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 Topic: Atheism Is Not A Belief

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  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #30 - January 20, 2012, 02:05 PM

    Some dictionaries define atheism as lack of belief in gods, but I don't think it's a good definition (and it definitely isn't the only one).

    Normally people on the fence (who lack conviction to lean either way) don't label themselves as either theists or atheists.  Assuming you are left of center (uncertainty) in regards to god's existence, your atheism is definitely a belief, just like theism.

    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #31 - January 20, 2012, 02:06 PM

    Im just sitting here laughing because of how easy it is to write speeches and impress you by just mere word swapping. I'm a Semite, I have a volatile mind. But when I feed you BS, you will love it!

     So that is all what you are doing....  bull shitting.. , Glad to know that.

    So another BS post ..
    So you think you are impressing folks here??
    you seem to have too much confidence in yourself passingaround., that is good .   But.but,  don't turn that in to arrogance.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #32 - January 20, 2012, 02:09 PM

    being a semite means nothing. it is you who is racist
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #33 - January 20, 2012, 02:09 PM

    I love you guys. Even though you're Atheists. And I'm Agnostic. And I joke alot. Some of my jokes makes you go WTF, but I try.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #34 - January 20, 2012, 02:11 PM

    so you are proud of yourself for proving Poe's law again?
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #35 - January 20, 2012, 02:13 PM

    I think so man. I don't troll. But this is a subject where people on both sides claim they are right.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #36 - January 20, 2012, 02:21 PM

    How Logical Mind percieves himself:



    How everyone else sees him:


    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #37 - January 20, 2012, 02:27 PM

    Personally I don't like the in-your-face kind of Atheism. I see no difference between religious dawahgandaheads and that. I believe that people should be able to speak freely without anyone forcing their worldview or opinion harshly down on them. Muslims enforce their religion and maintain an atmosphere where you face chastisement to speak up on differing views. Nowadays I see the same with "haha-you-believe-in-God-you-stupid-fuck, Im-right-youre-so-damn-dumb-and-dead-wrong" brand of Atheists.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #38 - January 20, 2012, 02:34 PM

    Then it's best not to assume what I believe just from declaring myself an atheist (and I certainly have never claimed something along the lines of your example).  Not my "issue".

    What I see as the "issue" is the black and white thinking that one must believe in something even when there are gaps in our knowledge.  Is it so hard to stop pretending and just admit that you don't know?  This is the question I find myself asking theists at the end of most of these debates.


    I agree with the premise though. Atheism isnt a belief per se. But when you assert that God does not exist. You have something to say about reality which according to you is true. To say that God is falsehood is to define parameters of reality as well. I think for people to able to have a say and differ is one of the best things about the current times we live in. As that tends to stir discussion which makes think about profound things more deeply.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #39 - January 20, 2012, 02:39 PM

    Yeah, Im a nerd unfortunately because my mother isnt a socialite.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #40 - January 20, 2012, 02:40 PM

    Personally I don't like the in-your-face kind of Atheism. I see no difference between religious dawahgandaheads and that. I believe that people should be able to speak freely without anyone forcing their worldview or opinion harshly down on them. Muslims enforce their religion and maintain an atmosphere where you face chastisement to speak up on differing views.

    Is that a REAL POST or another BULL SHIT  post dear passingaround ??

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    Nowadays I see the same with "haha-you-believe-in-God-you-stupid-fuck, Im-right-youre-so-damn-dumb-and-dead-wrong" brand of Atheists.

    No..no.. they may say just words but THEY ARE NOT ENFORCING anything on you,  you must realize that dear passingaround

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #41 - January 20, 2012, 02:43 PM

    Is that a REAL POST or another BULL SHIT  post dear passingaround ??


    No Im being serious there.

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    No..no.. they may say just words but THEY ARE NOT ENFORCING anything on you,  you must realize that dear passingaround


    Not true. I've seen plenty of such Atheists. Few are really honest and open minded. And personally I don't think thats unwarranted looking at Bible Belt America and Islam. What I despise is the extension of this reaction to all forms of religions.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #42 - January 20, 2012, 02:44 PM

    Except that I don't claim that god does not exist.  I simply see no reason to believe in such claims.

    Some dictionaries define atheism as lack of belief in gods, but I don't think it's a good definition (and it definitely isn't the only one).

    You seemed to have missed my response to what you're now repeating:

    The only thing that all atheists have in common is the lack of belief in theistic claims.

    Lacking belief is not a belief.


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    Normally people on the fence (who lack conviction to lean either way) don't label themselves as either theists or atheists.  Assuming you are left of center (uncertainty) in regards to god's existence, your atheism is definitely a belief, just like theism.

