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 Topic: Islamic Idiots on the internet

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  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #30 - November 19, 2011, 03:40 PM

    Why some people become extremists is the problem.

    Otherwise, for the majority of Muslims, their religion is just like any others, a fallacy without evidence.

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #31 - November 19, 2011, 03:48 PM


    Extremism, depending on how you define it, is certainly one problem. Circumscribing debate over what is problematic can be a problem in itself.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #32 - November 19, 2011, 03:52 PM

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    What is needed is a move beyond tradition, nothing less than a reform movement to bring the core concepts of Islam into the modern age, a Muslim Reformation to combat not only the jihadist ideologues but also the dusty, stifling seminaries of the traditionalists, throwing open the windows to let in much-needed fresh air. (...) It is high time, for starters, that Muslims were able to study the revelation of their religion as an event inside history, not supernaturally above it.


     - Salman Rushdie

    Fully agree completely, as I believe Islam co-developed with the Arab/Muslim Empire, and not the other way around.




    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #33 - November 19, 2011, 03:56 PM

    Extremism, depending on how you define it, is certainly one problem. Circumscribing debate over what is problematic can be a problem in itself.


    Jews don't kill unruly children as commanded in the Bible, what solved that problem?

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #34 - November 19, 2011, 03:56 PM

    Not being Jews, definitly didn't solve it.

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #35 - November 19, 2011, 04:06 PM

    Jews don't kill unruly children as commanded in the Bible, what solved that problem?


    Did they take a magic pill or something?

    A good start to dealing with problematic aspects of religions is to not try to police free thinking, free conscience, rejection, and ridicule of any aspect of that religion. Circumscribing the terms of what is 'problematic' is itself problematic.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #36 - November 19, 2011, 04:16 PM

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    A good start to dealing with problematic aspects of religions is to not try to police free thinking, free conscience, rejection, and ridicule of any aspect of that religion.


    In order to solve the problem of global warming it would be a good idea to reduce the temperature.

    Any more unhelpful advice?

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #37 - November 19, 2011, 04:24 PM


    Its helpful to those who need it, for everyone else, its more a 'take-it-or-leave-it' kind of thing.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #38 - November 19, 2011, 04:37 PM

    You heard of this dude?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Zakariya_al-Razi#On_Religion

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    Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī (Persian: محمد زکریای رازی Mohammad-e Zakariā-ye Rāzi), known as Rhazes or Rasis after medieval Latinists, (August 26, 865 – 925) was a Persian[1][2] polymath,a prominent figure in Islamic Golden Age,[3] physician, alchemist and chemist, philosopher, and scholar.


    He wrote 3 books about religion:

        The Prophets' Fraudulent Tricks (مخارق الانبياء)
        The Stratagems of Those Who Claim to Be Prophets (حيل المتنبيين)
        On the Refutation of Revealed Religions (نقض الادیان).

    "On what ground do you deem it necessary that God should single out certain individuals [by giving them prophecy], that he should set them up above other people, that he should appoint them to be the people's guides, and make people dependent upon them?[21]"

    On the Qur'an, Razi said:

    "You claim that the evidentiary miracle is present and available, namely, the Koran. You say: "Whoever denies it, let him produce a similar one." Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter. ... By God what you say astonishes us! You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation. Then you say: "Produce something like it"?![21]

    From the beginning of the human history, all of those who claimed to be prophets were, in his worst assumption, tortuous and devious and with his best assumption had psychological problems."

    During a debate with Biruni, Ibn Sina stated:

    "Or from Muhammad ibn Zakariyyab al-Razi, who meddles in metaphysics and exceeds his competence. He should have remained confined to surgery and to urine and stool testing—indeed he exposed himself and showed his ignorance in these matters."
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Not only was Razi's criticism like a BILLION times worse, being genuine statements as opposed to a work of fiction by Rushdie -  but they were debated, and he died in his bed.

    This is the 8th and 9th century, and people call the Taliban REAL ISLAM. Huh?

    The reason this is complicated, is because the history of Muslims is NOT linear. Christianity in Europe went nutjob>secular quite gradually over time, with the exception of Puritanism.

