain this?

    MJ: You know it’s not only a military war in Afghanistan. This is a war of propaganda as well. Because mainstream media in the hand of these wrong politicians, war mongers, so-called politicians who always try to give to the people a picture that this is a good war in Afghanistan. As always, they say war in Afghanistan is good war, war in Iraq is bad. So this kind of survey, only these so-called politicians, or the journalists who they send out – just a couple in some big cities – they ask for some people from the pro-war people of Afghanistan. These are dishonest politicians who, from this occupation, got fame and wealth. So they never say the truth.

    MA: The United States Agency for International Development, USAID, has spent more than four billion dollars on development projects since 2002. Has it made a difference?
    MJ: Most of this money went into the pockets of the war lords, drug lords, these criminals, and even directly and indirectly to the Taliban. Now for example this dramatization is another new enemy of our people that day by day makes wider the gap between rich and poor. There are a lot of Afghan and foreign NGOs. Most of these NGOs are also corrupt. So through different ways, they are receiving millions of dollars from the so-called international community under the name of orphans, widows, reconstruction. But most of the money goes into the pocket of them and that’s why today more than 80 percent of people of Afghanistan live below the poverty line and they don’t have enough food to eat. In this kind of situation, millions of dollars are spent for non-democratic elections as we had [in September].

    MA: You’ve spoken out against President Barack Obama, and he has pledged to start withdrawing NATO troops in July of next year. Do you expect him to fulfill that promise? Or will there be a situation like Iraq, where foreign troops remain as so-called “non-combat troops” yet are still involved in combat?

    MJ: You know, these are empty promises. As we know the history of the US government that not only in Afghanistan but in many other countries since Second World War, that the US the destroyed democratic regimes, governments, and brought to power dictators. They have their own evil plans in Afghanistan. They will not leave Afghanistan anytime soon. We wish [them] to leave Afghanistan, even now is better than tomorrow, because democracy never comes by war, by cluster bombs, by occupation, by bombings, especially with the support of the sworn enemy of these values. These nine years they shed the blood of their own soldiers, but now they invite these terrorist Taliban under the name of peace to bring them also in power, which makes no sense.

    MA: There are some positive signs coming out of Afghanistan. Since 2001, there’s been a seven-fold increase of children going to school – from one million to seven million. More than 90 percent of Afghans now have access to healthcare; in 2001, it was just 10 percent. The constitution grants men and women equality, at least under the law. The children and maternal mortality rates have also been steadily dropping, thanks in part to midwife training programs. Some say a NATO withdrawal means abandoning Afghan women and human rights. What’s your response?

    MJ: You know there are those people who support the war in Afghanistan who are pro-war, who got fame and wealth from this occupation. Of course, to have good excuse for their occupation, they build some schools [which] we didn’t have in the dark period of the Taliban. They build some hospitals while billions of dollars were given under the name of health, reconstruction, etc. But some money they use, through their TVs, to show to the people around the world and to mainstream media that we are doing a good job. There’s no question we need helping hand. We need hospitals. We need clinics. We need streets. We need reconstruction of Afghanistan, especially education. We have a lot of orphans and widows. But the money does not go in the right direction. The money does not go to benefit these millions of poor, suffering people of my country.

    MA: Can this development continue without security?

    MJ: Of course, security is even more important than food and water for our people. But by presence of tens of thousands of troops in Afghanistan, even in Kabul we don’t have security.

    MA: Do you think that conditions for women will improve or deteriorate if Taliban take over Afghanistan?

    MJ: You know at least the troops will leave Afghanistan. As long as these troops will be in Afghanistan, their government [will] continue … to do the wrong thing, giving more dollars, more power, more guns to these misogynist terrorists, so the situation of the women will be more disastrous, more bloody. Now they invite these terrorists to join the government.

    MA: Ms. Joya, you’ve been called the bravest woman in Afghanistan and you’re certainly one of the most outspoken women in your country. Why do you speak out – here in Vancouver and elsewhere around the world?

    MJ: I’m coming here as my supporters invite me and they pay all expenses, organize public events especially, [and] do some interviews with some democratic-minded journalists that tell the message of our people; to condemn this war…and now it becomes open secret for people around the world. But it’s not enough. We need more solidarity and support. Just for one or two days we are coming and bringing the message, but we are leaving. And [the people in the countries I visit] are the ones who should continue to this struggle, put more pressure on their government and meet with some democratic politicians of their country.

