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 Topic: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad

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  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #30 - March 02, 2012, 04:48 PM

    I'm actually pissed off at Saudi Arabia. While Turkey is giving assistance to SNC (united opposition) and Free Syrian Army-Saudi Arabia has been shown to be funding sunni extremists and jihadists cells, as well as funding extremist, sectarian preachers like the guy I posted earlier-they don't need to be funded, they need to be ignored. It's a duplicitous game that has nothing to do with humanitarianism. Five years ago Saudi Arabia was kissing Assad's ass (and vice versa) because of the mutual benefit they both had. Back then, apparently 'we are all Muslims united against the west and Israel' was the message of the day, now it's 'we can't accept shi'ite Alawis to be in control of the government'-I wish they had the balls to admit that their current concern is not for the Syrian people, but rather they are selling some shares and buying others as they (and we all) realise that the regime's days are numbered.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #31 - March 02, 2012, 04:59 PM

    I think the Syrians and Saudis were friends because they both were helping sunni groups in Iraq (until it was deemed unislamic to kill US troops lulz) not because they were both against the west and Israel. The only time Saudi has had any backbone was when King Faisal was around, unsurprisingly he was assassinated.  Saudi has always opposed armed resistance against Israel and always will, no Israel = no Saudi, meaning if Israel is no longer a threat, then their monarch becomes the next target.
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #32 - March 02, 2012, 05:07 PM

    I'm not sure, you may be right, but I think the saudis are more duplicitous than you give them credit for. Given that the imams in the country only ever spew hate towards Israel and the west (and they allow this, yet liberal dissent is forbidden), they pay for similar style mosques abroad, and school textbooks are filled with such rhetoric-I'm leaning towards thinking that what was said in private between Assads and the Saudi royalty would have been sweet words fo agreement. Especially since Syria has been Iran's friend for a long time and Iran is enemy number one for Saudi Arabia-this seems to have been a strong common ground. I may be wrong, but it does seem that Saudi often plays these games.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #33 - March 02, 2012, 05:28 PM

    Why is their hate always to do with society or myths like killing Jews in the end times? Why isn't their hate ever to do with modern day politics? I think it was Osama who said that they're clerics are so blind they're busy debating whether the niqab is fard or optional, whilst muslimahs are being murdered all around the world---from a muslim POV he's right  Tongue Its all political, even their heavy-handed tactics against dissent, check the guy below out, he's said far 'blasphemous' things than that blogger but because Islamists have called him an apostate he's living under protection  Cheesy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turki_al-Hamad

    Purging Iran's/shia influence is one of the reasons why they want Assad out.

    Here's the way I see Saudi politics, after the siege on Mecca, the Imams basically said to the ruling family "give us petro-dollars for dawah and we'll help achieve you're political policies" , some of those Imams are hoping that very dawah (extremist literature, funding Islamists etc.) will help remove the monarch one day, others don't really care and are just in it for the $ ie "scholars for $" the rest are just plain stupid.
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #34 - March 02, 2012, 05:42 PM

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/03/hardtalk/al_hamad19jun.ram

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #35 - March 02, 2012, 08:06 PM



    Steve bell, awesome as always  001_wub
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #36 - March 02, 2012, 08:10 PM

    Aphrodite, were you born retarded or as you just making a special effort for the forum? Are you even an Ex-Muslim?
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #37 - March 02, 2012, 08:12 PM

     Huh?
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #38 - March 02, 2012, 08:17 PM

    Aphrodite, were you born retarded or as you just making a special effort for the forum? Are you even an Ex-Muslim?


    Come on mate, no need to be abusive. If you've got issues with the arguments she makes, address them. No need to be personal.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #39 - March 02, 2012, 08:17 PM

    Huh?


    You say so much Pro-Muslim, Pro-Arab, Pro-Islam shit, at ever opportunity you want to insult Israel.
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #40 - March 02, 2012, 08:20 PM

    Come on mate, no need to be abusive. If you've got issues with the arguments she makes, address them. No need to be personal.



    My bad, but its just so frustrating to see a mind wasted like this. The Jews are not the problem. It's Islam. Pakis are seen as irrational, conspiracy theorists even though many might be secularist and educated, last thing I want is someone fitting that stereotype on an EXMUSLIM forum.
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #41 - March 02, 2012, 08:21 PM


    OK Tut, so address her arguments, but leave the ad hominem personal attacks out please Smiley

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #42 - March 02, 2012, 08:23 PM

    You say so much Pro-Muslim, Pro-Arab, Pro-Islam shit, at ever opportunity you want to insult Israel.