    And now you're delving into agnosticism in relation to atheism.  In this regard, I'm an atheist and an agnostic, where atheism deals with belief and agnosticism deals with knowledge i.e. I see no reason to believe in theistic claims but I do not claim to have knowledge on related matters (e.g. the beginning of the universe or what happens after we die).

    So far from being mutually exclusive, atheism and agnosticism actually compliment one another.

    Against the ruin of the world, there
    is only one defense: the creative act.

    -- Kenneth Rexroth
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #43 - January 20, 2012, 02:46 PM

    No Im being serious there.

    Not true. I've seen plenty of such Atheists. Few are really honest and open minded. And personally I don't think thats unwarranted looking at Bible Belt America and Islam. What I despise is the extension of this reaction to all forms of religions.

    please give some examples., if it is NOT BULL SHIT POST..  Cheesy

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #44 - January 20, 2012, 02:56 PM

    Assuming you are left of center (uncertainty) in regards to god's existence, your atheism is definitely a belief, just like theism.

    If you can present a coherent definition of god - one that doesn't refute itself by its own internal flaws - and then I let you know if I believe or don't believe in that particular god you just invented, then you can fairly call it a belief. Until then, you don't get to tell me what I believe. Because you've made no effort to find out. You've "looked me up" in a dictionary and are satisfied with the shallowest one-line, one-size-fits-all definition.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #45 - January 20, 2012, 03:09 PM

    So far from being mutually exclusive, atheism and agnosticism actually compliment one another.


    Atheism equally compliments Agnosticism as much as Theism.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #46 - January 20, 2012, 03:20 PM

    Pretty sure it is.
    It's a belief in the absence of something.


    Belief on what Huh?

    how do u make sense of what u just said Huh?

  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #47 - January 20, 2012, 04:05 PM

    Can someone explain to me why Atheism is not a belief? I think it is a belief because you say that there is no God. I prefer to call myself agnostic, because we can't know 100%.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #48 - January 20, 2012, 04:09 PM

    Atheism is a negation not a belief, in order something to be a belief it needs to make a positive claim or a premise whereas Atheism doesn't do that, it negates the existence of deities.

    Atheists don't believe this is the point to believe u have to make a premise or a positive claim like there is a God and u can't back it up by evidence or proof so u believe there is a god whereas saying THERE IS NO GOD or GODS is not a belief, Atheism is as much of e belief as Not Playing Football is a sport.

    I am also an Agnostic by the way.

  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #49 - January 20, 2012, 04:09 PM

    Can someone explain to me why Atheism is not a belief? I think it is a belief because you say that there is no God. I prefer to call myself agnostic, because we can't know 100%.

    what is god in your neck of the world Tmp??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #50 - January 20, 2012, 04:27 PM

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    Atheism is a belief. Its an invention. God is truth. It is natural to believe in God. Spirituality is organic. Whereas it takes effort to believe in the non-existence of God. It is sensible and intelligent to believe in God. Atheists are the ones who spend so much of effort in going their way out to demolish theist claims. Atheism is not a reflex, it is a conditioning, it is a learnt habit, it is a state of mind that is built by those whose mind has boundaries and cannot be perceptive of higher truth.


    I feel that your input is worthy of a response, cause it readily exemplifies your typical agnostic spiritualist. A person who seeks to mystify his belief so much that it becomes inanely uncommunicative in these religious/atheist discussions.

    Here we go.

    First of all atheism is not a belief. How many times do I and others need to assert this? Atheism upholds no common scripture, nor does it communicate any teachings of any sorts. It is the equivalent of substituting the word 'belief' with 'ideology'. Statements such as “Atheism is an ideology!” are also fallacious, cause the inherent nature of atheism holds no ideological preferences, and can therefore not be reviewed nor criticized under such pretences. Epithets such as Muslim, Hindu, Christian all carry an entourage of collective thoughts. Atheism inherently lacks any collective thoughts. I dare you to find me any radical common thought within a atheistic community (except for the fact that they lack a belief). You can not? Well guess why? Because there exist none.


    Your statement that “It is natural to believe in God” is also frivolous. The philosopher Hume argues that we should not argue of “ought to be” from “what is”. Just because human beings have the naturalistic tendency to religious thinking does not mean that the logical mind(and the logical thought) can not transcend these basic tendencies. The reason why define our species as the “wise man” is because we have freed ourself from our biological instincts, alas religion is but on step further of freeing ourself completely from our primitive holdings.