    I am not very certain she can live in Afghanistan the way it is now without the presence of US/NATO troops.    The fact she says she is campaigning for Human rights in an Islamic country  means she is out of Islamic politics.  There she can only campaign for  ISLAMIC RIGHTS for women,  not Human rights for women folks.  And she should know what Islamic rights means  in an Islamic country like Afghanistan in the present situation.. a burkha and be a  4th wife for a 60/70 year old Mullah..

    Off course I still admire her a lot and I will give full support to replace the present Afghan Govt if she is capable of getting support from Afghan Public.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #15 - October 08, 2011, 05:25 AM

    And today's news on that land of hills with full of baboons from all over the Islamic world  says  Nato claims killing 25 militants in assault on US bases

    Quote
    KABUL: Nato said Saturday that at least 25 insurgents were killed during the largest coordinated insurgent attack on military bases in the eastern Afghan province of Paktika since 2009.

    The attacks targeted US-led troops near the border with Pakistan on Friday as Afghanistan and the United States marked the 10th anniversary of the US bombing campaign that forced the Taliban from power in late 2001.

    A spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said one soldier was lightly wounded when a car bomb exploded about 300 metres from the outer wall of Combat Outpost Margah.

    The military said air strikes and gunfire killed at least 25 insurgents during the attacks in the Gormal, Sarobi and Barmal districts of Paktika.

    There was no immediate independent confirmation of the death toll.

    Eastern Afghanistan is one of the main flashpoints in the 10-year Taliban insurgency.

     
    And Obama vows to implement his Afghan plan

    And I am not really sure what his plan is..   Bush Plan was better.. At least he didn't Target Pakistan..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #16 - October 08, 2011, 05:27 AM

    Perhaps.  There are plenty of people who are focused on the American occupation of Afghanistan as a criminal act regardless of the regional context of Afghanistan, but they do have they have a point.   Ms. Malalai Joya's idea that if the US left the democracy activists would lead in Afghanistan is 100% naive but somewhat justified in that the American occupation makes some weak nominations of human rights etc while killing a lot of civilians so naturally people will tie "human rights" etc with unjust occupation.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #17 - October 08, 2011, 05:30 AM

    I think we can say with certainty that no American military intervention will bring about an improvement in humans rights.
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #18 - October 08, 2011, 05:31 AM

    Perhaps.  There are plenty of people who are focused on the American occupation of Afghanistan as a criminal act regardless of the regional context of Afghanistan, but they do have they have a point.   Ms. Malalai Joya's idea that if the US left the democracy activists would lead in Afghanistan is 100% naive but somewhat justified in that the American occupation makes some weak nominations of human rights etc while killing a lot of civilians so naturally people will tie "human rights" etc with unjust occupation.

    That is where I disagree.. any  one saying that should give the numbers..  who is killing who and how many??   And I don't believe US soldiers are targeting 8 year old children deliberately unless there is a proof..

    any ways this is Obama's goal..  
    Quote
    In a statement issued by his office, Mr Obama pledged to implement his plans for turning over Afghanistan’s security to the Afghans themselves by 2014. “After a difficult decade, we are responsibly ending today’s wars from a position of strength,” Mr Obama said. “As the rest of our troops come home from Iraq this year, we have begun to draw down our forces in Afghanistan and transition security to the Afghan people, with whom we will forge an enduring partnership,” he said.

    why 2014? they should get out now and see what happens there..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #19 - October 08, 2011, 05:36 AM

    Quote
    That is where I disagree.. any  one saying that should give the numbers..  who is killing who and how many??   And I don't believe US soldiers are targeting 8 year children deliberately unless there is a proof..

     In some sense this is correct.  The vast majority of causilties have been Afghan civilians from Taliban IEDs in spite of what the overall impetus of the main stream media, but who does and doesn't target whom isn't a justification for a war or even to determine what the best strategy is for dealing with the war.  (Sometimes the best wars are those not fought)

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #20 - October 08, 2011, 05:42 AM

    In some sense this is correct.  The vast majority of causilties have been Afghan civilians from Taliban IEDs in spite of what the overall impetus of the main stream media, but who does and doesn't target whom isn't a justification for a war or even to determine what the best strategy is for dealing with the war.  (Sometimes the best wars are those not fought)

    what can US/NATO  troops do about that??   these idiots killing each other for a long time..    

    a link for Afghan Civilian causalities..

