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 Topic: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France

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  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #30 - March 21, 2012, 01:55 PM

    Apparently the guy isn't a part of AQ proper, but part of the Shariah4Uk, Shariah4everwhere... offshoots.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #31 - March 21, 2012, 02:12 PM

    Mohamed Merah: the road to radicalization  A link talks


    Quote
    TOULOUSE - For Mohamed Merah, the Frenchman suspected of killing four Jews and three Muslim soldiers in southwestern France, the road to radicalization ran from Toulouse to Kandahar in Afghanistan.  Merah, 24, who was holed up in a suburban Toulouse apartment on Wednesday, besieged by police commandos from the elite RAID unit, claimed affiliation with al Qaeda and said he wanted to avenge Palestinian children, French Interior Minister Claude Gueant said.

    The suspect, a French citizen of Algerian origin, had been under surveillance by France's domestic intelligence service for several years after being identified in Afghanistan. But he led a normal life of soccer and night clubbing, according to friends and neighbours who had no idea that he had been in Afghanistan.  Merah had a police record for several minor offences, some involving violence, Gueant told reporters, "but there was no evidence that he was planning such criminal actions."

    As police psychologists tried to talk him into surrendering peacefully, Merah gave the same impression of calm determination and self-control as the gunman on a scooter recorded by security cameras at the Ozer Hatorah Jewish school in Toulouse on Monday. "With the RAID negotiators, he explained a lot about his itinerary," Gueant said.

    "His radicalization took place in a Salafist ideological group and seems to have been firmed up by two journeys he made to Afghanistan and Pakistan."

    During one of those trips, Merah was arrested in Kandahar and sentenced to three years in prison for planting bombs in the province but escaped in a mass Taliban jail break in 2008, the director of Kandahar prison told Reuters.  Ghulam Faruq said Merah was detained by Afghan security services on Dec. 19, 2007. Afghan intelligence officials passed on his identity to their French counterparts, a security source said.

    TRAINED WITH TALIBAN?

    The daily Le Monde said Merah had trained with Pakistani Taliban fighters in a border tribal zone before being sent into southwestern Afghanistan to fight against NATO forces supporting the Kabul government.  French troops are part of that NATO operation, which may explain why the first victims of the gunman's killing spree were serving paratroopers killed in Toulouse on March 11 and Montauban on March 15.

    that is what link says..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #32 - March 21, 2012, 02:20 PM

    French shooting suspect Mohamed Merah ‘arrested’ ...  says  news
    Quote
    There are conflicting reports this morning about whether a gunman suspected of killing seven people in the name of al-Qaeda, including three children at a Jewish school, had been arrested by police. Local media reported the 12-hour siege in southwestern France had ended in the arrest of the suspect, identified as Mohamed Merah. Those reports have now been denied by the French Interior Minister but President Nicolas Sarkozy was expected to speak to the nation shortly..  Merah had been arrested for bomb making in the southern Afghan province of Kandahar in 2007 but escaped months later in a Taliban prison break, the director of prisons in Kandahar said.

    Merah, a French citizen of Algerian origin, was suspected of killing seven people in the name of al Qaeda, including three children at a Jewish school in southwestern France. Kandahar prison chief Ghulam Faruq said that security forces detained Merah on Dec. 19, 2007, and he was sentenced to three years in jail for planting bombs in Kandahar province, the Taliban’s birthplace.

    Merah escaped jail along with up to 1,000 prisoners, including 400 Taliban insurgents, during a Taliban attack on southern Afghanistan’s main prison in June 2008...


    read it all at the link..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #33 - March 21, 2012, 03:20 PM

    i'm not buying it.

    a) these don't seem like the actions of an islamic terrorist.

    b) what evidence is there that this guy is connected to the murders?

    c) all three soldiers killed were muslim. seems like whoever it was was targeting minorities, including muslims.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #34 - March 21, 2012, 03:45 PM