    Ummm in case you didn't notice this is about the CIVIL WAR in Syria, so if I 'choose' either side I'm going to be Pro-Muslim/Pro-Arab, insult Israel? lulz. Btw, I posted a video earlier of Muslims desecrating Christian graves  Tongue


    My bad, but its just so frustrating to see a mind wasted like this. The Jews are not the problem. It's Islam. Pakis are seen as irrational, conspiracy theorists even though many might be secularist and educated, last thing I want is someone fitting that stereotype on an EXMUSLIM forum.


    You fitted that stereotype, the minute you got abusive---can't handle other people (esp women) having a different opinion? How typical of you   Tongue
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #43 - March 02, 2012, 08:27 PM

    Cool yo.
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #44 - March 02, 2012, 09:00 PM

    Keep it out of this thread please, people are dying every day and it's a serious issue, take it elsewhere if you don't mind.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #45 - March 02, 2012, 09:07 PM

    Why is their hate always to do with society or myths like killing Jews in the end times? Why isn't their hate ever to do with modern day politics? I think it was Osama who said that they're clerics are so blind they're busy debating whether the niqab is fard or optional, whilst muslimahs are being murdered all around the world---from a muslim POV he's right  Tongue Its all political, even their heavy-handed tactics against dissent, check the guy below out, he's said far 'blasphemous' things than that blogger but because Islamists have called him an apostate he's living under protection  Cheesy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turki_al-Hamad

    Purging Iran's/shia influence is one of the reasons why they want Assad out.

    Here's the way I see Saudi politics, after the siege on Mecca, the Imams basically said to the ruling family "give us petro-dollars for dawah and we'll help achieve you're political policies" , some of those Imams are hoping that very dawah (extremist literature, funding Islamists etc.) will help remove the monarch one day, others don't really care and are just in it for the $ ie "scholars for $" the rest are just plain stupid.


    I'm not sure-whatever Saudi intentions are, I'm not happy with them arming Islamists-just my thoughts, while the FSA can be sectarian in parts, I  don't have a huge problem with Turkey etc arming them, but directly arming Islamists is just a no-no.

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Steve bell, awesome as always  001_wub


    I'm not sure-if I understand this cartoon correctly then I find it quite cynical for the writer to capitalise on the murder of Syrian people and the impending civil war to spread a left-wing/anti-'imperialist' message. Obviously I'm not complaining about you, I really appreciate the fact that you post a fresh opinion in this thread, it's appreciated (even if some people can't handle it), but I'm not fond of left/right politics when it comes to serious situations.

    I was never a fan of the Iraq war, but I can sort of sympathise with Hitchens' position right about now.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #46 - March 02, 2012, 11:01 PM

    I'm not sure-if I understand this cartoon correctly then I find it quite cynical for the writer to capitalise on the murder of Syrian people and the impending civil war to spread a left-wing/anti-'imperialist' message. Obviously I'm not complaining about you, I really appreciate the fact that you post a fresh opinion in this thread, it's appreciated (even if some people can't handle it), but I'm not fond of left/right politics when it comes to serious situations.

    I was never a fan of the Iraq war, but I can sort of sympathise with Hitchens' position right about now.


    Its an attack on the "Syrian National Council" who seem to want foreign intervention for their own gains and its something the people who are protesting don't want, and I agree. The Assad regime is on its last legs and will fall soon, any form of foreign intervention (even Arab troops or UN "peacekeepers") will cause even more chaos.

    The Iraq war was a disaster, the country is far worse now. There's far more poverty, intolerance, women's rights are eroding and so on. But the soldiers of democracy have left so things are looking up  Smiley
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #47 - March 02, 2012, 11:12 PM

    What makes you think Assad's going to fall? His father massacred far more - with the tacit approval of the 'West' - lives and weathered the democratic storm. If anything, the reluctance of a unified international response and the reticence of NATO to deploy any military action will embolden the murderous regime.
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #48 - March 02, 2012, 11:20 PM

    You say so much Pro-Muslim, Pro-Arab, Pro-Islam shit, at ever opportunity you want to insult Israel.