    Does the above situation not sound like a forum board of the 9th century? People overreacting, fiery language etc. cool2



    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #39 - November 19, 2011, 04:46 PM

    I disagree with Ibn Sina's somewhat flamed, almost ad hominem attack, a polymath like him should know one can master more than one discipline.

    I disagree with Razi's overemphasis on deception and trickery, but then he didn't know a fraction of what we know about psychology or psychiatric conditions and full extent of self-deception. So can't blame him.

    Or maybe he's right, in that I am someone "of best assumptions."


    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #40 - November 19, 2011, 07:11 PM

    We need to destroy Islam, so Muslims can just kill for normal reasons, like shooting up a school, serial killing maniacs, regular rapists and murderers and riot in the street just for the sake of rioting.





    This may be the same sentiments I posted while back regarding honour based killings (not wholly 'Islamic' attributed but linked often enough) - in that there is a inherent capacity for some men to exhibit control freakery over women in their control so to speak, this manifests itself in honour-based systems as 'honour' killings but in non-honour based sytems, (take the UK for instance) there is still murders of women by men who are known to them - like husbands and partners.

    Even though the cultures are different, killing of women by men who can't control them happens.

    Thinking big? is that the evolutionary basis of our existence and how evolution manifests itself.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #41 - November 19, 2011, 07:19 PM

    Mysogony, is the problem. Well done. Afro It is not an Islamic thing, my dad is religious, my parents seperated, HE moved out. Because he's not a cunt. He's religious, yet brewed his own beer in his younger days. I love human beings, they are funkily contradicting. dance

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    Thinking big? is that the evolutionary basis of our existence and how evolution manifests itself.


    Doesn't apply to me.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posthuman

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #42 - November 19, 2011, 07:22 PM

    ^^^When I chose this username, I meant it in the science fiction sense, my avatar is man recreating himself in his own image. Better than before. I only realised afterwards it's a philosophical school of thought too, which just happens to be one I subscribe to. So that's ...awesome. parrot

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #43 - November 19, 2011, 07:22 PM

    Lol - I had called posthumans as metahumans for some reason - the human us homo sapiens will eventually evolve to.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #44 - November 19, 2011, 07:24 PM

    Like that Austrian guy, who held his family hostage for 2 decades, if that was a Muslim, it would be because of some hadith. Roll Eyes

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #45 - November 19, 2011, 07:28 PM

    Lol - I had called posthumans as metahumans for some reason - the human us homo sapiens will eventually evolve to.


    I don't intend to remain an atheist forever.

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    A variation on the posthuman theme is the notion of a "posthuman god"; the idea that posthumans, being no longer confined to the parameters of human nature, might grow physically and mentally so powerful as to appear possibly god-like by human standards. [6] This notion should not be interpreted as being related to the idea portrayed in some science fiction that a sufficiently advanced species may "ascend" to a higher plane of existence—rather, it merely means that some posthuman beings may become so exceedingly intelligent and technologically sophisticated that their behaviour would not possibly be comprehensible to modern humans, purely by reason of their limited intelligence and imagination[9]. The difference here is that the latter stays within the bounds of the laws of the material universe, while the former exceeds them by going beyond it.


    When I become a god, I can no longer be an atheist.

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #46 - November 19, 2011, 07:29 PM

    I've had whisky, my inhibitions are gone, I will reveal my true identity.

    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #47 - November 19, 2011, 07:32 PM


    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #48 - November 19, 2011, 07:37 PM

    Im spiderman




    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #49 - November 19, 2011, 07:59 PM

    There's a Spiderwoman too, unless you take your disguise a bit too far.


    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #50 - November 19, 2011, 08:15 PM

    FlOod in Pakistan: Allah's test
    Flood in Tsunami
    flood in Japan: punishment  

    Why do more people in third world countries who are soo devoted to God suffer the most, while aetheist Japan was able to recover quickly? Allah you treat your followers horribly.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #51 - November 19, 2011, 08:19 PM

    what is happening here?/ I am lost?? where am I  posthuman?  where are you posthuman?? let us get back ...So this guy Terry Jones of US of A.. we all know him by now..  his interview..
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    1) BEING A DEVOTEE OF THE PRINCE OF PEACE (i.e. Jesus), HOW HE COULD BURN THE QURAN?