    It'll be clear soon enough.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #35 - March 21, 2012, 03:57 PM

    is that all you got? a guy gets arrested and all there is is "wait and see"? whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? the guy is all over the media and there isn't even any connection to the crimes. this is just pathetic. goes to show how people have come to accept anything the govt tells them as long as officials pull out the "islamic terrorist" fear-mongering card.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #36 - March 21, 2012, 04:18 PM

    I agree with you Abood about not jumping to conclusions, innocent till proven guilty, etc.  But let's not get all paranoid about the islamic terrorist fear mongering, this problem is hardly unique to muslims who are accused of crimes.  I've seen many a non muslim person tried, convicted and hounded by the press with no evidence of guilt, even after a court has acquitted them.  Remember Colin Stagg?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #37 - March 21, 2012, 04:29 PM

    is that all you got?


    Saying that the truth will come out isn't a piece of rhetorical ammunition of mine - its a statement of allowing the process to run its course.

    I've got an open mind, which is why (unlike some media) I pointed out that the perpetrators could come from more than one ideological background when the story broke, and urged caution in ascribing responsibility.

    Those who would dismiss outright and ascribe to gullibility the possibility that an Islamist perpetrated this are in denial.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #38 - March 21, 2012, 04:42 PM

    Quote
    i'm not buying it.

    a) these don't seem like the actions of an islamic terrorist.

    b) what evidence is there that this guy is connected to the murders?

    c) all three soldiers killed were muslim. seems like whoever it was was targeting minorities, including muslims.

    is that all you got? a guy gets arrested and all there is is "wait and see"? whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? the guy is all over the media and there isn't even any connection to the crimes. this is just pathetic. goes to show how people have come to accept anything the govt tells them as long as officials pull out the "islamic terrorist" fear-mongering card.

    I agree with you Abood about not jumping to conclusions, innocent till proven guilty, etc.  But let's not get all paranoid about the islamic terrorist fear mongering, this problem is hardly unique to muslims who are accused of crimes.  I've seen many a non muslim person tried, convicted and hounded by the press with no evidence of guilt, even after a court has acquitted them.  Remember Colin Stagg?



    Hmm good points.,  very good points..  well he gets tons of money if it is similar to Colin Stagg case...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2wD3iaIOxw


    on the other hand this fool(innocent) need not stay holed in a house when 100s of police with full fire power  surrounded the house..

     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #39 - March 21, 2012, 04:45 PM

    I thought neo nazis paratroopers were initially suspected?

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #40 - March 21, 2012, 04:59 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDQzlnKqUz8

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #41 - March 21, 2012, 05:03 PM

    I thought neo nazis paratroopers were initially suspected?


    They were:

    Quote
    Three soldiers expelled from the army in 2008 for neo-Nazi activities have now been cleared of any involvement in the shootings. The three were members of the same parachute regiment in Montauban as the soldiers killed in the attacks on 11 and 15 March.

    Earlier, Mr Gueant said inquiries had taken place "regarding soldiers who were kicked out of the army and who might want to seek revenge".


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17445305


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #42 - March 21, 2012, 05:06 PM

    Is it ever about the individual's specific ideology? I doubt it. The vast majority of hardline Muslims (and even most political extremists) sit at home and do not a lot about their convictions, I think it requires an ill mind to perpetrate such acts as opposed to a committed ideologue-therefore the identity of the perpetrator isn't important, not to me at least, what matters is their mindset and their conditions, and how best to solve any psychological conditions a person may have and to try and limit their affects on the general populace. Preaching against Islam or right-wing politics won't stop the psychologically ill from committing such heinous acts in the future. Obviously when it's a large scale issue (a community, or a country f.ex) then the issue may stem from the ideology, but in individual cases like this the actor is usually acting outside of any communal values-regardless of what those values may be.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #43 - March 21, 2012, 05:11 PM

    c) all three soldiers killed were muslim. seems like whoever it was was targeting minorities, including muslims.


    ? ? ? You seriously can't see what's wrong with this argument?