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R41084.pdf

    http://gobnf.org/i/ra/factsheet_troops.pdf

    Unlike Russians and Chinese..  Americans do not understand Religious politics  that gets played in Islam dominated nations/lands..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #21 - October 08, 2011, 05:48 AM

    Quote
    what can US/NATO  troops do about that??   these idiots killing each other for a long time..    a link for Afghan Civilian causalities..

    Unlike Russians and Chinese..  Americans do not understand Religious politics  that gets played in Islam dominated nations/lands..


    The US Army may have the most noble of intentions but the colonization and nation building of a people is hardly justified so for whateve reason and  however good or bad they are shouldn't be in Afghanistan in the first place for so long.  If that means some douchebag Taliban say that  women can't be outside government is in power then so be it.  The Afgans can fight for their independence from the Taliban with perhaps American help but they shouldn't have democracy and independence forced on them

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #22 - October 08, 2011, 05:54 AM

    I think we can say with certainty that no American military intervention will bring about an improvement in humans rights.

    well I don't know about that..  read about 2nd world war... After that war,  the game became different..

    Did military interventions  after 2nd world war by Russians, Chinese , Iraqis, Iranians, Turks, Indians, Pakistanis, Somalians, Saudi Arabians    bring any  improvement in humans rights??

    Blaming is easy Abood...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #23 - October 08, 2011, 05:56 AM

    That's not what I said, dear yeezevee. I'm talking specifically about the American intervention in Afghanistan.
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #24 - October 08, 2011, 05:58 AM

    The US Army may have the most noble of intentions but the colonization and nation building of a people is hardly justified so for whateve reason and  however good or bad they are shouldn't be in Afghanistan in the first place for so long.  If that means some douchebag Taliban say that  women can't be outside government is in power then so be it.  The Afgans can fight for their independence from the Taliban with perhaps American help but they shouldn't have democracy and independence forced on them

    why did they go there in the first place??  For oil, gold and diamonds??  Bush Govt  went there for revenge when Taliban said they would not give Uncle Osama and his troops to US of A..   it is Islamic thing..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #25 - October 08, 2011, 06:16 AM

    That's not what I said, dear yeezevee. I'm talking specifically about the American intervention in Afghanistan.

    Was Afghanistan had better Human rights record before US of A went there?? Any ways let us read this from the spoke person of former Taliban Govt Muttawakil  who  lives in Kabul

    Taliban's last foreign minister says the group offered bin Laden for trial after the 1998 US embassy bombings

    Quote
    The Taliban government in Afghanistan offered to present Osama bin Laden for a trial long before the attacks of September 11, 2001, but the US government showed no interest, according to a senior aide to the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.

    Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, Taliban's last foreign minister, told Al Jazeera in an exclusive interview that his government had made several proposals to the United States to present the al-Qaeda leader, considered the mastermind of the 2001 attacks, for trial for his involvement in plots targeting US facilities during the 1990s.

    Quote
    "Even before the [9/11] attacks, our Islamic Emirate had tried through various proposals to resolve the Osama issue. One such proposal was to set up a three-nation court, or something under the supervision of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference [OIC]," Muttawakil said.

    "But the US showed no interest in it. They kept demanding we hand him over, but we had no relations with the US, no agreement of any sort. They did not recognise our government."

    The US did not recognise the Taliban government and had no direct diplomatic relations with the group which controlled most of Afghanistan between 1996 and 2001.


    Quote
    But proposals by the Taliban were relayed to the US through indirect channels such as the US embassy in Pakistan or the informal Taliban office for the UN in New York, Muttawakil said.  Robert Grenier, the CIA station chief in Pakistan at the time of 9/11, confirmed that such proposals had been made to US officials.

    Grenier said the US considered the offers to bring in Bin Laden to trial a "ploy".
     
    "Another idea was that [bin Laden] would be brought to trial before a group of Ulema [religious scholars] in Afghanistan.

    "No one in the US government took these [offers] seriously because they did not trust the Taliban and their ability to conduct a proper trial."