    I agree with you. To adhere to atheism is not an easy task. To brake ones cultural shackles and contemplate the logical rather than the comforting exceeds the capacity of many human beings. You see the organic is not always the correct, as much of a naturalist that I am, I need make myself logical and clear before I see myself comforted by my own thoughts.

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    Maybe it is you who lacks the ability to attain awareness and pierce beyond the norm through higher states of consciousness.


    Such statements(and many of your other statements) are really blatant in the polemical discussions. Higher consciousness? What does that even imply? I need to imprison myself in a cave and meditate for twenty years before I reach such a state?

    Human beings have established the logical as the communicative method of what holds to be true in our consciousness. We can not adhere to spiritualism to free us from misguided traditions and rituals, I am sorry.

    Grouchy  what is the  good reason for picking up an innocent girl  as Osama  bin Laden?    

  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #51 - January 20, 2012, 04:48 PM

    what is god in your neck of the world Tmp??


    I don't know. That's why I'm agnostic.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #52 - January 20, 2012, 05:19 PM

    Can someone explain to me why Atheism is not a belief? I think it is a belief because you say that there is no God. I prefer to call myself agnostic, because we can't know 100%.

    Because not being convinced by a proposition isn't the same thing as believing an alternative or equivalent proposition. It simply means the original proposition hasn't been sufficiently demonstrated and the person forwarding the proposition has failed to demonstrate it.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #53 - January 20, 2012, 06:15 PM

    Can someone explain to me why Atheism is not a belief?

    Belief is a logically unjustified assertion.

    When somebody claims that Elvis is still alive on Alebaran or that Dennis Rodman is an android, does the fact that I do not share the same set of beliefs make me a believer in the alternative position?

    Atheism is a negation not a belief, in order something to be a belief it needs to make a positive claim or a premise whereas Atheism doesn't do that, it negates the existence of deities.

    Not necessarily. Atheism simply means that the question of god's existence is irrelevant.
    It does not matter if there is or if there isn't a god, atheist's behaviour would not change regardless of what the answer to the question of gods existence is.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #54 - January 20, 2012, 06:24 PM

    I don't know. That's why I'm agnostic.


    Well some Atheists are actually Agnostic atheists. I recommend you to watch this talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWJTUAezxAI


    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #55 - January 20, 2012, 07:01 PM

    calling atheism a belief is absurd. It would be like calling not playing football a sport.
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #56 - January 20, 2012, 07:09 PM

    It does not matter if there is or if there isn't a god, atheist's behaviour would not change regardless of what the answer to the question of gods existence is.


    Haha. Are you for real?

    The reason for the lack of belief is the lack of evidence for the existence of God. Should such evidence emanate itself the atheist has to by default believe in the existence of God(that does not however necessitate that he should believe in Him).

    If he denies this, then the ground on which he stands on for his non-believe is merely a convenience and not an adherence to truth.

    Grouchy  what is the  good reason for picking up an innocent girl  as Osama  bin Laden?    

  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #57 - January 20, 2012, 07:15 PM

    Well some Atheists are actually Agnostic atheists. I recommend you to watch this talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWJTUAezxAI



      and  Al-Ma`arri  ..I recommend to watch this ..lol

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #58 - January 20, 2012, 08:01 PM

    Not necessarily. Atheism simply means that the question of god's existence is irrelevant.
    It does not matter if there is or if there isn't a god, atheist's behaviour would not change regardless of what the answer to the question of gods existence is.


    Wrong, Atheism definitely doesn't mean the highlighted part, Atheists don't believe in God because there is no reason to believe in God also there is no evidence nor proof to prove god, what you said makes little to no sense, if you were able to prove god and present proof or evidence then an Atheist would accept God, again he won't believe in God but would accept reality because after presenting facts and proof there is no place for belief and if u have facts and proof that's where belief ceases to exist.

  • Re: Atheism Is Not A Belief
     Reply #59 - January 20, 2012, 09:02 PM

    If you can present a coherent definition of god - one that doesn't refute itself by its own internal flaws - and then I let you know if I believe or don't believe in that particular god you just invented, then you can fairly call it a belief.


    If you think "god" is so vague a notion, why call yourself an atheist? Why not a theist?
    If you say you lack a belief in X, surely you must have some idea of what X is referring to....otherwise you're not really saying anything.

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    Until then, you don't get to tell me what I believe.


    I wouldn't think to try, ma'am.

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    You've "looked me up" in a dictionary and are satisfied with the shallowest one-line, one-size-fits-all definition.




    Actually I've looked "atheism" up. I wasn't even sure whether you call yourself one or not.

    Belief on what Huh?


    Belief in the non-existence of gods? Belief in reality without gods?


    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
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