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  • creation of universe
     OP - October 21, 2011, 07:34 PM

    okay.....i have been asked two questions about the creation of universe

    1) What is the evidence of big bang Huh? and many scientists speak against it (names not mentioned by the questioner)...

    2) How can you say that universe is not required  to be created



    for second question i said that all scientists agree that there is no evidence of universe to be created...as it was in some other state before big bang.............am i right Huh?? and kindly also give some links to material about it......

    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #1 - October 21, 2011, 07:57 PM

    Why dont you look at wiki on big bang for a start?

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #2 - October 21, 2011, 08:02 PM

    ...........am i right Huh?? and kindly also give some links to material about it......

    well you could be right.. you could be wrong or you could be partially wrong kartoos .   That is exactly the reason one must keep open mind and freedom to explore on these tough subjects such as,  origin of life.. origin of elements, origin of planets  origin of Universe ..etc..etc..  But there is a little doubt on WHATEVER WRITTEN in all these religious scriptures on that subject is complete nonsense irrelevant time wasting utter rubbish..
     
    Theories on the origin of Universe
    The Origin of the Universe
    About The Universe
    Universe-wiki
    Universe-Nasa Govt
    Atlas of the Universe

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQouX5U0fc


    There is a huge information out there, that doesn't mean it will answer all the questions..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #3 - October 28, 2011, 12:09 AM

    Quote
    Why dont you look at wiki on big bang for a start?


    Why don't you help him out and answer the question instead of telling him to read an artical ?  Roll Eyes

    Quote
    okay.....i have been asked two questions about the creation of universe

    1) What is the evidence of big bang Huh? and many scientists speak against it (names not mentioned by the questioner)...

    2) How can you say that universe is not required  to be created



    for second question i said that all scientists agree that there is no evidence of universe to be created...as it was in some other state before big bang.............am i right Huh?? and kindly also give some links to material about it......


    One of my friends asked some what of a similer question and made loads of stupid statement. I'll post a part of my rebuke that will be helpfull to you. And its scinetficly acurate. I have had reviewed by a perosn who has a PHD in astro-physics from Manchester university so its athuentic  Tongue.

    The "Big bang"

     

    Right lets talk about the big bang theory then. Every person who was arguing said that I believed that the earth came from a big bang and that tells you how much you guys were ignorant about the big bang theory.

     

    Now what is the big bang theory. First of all there was nothing “big” and there was no “bang” the name was actually a sarcastic remark made by the British astronomer sir Fred Hoyal who rejected it at the time but it stuck. The big bang put in simple term is the expansion of the whole universe from a singularity.

     

    Now that we have a basic understanding of what the big bang is we can talk about the evidence.

     

    Evidence number 1. Hubble’s observation

     

    Now you asked me evidence for the big bang theory. Well let me provide you with 2 key points. First are the observations made by Edwin Hubble. He observed that distant galaxies were moving away from us (At the time, most astronomers thought that galaxies like Andromeda were within the Milky Way. He was the first to show that they lay outside of our galaxy.This was discovered whilst he was observing Cepheid Variables in the Andromeda Galaxy and noticed the light being emitted was Doppler Shifted. By examining Cepheid Varibles in a number of different galaxies he found that the majority of galxies were moving away from us, and that the further they were away, the faster they were receding. Leading to, Hubble's Law on the Redshift of Galaxies.) . Thus proving that the universe was expanding.  Edwin Hubble did this by measuring the Doppler shift effect of distant galaxies. He found that the more distant the galaxies the more of there colour was shifted to red. This is known as red shift.

     

    Evidence Number 2. Cosmic Microwave back ground Radiation.

     

    This is the CMBR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WMAP_2010.png . It is the most important picture taken by humans because it actually is the picture of the baby universe. It was taken by WMAP. Basically what it is the radiation from the big bang.

    I think that should be enough. There  other pieces of evidence such as the size of cosmos and the age of star among others. If you want more evidence then ask me and if you want me to go into more detail let me know.

     

    Now for the next premises. What was there before the big bang ?

     

    Well tbh nothing. The reason being time and space are not separate entities’ but one. Space and time did came to existence at the instant of the big bang or cosmic inflation. So if time didn’t exist you can’t say what there “before” because there was no such thing as a before , present or after. Its like standing on the north pole and asking what’s the north of north pole. If you want me to go into more detail as always let me know J.

     

    Moving to the 3rd premises.  Who created the big bang ?