    I am Pro-Muslim, Pro-Arab, Pro-Islam' and not a very big fan of Israel. And what? The world isn't black and white - just because you left Islam doesn't mean you are anti-Islam, develop hatred for Arabs and suddenly realise International laws shouldn't apply to Israel!
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #49 - March 02, 2012, 11:32 PM

    What makes you think Assad's going to fall? His father massacred far more - with the tacit approval of the 'West' - lives and weathered the democratic storm. If anything, the reluctance of a unified international response and the reticence of NATO to deploy any military action will embolden the murderous regime.


    I think the gulf Arab states are so fearful of Iranian influence that they'll arm the rebels even if they don't get approval from the US. Turkey can't backtrack either, they know if they want a friendly Syria they now need get rid of Assad because they've taken sides. The civil war is just an extension of sectarian conflict in the region.
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #50 - March 02, 2012, 11:42 PM

    Those arms will be no match against the  far superior weaponry and air power of the Assad's military - who are far more professional.  The sectarian violence will only serve the regime's interests, who are portraying themselves as the last bastion of hope against the country turning into another Iraq.  Just goes to show, religion is more of  a hindrance than help for humanity!
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #51 - March 02, 2012, 11:51 PM

    I don't know, a load of anti-tank missiles could change the tide of the war. Air power hasn't been used yet and I don't think it will. Well religion is playing a good and bad role, on one hand its a source of hope and revolution but also a source of sectarian hatred.
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #52 - March 03, 2012, 01:50 AM

    What makes you think Assad's going to fall? His father massacred far more - with the tacit approval of the 'West' - lives and weathered the democratic storm. If anything, the reluctance of a unified international response and the reticence of NATO to deploy any military action will embolden the murderous regime.


    Assad's dad massacred Hama in secret, other than the inhabitants ot hama, not many people were aware of it. My parents are Syrians and they never heard of it until they came to the UK (my dad was a reservist sergeant in the army at the time) and read about on Wikipedia a few years ago.

    This time, the world is watching, it's not a protest in one town, but everywhere, by a lot of people, and yes, it's turning into a civil war. This is nothing like the Hama massacre

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #53 - March 03, 2012, 02:00 AM

    Its an attack on the "Syrian National Council" who seem to want foreign intervention for their own gains and its something the people who are protesting don't want, and I agree. The Assad regime is on its last legs and will fall soon, any form of foreign intervention (even Arab troops or UN "peacekeepers") will cause even more chaos.

    The Iraq war was a disaster, the country is far worse now. There's far more poverty, intolerance, women's rights are eroding and so on. But the soldiers of democracy have left so things are looking up  Smiley



    I'm not sure. I know quite a lot of protesters/dissidents and more people are supportive of democratic forces/SNC than it seems, and not as many (other than poor mobs) are in support of the brotherhood. Actually, if I'm honest, most ot my family are still regime supporters/apathetic as they belong to the rich Sunnis who were close to the govt. My Grande was number two in the ministry of agriculture in the 80s/early 90s

    Anyway, it's hard to judge which group supports which group. All we have are pictures, videos, blogs, anecdotal evidence and the ever unreliable western media rather than hard statistics and proven facts. I'm not sure you've given the moderate forces a fair image but that's just my opinion, and again, I always appreciate healthy discussion, thanks.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #54 - March 03, 2012, 02:13 AM

    Those arms will be no match against the  far superior weaponry and air power of the Assad's military - who are far more professional.  The sectarian violence will only serve the regime's interests, who are portraying themselves as the last bastion of hope against the country turning into another Iraq.  Just goes to show, religion is more of  a hindrance than help for humanity!


    I have read accounts from military (senior) defectors who state that the money is wearing thin, as is morale, and that a lot of the colonels and soldiers (especially Sunni ones) have deserted. Anyway, once the international court of opinion and the domestic court of approval have agreed a regime's days are numbered then it's to be. The mote sectarian this issue becomes the more likely that the regime will fall. People forget that 60% of the army are Sunnis, as is most of the air force including top leadership) and most of the money (even more so now that the regime's foreign accounts have been frozen), business, and civil service as well as the regional governors are Sunni. While they still are on the side of the regime, if the war becomes all out sectarian then they wont be. Its important for the regime to try to keep themiddle upper class urbanites as friends and they know that, that's why they tried this referendum, and that's why gov.  media is careful what language they use.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #55 - March 03, 2012, 02:46 AM

    I have read accounts from military (senior) defectors ..............

    just curious Sprout   what   % of Syrian army is Sunni Muslims?


