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 Topic: Care of the Elderly

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  • Care of the Elderly
     OP - October 13, 2011, 09:07 PM

    Who is responsible?

    The State or the family?

    (btw which forum should this be in. I couldn't see Misc.)
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #1 - October 13, 2011, 09:09 PM

    Both, though I would replace "state" with "society"

    fuck you
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #2 - October 13, 2011, 09:11 PM

    The state should look after all its citizens which includes the elderly, unfortunately.
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #3 - October 13, 2011, 09:14 PM


    Families should look after the elderly with assistance from social services when caring becomes difficult.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #4 - October 13, 2011, 09:15 PM

    Why does this assume that the elderly need taken care of? It's usually the elderly that take care of most of the family etc anyway, I know many OAPs that find that insulting and humiliating that they are considered a burden on their family. But the family should take care of them without question, but the state shouldn't just expect to get away from doing nothing. Care is for everyone.
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #5 - October 13, 2011, 09:17 PM

    Why does this assume that the elderly need taken care of? ......

    I want to some one like Zaiba to take care of me when I am Oooooooooold

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #6 - October 13, 2011, 09:20 PM

    LOL Yeezee Tongue .. !! Cheesy Stop making fun of me, I'm being serious.  cool2
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #7 - October 13, 2011, 09:24 PM

    Why does this assume that the elderly need taken care of? It's usually the elderly that take care of most of the family etc anyway, I know many OAPs that find that insulting and humiliating that they are considered a burden on their family. But the family should take care of them without question, but the state shouldn't just expect to get away from doing nothing. Care is for everyone.

    Not all of them do, but it isn't uncommon for people to develop disabilities in one form or another because they are ageing. After all, your body is deteriorating.
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #8 - October 13, 2011, 09:25 PM

    i grew up in japan.  Hence, my formitable years were spent
    learning that elders were to be almost revered, definitely respected,
    and its the family's duty to take care of them, and provide for them
    when they get old.  Only sent to a hospital, retirement home *with
    medical assistance staff*, or hospice when one's family are no longer
    able to physically take care of them due to illness, or progressive diseases,
    such as parkinson's, dementia, cancer, etc.

    I took care of my dad as he declined in health, and trust me, its no easy
    task.  I have great respect for other care givers because its a job I wouldnt
    wish on anyone.  

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #9 - October 13, 2011, 09:27 PM

    Not all of them do, but it isn't uncommon for people to develop disabilities in one form or another because they are ageing. After all, your body is deteriorating.


    But the thread isn't about care of the elderly who have disabilities or have deteriotating health, isn't this assuming all elderly people fall ill? That's not even nearly true.
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #10 - October 13, 2011, 09:44 PM

    i grew up in japan.  Hence, my formitable years were spent
    learning that elders were to be almost revered, definitely respected,
    and its the family's duty to take care of them, and provide for them
    when they get old.  Only sent to a hospital, retirement home *with
    medical assistance staff*, or hospice when one's family are no longer
    able to physically take care of them due to illness, or progressive diseases,
    such as parkinson's, dementia, cancer, etc.

    I took care of my dad as he declined in health, and trust me, its no easy
    task.  I have great respect for other care givers because its a job I wouldnt
    wish on anyone.  


    Very true.

    There comes a stage when families need help in terms of caring and social services. Most families do take their responsibilities seriously, but there will always come a time when a helping hand is needed. The primary responsibility for care of the elderly resides with the family - but they will require the help of social services at some stage. And in a state with a welfare system, those older members of society will have paid into it all their lives for this provision, and thats the way it should be. There is nothing more noble than caring for the elderly with dignity, and that is where, alongside the health service, the state system is most noble.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #11 - October 13, 2011, 10:13 PM

    Why does this assume that the elderly need taken care of? It's usually the elderly that take care of most of the family etc anyway, I know many OAPs that find that insulting and humiliating that they are considered a burden on their family. But the family should take care of them without question, but the state shouldn't just expect to get away from doing nothing. Care is for everyone.


    I'm talking about those who need care.
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #12 - October 14, 2011, 03:28 AM

    immediate family, extended family, social and solidarity groups, the state society  in that order of obligation.  

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #13 - October 14, 2011, 01:53 PM

    Hassan, IMHO, when the time comes that a family can no longer
    take care of the elder, and they need more help than the family
    or person can provide, I dont see any problem getting them the
    professional care they need.

    One thing thats hard though.  The elder will protest, just one more
    thing that deprives them of independence, and its a hard choice when
    the elder objects.  For them, they know that its one step closer to the
    grave, and they can really throw some fits or temper tantrums around
    the idea.  In my case, my dad felt we were abandoning him, just getting
    rid of a "burden", and less independence.  Thats what really upset him.
    Like when he lost his driver's license because he was no longer
    able to drive safely.  Its emotional turmoil and very difficult to get
    them to understand why they can no longer drive. 

    Then theres the guilt of having to have someone else take care of them.
    Asked many times if we had done the right thing, but quickly reminded
    we were all unable to provide him the daily medical care he needed.

    If one is capable to do things like bathe them, clean and change them,
    assist them to and from their bed/room.  If they are still able to eat
    on their own, or with some assistance, IMO, keep them at home.
    My dad got so excited when my sister would bring her kids over. 
    Being near his grandkids sent his spirits soaring. 

    There is also the mental challenges.  My dad regressed to that of a
    five year old in his mind.  Threw temper tantrums, would cook him
    what he asked for, then say it tasted like crap and would storm off.
    Turn childlike and very oppositional defiant.  Would go to the garage
    in the middle of the night just to sit in his car and then not want to
    get out of it.  In these cases, I wouldnt send them to the state, but
    definitely look for support either from family or care giver support
    groups, cuz honestly, I was ready to pull my hair out.  I would take
    off in my car and just scream as loud as i could, and come back to my
    senses that its not his fault he is like this.  What do you do when he
    locks himself in his room and sob for hours on end?  Justified to send
    him tot he state?  No.  But very taxing on the rest of us.


    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #14 - October 14, 2011, 05:53 PM

    The state should look after all its citizens which includes the elderly, unfortunately.


    Why is that unfortunate?   wacko

    I think the way things are set up over here work.

    For the family that want to care for their elderly parent/s, they can, and if it is difficult (financially aswell as physically), home care can be given to them, so that via (state) carers allowance, support can be hired to help in the home.

    for those unfortunates who have no family, or selfish family, then I count myself lucky to be somewhere that has a state who will foot my bill for care when I can't care for myself anymore.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #15 - October 15, 2011, 12:24 AM

    I'd look after and care for elderly family as long as they remain mentally stable.  I doubt I could cope with Alzheimers or Dementia though.  Huh?

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #16 - October 15, 2011, 12:30 AM

    I'd look after and care for elderly family as long as they remain mentally stable.  I doubt I could cope with Alzheimers or Dementia though.  Huh?


    actually having seen both sides of this debate. one grandparent fall physically ill. the other grandparent mentally ill. I would say the mentally ill is a bit easier.

    Its frustrating to see the mental illness but its easier to get around because most of the time they wont realize necessarily whats going on, so they arent as frustrated as the physically ill.

    I wish parents everywhere could remove their veil of religion and see their kids for whom they actually are.
  • Re: Care of the Elderly
     Reply #17 - October 15, 2011, 12:45 AM

    Why is that unfortunate?   wacko



    I was being sarky  Tongue
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