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #44 - March 21, 2012, 05:43 PM

    I agree with you Abood about not jumping to conclusions, innocent till proven guilty, etc.  But let's not get all paranoid about the islamic terrorist fear mongering, this problem is hardly unique to muslims who are accused of crimes.  I've seen many a non muslim person tried, convicted and hounded by the press with no evidence of guilt, even after a court has acquitted them.  Remember Colin Stagg?

    this isn't just a "crime", it's a politicized terrorist attack. muslims and arabs will get the brunt of it.

    excuse me for being suspicious that this was the doing of an islamist, especially in a country that has a long history of alienating, marginalizing and blaming muslims and arabs, especially under the presidency of the right-wing, xenophobic, racist bigot who has been spewing bullshit before he even came to office, especially at a time so close to elections, especially when the president has been increasingly attacking minorities, presumably to win over supporters of the National Front.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #45 - March 21, 2012, 05:54 PM

    I don't know what you're ranting at me for, I'm agreeing with you.  I'm just pointing out that its not purely muslims who fall prey to press scare tactics.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #46 - March 21, 2012, 05:57 PM

    i'm saying that there's a difference between press scare tactics when it comes to crime and when it comes to politicized terrorist attacks. media tend to blame the latter on muslims, even without evidence, and france has a history of blaming north african / arab / muslim immigrants for all its problems.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #47 - March 21, 2012, 06:00 PM

    Dude, what world are you living in? -__- People I know, my relatives, tell me all about how they'd just love to kill Jews. It's far, far, ridiculously far more likely that an unstable Islamist actually went through with it, than that this is just some big conspiracy.

    Keep in mind that in Algeria, just after independence, between 30,000 and 150,000 Muslims were killed by their fellow Muslims for having been part of the French army/for having assisted the French army (the harkis).

    Plus, I was just watching TV, and apparently the dude even confessed.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #48 - March 21, 2012, 06:01 PM

    I'm not saying he definitely did it -- I'm just saying that at this point, it seems pretty likely he did.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #49 - March 21, 2012, 06:01 PM

    There's a difference between scare tactics against an individual and against a group, I get that.  But my point stands - muslims are not the only ones who get on the receiving end of it, in all countries not just France.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #50 - March 21, 2012, 06:02 PM

    They tracked him down through his motorbike, I understand.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #51 - March 21, 2012, 06:02 PM

    Dude, what world are you living in? -__- People I know, my relatives, tell me all about how they'd just love to kill Jews. It's far, far, ridiculously far more likely that an unstable Islamist actually went through with it, than that this is just some big conspiracy.

    Keep in mind that in Algeria, just after independence, between 30,000 and 150,000 Muslims were killed by their fellow Muslims for having been part of the French army/for having assisted the French army (the harkis).

    Plus, I was just watching TV, and apparently the dude even confessed.


    Big deal.. Gerry Conlon confessed to the Guildford bombings, and he was innocent.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #52 - March 21, 2012, 06:04 PM

    It is a big deal. It's not conclusive, but it's pretty strong evidence.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #53 - March 21, 2012, 06:05 PM

    the justice system is flawed. confessions tend to give a much shorter sentence, which is why defendants tend to be told to confess, especially when the odds are against them, such as when the whole country is watching.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #54 - March 21, 2012, 06:06 PM

    He confessed before he was arrested, as I understand. He seems to be proud of it, unrepentant.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #55 - March 21, 2012, 06:09 PM

    where is his confession? i'm not going to believe it unless i see some sort of primary evidence. the media saying "he confessed" doesn't mean he did.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #56 - March 21, 2012, 06:11 PM

    Fine, let's wait and see.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #57 - March 21, 2012, 06:12 PM

     Cheesy
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #58 - March 21, 2012, 06:12 PM

    He confessed before he was arrested, as I understand. He seems to be proud of it, unrepentant.


    Evidence please?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #59 - March 21, 2012, 06:17 PM

    Cheesy


    What? Did I say I was sure he did it? I'm just saying I think it's highly likely. You want something conclusive, you're gonna have to wait for that.

    Evidence please?


    At this point we can only take the police's word for it. If you want conclusive evidence, you have to wait.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
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