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #56 - March 03, 2012, 03:08 AM

    Around 70,000 of the 200,000 professional army are Sunnis, around 220,000 out of 300,000 of the conscripts. I would say in total usually 60% but given the situation I would say 45%. Whenever army members die these days the govt publishes the names, ranks and hometowns of the 'martyrs' on sana.sy. While most of the generals, warrant officers who die are alawi (although you do still see Sunni names) from lattakia, at least half of the dead conscripts are Sunnis on average.


    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #57 - March 06, 2012, 07:22 PM

    Two important articles that I had to share:

    One is the view from Aleppo, it's a good insight into the crumbling economy and society and how it has reached Syria's second most prosperous and hitherto stable city, quite worrying:

    http://syriacomment.com/

    Quote


    Is Aleppo Slipping out of Government Control?[/size]


    Tuesday, March 6th, 2012


    A friend from Aleppo wrote me over the weekend that he believes that the northern suburbs of Aleppo are falling out of government control. In particular, the poorer towns of Azaz, Hreitan, and Anadan, which are on the road to Turkey, have been taken over by opposition groups. On February 27, a number of local residents were killed by the military, setting off protests and violent confrontations with local security. He does not believe the regime’s end is imminent because the armed groups are not centrally organized. All the same, the migration of neighborhoods out of government control is unceasing. Although the government has retaken Homs, it is losing Aleppo and the broader North, an area that has long been fertile ground for Islamist currents.

    He writes:

    I just had a long conversation with friends and family in Aleppo. It may not be long before the city joins the revolution, I believe. My father could not travel by car to the border with Turkey. No driver dares take the roads north any longer. The drive to Turkey is only a half-hour. The working-class neighborhoods of Azaz, Hreitan and Anadan have largely fallen out of government control. Friends who own factories in the industrial regions outside of Aleppo complain that for a week now they have been unable to visit them. Lack of security, frequent anti-regime demonstrations and clashes between militants and the army make the excursion impossible.

    I am a partner in one Aleppo factory that was attacked Sunday night (March 4). The attackers beat up the two night security guards and bound them. They then lifted the whole safe box and carried it out of the factory. Thankfully, the safe only contained syp 350,000 and not more. Also thankfully they did not burn the place down, as has happened to some Aleppo factory owners.

    The fact that neighborhoods, such as Azaz, Hreitan and Anadan have fallen out of government control is significant because cars can no longer travel, even in daylight, to Turkey from Aleppo. The entire boarder area is becoming unsafe. This is much worse than Baba Amr or Khaldiye falling out of government control from the point of view of security because Turkey is the base for the Free Syrian Army, arms exports into Syria, and most opposition groups.

    To make maters worse, the Syrian Pound has fallen to 83 to the dollar. This means that the net worth of every Syrian has fallen by over 70% since the beginning of the uprising. People do not have enough to eat. More than half the country is living on two dollars a day or less. Hunger and fear are spreading.

    Even the middle and upper classes that live in the city centers are beginning to panic and look for a way out of the country. Plane flights to Lebanon from Aleppo are booked for the next month. The exodus has begun.


    This is the first real breakdown of Aleppo control. My sister says law and order is deteriorating in the center of Aleppo as well. Armed elements are kidnapping folks for ransom, breaking into houses, and beating people up and stealing their jewelry and money. My wife’s relative, the Gharo family, was invaded in Aleppo today.  A guy rang the intercom and said he was from the security service. He was buzzed in and went upstairs to their apartment. When the Gharos opened the door, a group of thugs went in, grabbed their young son and held a knife to his neck and demanded every valuable in the apartment. When they got their loot, they fled!

    Government forces are doing their share of damage. Michael Aswad, a patriach of a prominent Christian family, was killed by the security service last week, apparently by accident when he didn’t stop the taxi he was in as he entered the security zone around his apartment. A high-ranking official lives in his apartment. His death has mortified upper-class Aleppines because he was killed in the city center.

    The ability of the government to supply basic goods and services has crumbled. Now security is evaporating. More and more Syrians realize that the state is losing control and are taking maters into their own hands.