    Subsequent to the 1998 US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, as US pressure grew, the Taliban insisted on a procedure under the supervision of OIC because it considered it a "neutral international organisation".  The OIC is a Saudi Arabia-based organisation representing 56 Muslim nations. Al Jazeera contacted the OIC, but nobody was available for comment.
     
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    Afghanistan's seat at the United Nations at the time was occupied by the anti-Taliban resistance, led by Burhanuddin Rabbani, the country's ousted president, but its seat at the OIC had remained empty, Muttawakil said.

    Grenier said a top US prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, visited Pakistan to present evidence implicating bin Laden in US embassy bombings.


    "He met with the Pakistani interior minister and the idea was to convince the Paksitani government to help in turning over bin Laden," he said.

    Grenier could not recall whether Fitzgerald met with Taliban officials in Pakistan to discuss their proposals or not.

     .........................

    Bin Laden's whereabouts remained a mystery for most of the decade after the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. He was eventually killed in a raid by US special forces in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad in May.

    whole thing was controlled by Land of pure Mullahs in collision with Army/ISI  whatever.. with American Tax payers money which ran in to billions of dollars..,   Unfortunately Americans took time to understand the dynamics of Afghan/Pakistan/Taliban/ISI that is  coupled to Islam/Jihad  as they were still drinking wine on that fall of Russian Communist Empire.. They only realized after 9/11.,

     If they waited some more time like that England Chamberlain did just before the 2nd world war they would have seen some dirty Nuke on some city ..  That article is from sept11 2011..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #26 - October 08, 2011, 02:37 PM

    What do people think will happen in Afghanistan after NATO pulls out in 2014?


    Depends on what happens next door I guess.

    And I don't believe US soldiers are targeting 8 year old children deliberately unless there is a proof..



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    American-led troops were accused yesterday of dragging innocent children from their beds and shooting them during a night raid that left ten people dead.

    Afghan government investigators said that eight schoolchildren were killed, all but one of them from the same family. Locals said that some victims were handcuffed before being killed.

    President Karzai sent a team of investigators to Narang district, in eastern Kunar province, after reports of a massacre first surfaced on Monday.

    “The delegation concluded that a unit of international forces descended from a plane Sunday night into Ghazi Khan village in Narang district of the eastern province of Kunar and took ten people from three homes, eight of them school students in grades six, nine and ten, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them dead,” a statement on President Karzai’s website said.


    Full article:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/afghanistan/article6971638.ece

    That was in 2009, the war since has escalated and so has the use of foreign mercenaries and militias (once called the Northern Alliance) they operate with as much impunity as NATO soldiers do.

    http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/10/04/afghanistan-s-dirty-war-why-the-most-feared-man-in-bermal-district-is-a-u-s-ally.html

    http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/09/26/u-s-backed-kandahar-police-chief-suspected-of-mass-murder.html


    All the US did was back the losing side of the civil war and then tried to the majority pashtuns on side by appointing Karzai  Roll Eyes The pashtuns never fell for it and see the Taliban as their only representatives hence the Taliban winning.
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #27 - October 08, 2011, 02:56 PM

    I think we can say with certainty that no American military intervention will bring about an improvement in humans rights.


    Anywhere under any circumstances? No, I don't think we can say that. The parts of Europe and Asia we liberated during WWII is a pretty good example of bringing about an improvement in human rights through military force, and regardless of the opinion of most of the anti-imperialist left, I do think intervention in the Balkans was justified. Granted, that's the exception rather than the rule. But one can certainly find even Iraqis who would argue that US intervention brought about an improvement in human rights. Problem is that in most cases where intervention brings an improvement in human rights there is always a serious trade-off-- in the case of Saddam, massive death and displacement and regional destablization. But as opposed as I am to US imperialism, I'm not going to pretend there are never any benefits to it for the masses here or abroad-- I just think on the balance it does more harm than good and it's not morally-justified.

    fuck you
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #28 - October 08, 2011, 02:58 PM

    I think we can say with certainty that no American military intervention will bring about an improvement in humans rights.

    Bosnia?
    Kosovo?
  • Re: Afghans hold anti-U.S. rally on eve of war anniversary
     Reply #29 - October 08, 2011, 02:59 PM

    That's not what I said, dear yeezevee. I'm talking specifically about the American intervention in Afghanistan.

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