     

    No one created the big bang. Why are you asking “who” created big bang. By doing you are committing a logical fallacy called “begging the question” in which you are already assuming something needs to exist and make something else exist with out proving the premises of your argument that such a trancendent being exists in the first place so lets play by the rules of logic Wink.




    Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. [carl sagan]
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #4 - October 28, 2011, 01:23 AM

    1) What is the evidence of big bang Huh? and many scientists speak against it (names not mentioned by the questioner)...


    There are many ways of knowing that the Big Bang happened; the cosmic microwave background radiation is one, the fact that the universe is expanding is another.

    There are no scientists of any repute that deny the "big bang" in principle. It's a pillar that holds up many other things in cosmology. Here's a couple of really good videos on the subject from Potholer54's "made easy" series:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CcH50tR6yI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4L8Ay2hxlU&feature=related

    2) How can you say that universe is not required  to be created?


    You just did!

    It's no more outlandish than saying that the universe was required to be created. The truth is; we don't know yet, it's an honest answer and to remain honest we must resist the temptation to make assertions that we have no evidence for, there is nothing wrong with admitting ignorance when we lack the knowledge. No one really knows what "before" means when we ask; "What happened before the Big Bang?" as time and space began to exist at the expansion, without time, "before" doesn't really mean anything.



    "Happy happy, joy joy!" Stimpson J Cat.
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #5 - October 28, 2011, 01:29 AM

    Well, sadly it just means that believers can continue to say that god must have done it.  We have the creation idea stamped into us, that something must come from something, seed, tree, fruit, seed.  It would be good to be able to say firmly why this is false when it comes to the big bang.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #6 - October 28, 2011, 01:32 AM

    seed, tree, fruit, seed.

    But what came first, the seed or the fruit?

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #7 - October 28, 2011, 01:35 AM

    Only god can answer that.  Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #8 - October 28, 2011, 06:33 AM

    Skeptic........great my  friend....... very very helpful Smiley

    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #9 - October 28, 2011, 12:56 PM

    No problem. Happy to help Smiley.

    Also on the second point. I asked the sort of same question to a physicist in my college though in a bit more technical way and he replied with "You make a good logical deduction but we can not be sure. To really know that we must have a good understanding of Qantam gravity and we'll need a theory which can reconcile Realtivty and QM".




    Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. [carl sagan]
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #10 - October 28, 2011, 12:59 PM

    This a very good episode of "the universe" on the Big bang theory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIoKrL_8pt8




    Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. [carl sagan]
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #11 - October 28, 2011, 01:26 PM

    thnx


    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #12 - October 28, 2011, 01:41 PM

    hummm...interesting...

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #13 - October 30, 2011, 02:53 AM

    It is indeed  Wink




    Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. [carl sagan]
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #14 - November 01, 2011, 08:48 PM

    seed, tree, fruit, seed.

    But what came first, the seed or the fruit?


    seed
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #15 - November 01, 2011, 09:37 PM

    Agreed. The seed from the fruit of any new kind of tree was a mutant seed of a tree that was slightly different.  whistling2

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #16 - November 03, 2011, 02:12 AM

    This a very good episode of "the universe" on the Big bang theory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIoKrL_8pt8


    I was sick with a headache today and had to stop on the side of the road and take my medication which means there I sit for several hours. So I watched this video. Part of the time I wasn't paying the best attention, indeed I was crying with pain. At another point I had to stop it to speak with a state trooper. But all in all I found it to have some very interesting points to consider, enough so that I will watch it again when I have an hour and a half.

    A point that I found useful was that it was stated more then once that science conflicted with the dogma of the church. That is a very inportant point science conflicts with the dogma of the church. When I watch is again I'm going to pay attention to who said it and exactly what was say that so I can quote it exactly. There is a very important difference in conflicting with the dogma of the church at any given moment in history and being in conflict with the Bible or with what God actually says. This fact was clearly pointed out in this video by the Catholic priest that was also scientist. Also so many other interesting points.

    Thank you very much for posting this video.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #17 - November 03, 2011, 09:35 AM

    Agreed. The seed from the fruit of any new kind of tree was a mutant seed of a tree that was slightly different.  whistling2


    Agreed, bit like the egg of the pre-chicken bird turned into a chicken.
  • Re: creation of universe
     Reply #18 - November 07, 2011, 06:18 PM

    The universe and humans both begin with an orgasm. What more evidence do you need?

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
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