    Answer: Does being a devotee of the Prince of Peace makes it necessary to bear the atrocities in this modern age as Jesus did (as supposed) in his time?

    2) WHY DO YOU HURT THE FEELINGS OF 1.5 BILLION MUSLIMS BY BURNING THEIR SACRED BOOK?

    Answer: Do Christians know what sacred message the Quran delivers to Muslims? Even the so-called moderate Muslims don’t know the true message of Quran yet. If they have studied the Quran, then they would either become extremists or apostates of Islam. There is no room for such kinds as moderate Muslims in Islam.

    Burning the Quran is not new in Islam. Their 3rd Caliph and the son-in-law of Muhammad, Othman, had burned the 6 out of 7 versions of the Quran, while compiling the version that exist today. After that Muhammad’s child-wife Aisha and his another son-in-law Ali jointly conspired and murdered him for political reasons, a legacy which they inherited from Muhammad. And they justified his murder for burning the Quran.

    3) THERE ARE MODERATE MUSLIMS IN AMERICA WHO LOVES AMERICA AND SOME OF THEM ARE AMONG THE VICTIMS OF SEPTEMBER 11.

    Yes, indeed there are 90% moderates amongst Muslims, not only in the U.S. but also throughout the world.

    What was their reaction on the September 11 incident?

    What are there reactions for the atrocities caused by their fanatic brothers throughout the world?

    What do you mean by their silence? — Muhammad himself stated ‘Silence means consent‘.

    For your kind information, according to them, the Muslim victims of September 11 attacks have become martyrs and are now in Muhammad’s version of paradise frolicking with 72 virgins.

     So those were the answers of Mr. Terry Jones., If some one asks you same questions how would you answer PostHuman??

    anyway November 12, 2011 the news says
    Quote
    Judge says people can't be jailed over intended speech
    Pastor who wanted to condemn Shariah behind bars over 'peace bond


    The Florida pastor who wanted to protest jihad and Islamic Shariah law in Dearborn – but was jailed by a judge who worried about what he "intended" to say – has been cleared.

    According to officials with the Thomas More Law Center, a circuit judge in Wayne County, Mich., has overturned the decision by Dearborn District Judge Mark W. Somers.

    According to the ruling from Wayne County Circuit Judge Robert Ziolowski, Somers violated the constitutional rights of Pastor Terry Jones and his associate, Wayne Sapp, when he held a "peace bond" proceeding last spring and ordered them to pay a $1 peace bond and ordered them not to go into the vicinity of a Muslim mosque, including on the surrounding public property, for three years.
     
     Because the "bond" violated their constitutional free speech rights, they refused to pay, and the judge locked them up overnight.

    In yesterday’s ruling,
    Quote
    in addition to finding a violation of due process, Ziolowski overturned on First Amendment grounds the district court's three-year injunction limiting Jones' free speech rights by keeping him away from the mosque


     So that is the recent ruling on tat case.,

    so question  is if you were a Judge in west where Muslims are not in majority what will be your judgment on that and if you were the judge in Easter countries where Muslim are majority or dominate for political reasons what would be your judgment Posthuman??

    Now stop acting in-human you are not that bad character..  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #52 - November 19, 2011, 08:20 PM

    Japan had American restructuring plan after the war!?

    And Japan was quite advanced prior to that?

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #53 - November 19, 2011, 09:59 PM

    Japan had American restructuring plan after the war!?

    And Japan was quite advanced prior to that?

    the other very important reason was .. Japan was not an Islamic nation neither their faith was Islam.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Islamic Idiots on the internet
     Reply #54 - November 20, 2011, 12:47 AM

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    the other very important reason was .. Japan was not an Islamic nation neither their faith was Islam.


    At school I heard that the japanese thought their Emperor was God on earth, they also had strong enough faith to be 'suicide bombers' for their Emporer. I think they thought their Emperor/faith/country was undefeatable, pretty similar to muslims. Two nuclear bombs handed defeat and possibly shook their faith hard enough for it to seem fallible...for them to move on.  

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
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