    The economy is probably going to turn the pressure up on this pressure cooker, speaking of pressure, this is also very important, and I find the article's main point agreeable, and also a warning to fence-sitters and anti-interventionists.

    http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC06.php?CID=1835

    Quote

    Why Delayed Intervention in Syria Could Cause Radicalization

    By Soner Cagaptay
    CNN Global Public Square, March 2, 2012

    A new argument against intervention in Syria is that since the opposition consists of radical Islamist elements, the United States and other countries should shy away from supporting the rebellion against the Bashar al-Assad regime for fear that they might empower Islamists.
    I recently visited Turkey, stopping in cities near the Syrian border such as Antakya and Gaziantep. During this trip, I talked to people who are in daily contact with Syrians, including professors at Zirve University in Gaziantep, an international school that has Syrian students, and American journalists who had just returned from Syria. I did not find any evidence that Islamists run the uprising, yet I left Turkey thinking that delayed intervention against the al-Assad regime could surely lead to building Islamist resentment towards al-Assad to the point of empowering radicals in Syria.

    In this regard, there is a lesson to be learned from the war in Bosnia in the 1990s. When the Yugoslav Army started its attack on Bosnia in 1992, Bosnian Muslims (also known as Bosniacs) held the distinction of being the world's "most secular Muslims." The Bosniacs' embrace of Islam was non-political, and one's level of religiosity was a personal matter. The Bosniacs even ate pork liberally, a violation of orthodox Islam that shocked even their fellow liberal Muslims in Turkey.

    Only a couple of years after the onslaught against the Bosniacs began, though, Bosnia's "pork-eating" Muslims were flirting with radical Islamists, including Iranian agents and jihadists. As the outside world watched Serbian forces slaughter Bosniacs, these people increasingly came to view their persecution through a religious lens. They started to believe that (Christian) Serbs were targeting them because of their (Muslim) faith and that the outside world turned a blind eye to their persecution because of their Islamic religion. This process led to a rapid politicization of the Bosniacs' Muslim identity. Previously secular and even irreligious Bosniacs started to view the world through a religiously-guided Manichean perspective.

    This persecution-driven metamorphosis -- a historical phenomenon not uncommon among Muslim communities -- transformed the Bosnian political landscape quickly and radically. Jihadists, previously considered alien and shunned by Bosniacs, could now find refugee in Bosnia. In fact, when the outside world, led by the United States, decided to intervene in Bosnia in 1995, it was justified by the fear of speedy Bosniac radicalization.

    Even though the conflict in Syria lacks an inter-religious dimension, it has a sectarian overtone that could lead to Islamic politicization in Syria akin to that in Bosnia.

    The al-Assad regime's inner circle is composed of Alawites, an offshoot of Islam, while the opposition is mostly made up of Sunni Muslims. Even if the protestors' demand for democracy is non-religious, the fact that the al-Assad regime and its (Alawite) supporters are brutally killing (Sunni) demonstrators is already giving the conflict in Syria a sectarian hue. Persecution-driven metamorphosis of Islamic identity can reshape the conflict as a religious one -- one pitting Alawites against Sunnis, and Sunnis against Alawites.

    As anecdotal evidence suggests, some protestors already view their persecution through a religious lens, believing that the regime is targeting them not because they demand democracy, but because it is an Alawite machine trying to massacre the Sunnis. And the more the outside world sits idly by as Syrians are slaughtered, the more the Sunnis in Syria will believe that the world turns a blind eye to such horrors because of their religion.

    Add to this the fact that some orthodox Sunnis do not consider Alawites rightful Muslims, and it could be a matter of months before radical elements such as al Qaeda start a propaganda war to depict the Syrian conflict as one of "non-Muslim" Alawites killing Muslims. This perception would transform the fighting as well as send sectarian waves across the Middle East's fragile landscape. At the same time, it could lead to the radicalization of Syria, turning the country into a fertile recruitment ground for radical groups.

    The sooner the international community is able to help end the killing in Syria, the more likely it will be able to prevent the radicalization of the country's population along sectarian and even religious lines. In Bosnia, after some soul searching, the international community concluded that intervention was the way to end the radicalization of Muslims. What was true in Bosnia appears to also be true in Syria.



    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #58 - March 06, 2012, 07:26 PM


    Seems like a damned if we do, damned if we don't scenario.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Syria.....President Bashar Al-Assad
     Reply #59 - March 06, 2012, 07:27 PM

    Yep, but the expected value in this situation isn't zero-stopping the massacre should be the first intention, what comes after is irrelevant at this point.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
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