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 Topic: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France

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  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #90 - March 21, 2012, 07:59 PM

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    And based on the information I have, it seems extremely likely (but not sure, yes) that he is at least involved in the shooting.


    But that is not allowed!  You are inferring stuff, that is not proof or evidence.  And the fact he was in prison in Afghanistan for bomb making or throwing - unclear which - and escaped in a Taliban arranged mass breakout and was on the security services radar is of course irrelevant, as will be the films of him doing it.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #91 - March 21, 2012, 08:31 PM

    Cut the condescending act, please, Moi.  Media reports in past cases have made suspects out to look as guilty as sin, and then they turned out to be innocent.  To be aware of that and preserve a healthy skepticism until we know more is not anything like the stupidity you are accusing me of in the post above.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #92 - March 21, 2012, 09:09 PM

    Sometimes it is not healthy scepticism, but a weird post modernist allegedly politically correct refusal to come to a conclusion, which actually is immoral.


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #93 - March 21, 2012, 09:11 PM

    This is not one of those times. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #94 - March 21, 2012, 09:29 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN_pLI-DAV4

    Man apparently that 24 year old young baboon says ., your burkha ban is one of the reason to shoot those kids in the head..


     
    well


    that apparently is the image of  that 23 year old Mohamed Merah


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPfkN0fFedE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJZnlVdWD6w

    well read all that at telegraph.co.uk

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #95 - March 21, 2012, 09:45 PM

    Well I am not sure hoe true it is but this  euronews.com says
    Quote
    French police arrest siege gunman – report

    TOULOUSE, France (Reuters) – A gunman suspected of killing seven people, including three Jewish children, in the name of al Qaeda was arrested after a 12-hour police siege in the city of Toulouse, French television channels reported on Wednesday.




    The Victims of that school shootings.. 30-year-old Jonathan Sandler, his kids  Arieh, 5, and Gabriel, 4, and seven-year-old Miriam Monsonego

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #96 - March 21, 2012, 09:51 PM

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    What a tragic, evil joke. An [Islamist] shooter in the beautiful, almost magical, city of Toulouse, France, murders three Jewish children and a teacher in front of their school. Various VIPs issue statements about how terrible is this deed, how unspeakable.

    And yet at that very moment, the next round of murders, the next slanderous and inciting antisemitic lies are being perpetrated by respectable people and institutions. There is no real soul-searching, no true effort to do better, no serious examination about how the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish hysteria is paving the way to murder… [emphasis added]

    During the attack at the Jewish school, when the suspect’s 9mm weapon jammed he switched to a .45-calibre gun, entered the school gates and chased children as they fled for cover. He reportedly cornered eight-year old Miriam, the daughter of the school principal, Yaacov Monsonego (the blond haired girl in the photo above).

    He then put the gun to her and fired a bullet through her head.



    http://cifwatch.com/2012/03/21/french-islamist-responsible-for-murder-of-jews-in-toulouse-guardian-blames-anti-immigrant-rhetoric/

    http://www.zionismontheweb.org/Anti-Zionism_is_racism.htm

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    Judea Pearl is a professor of computer science at UCLA and president of the Daniel Pearl Foundation, named after his son.

    Daniel Pearl was a journalist who was kidnapped and murdered in Pakistan while investigating the case of a convicted shoe bomber. The Foundation seeks continue Daniel Pearl's mission and uphold his principles which included: uncompromised objectivity and integrity; insightful and unconventional perspective; tolerance and respect for people of all cultures; unshaken belief in the effectiveness of education and communication; and the love of music, humor, and friendship.

    Judea Pearl is co-editor of “I am Jewish: Personal Reflections Inspired by the Last Words of Daniel Pearl” (Jewish Lights, 2004), winner of the National Jewish Book Award.



    Anti-Zionism is Racism

    by Judea Pearl

    In the past three months, I have visited four “troubled” campuses — Duke, York (Canada), Columbia and UC Irvine — where tensions between Jewish and anti-Zionist students and professors have attracted national attention. In these visits, I have spoken to students, faculty and administrators, and I have obtained a fairly gloomy picture of the situation on those and other campuses.

    Jewish students are currently subjected to an unprecedented assault on their identity as Jews. And we, the Jewish faculty on campus, have let those students down. We have failed to equip them with effective tools to fight back this assault.

    We can reverse this trend.

    Many condemn anti-Zionism for being a flimsy cover for anti-Semitism. I disagree. The order is wrong. I condemn anti-Semitism for being an instrument for a worse form of racism: anti-Zionism.

    In other words, I submit that anti-Zionism is a form of racism more dangerous than classical anti-Semitism. Framing anti-Zionism as racism is precisely the weapon that our students need for survival on campus.


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #97 - March 21, 2012, 10:01 PM

    oh god shut up
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #98 - March 21, 2012, 10:27 PM

      Stop FUCKING using Palestinian cause  to justify terror says  PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad




    Mourners stand around the bodies of the victims of Monday's shooting in Toulouse during their joint funeral service in Jerusalem, March 21, 2012. A gunman, suspected of killing three children and a rabbi at a Jewish school in the name of al-Qaida, said on Wednesday he would hand himself over to police after an hours-long siege in which he wounded three officer

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    PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad on Wednesday condemned the killing of three children and a rabbi at a Jewish school in France, rejecting the suspected gunman's motive of avenging Palestinian children killed by Israel.  This terrorist crime is condemned in the strongest terms by the Palestinian people and our children ... No Palestinian child can accept crimes against innocent people," Fayyad said in a statement.  Fayyad slammed the shootings as an "attack on innocent lives ... a cowardly terrorist act," and he denounced the attempt to link the crime to solidarity with Palestinians.

    "It is time for these criminals to stop exploiting the name of Palestine through their terrorist actions, and to stop pretending to stand up for Palestinian children, who only seek a decent life for themselves and for all children of the world," he added... Noting the prior attack had targeted Muslim soldiers, the diplomats said the reported links between the shootings suggest "the murderer is driven by a multi-faceted racist hatred."

    "We warn against any political exploitation of these events, and wish to assure the families and relatives of victims of our solidarity, and we join them in their pain and their grief," it added...

      Well that is what  Prime Minister of PA Salam Fayyad  says.,   The only thing I added is that word "Fucking"..   that word is NOT from Salam Fayyad ..


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #99 - March 21, 2012, 10:33 PM

    Well I am not sure hoe true it is but this  euronews.com says
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    The Victims of that school shootings.. 30-year-old Jonathan Sandler, his kids  Arieh, 5, and Gabriel, 4, and seven-year-old Miriam Monsonego


    Arguments about the press and politics aside, this is a tragedy.  Thanks for posting pictures of the victims, Yeezevee, they're the people we should be thinking of, not arguing about Israel or the press.

    I hope whoever did this is caught, convicted and the courts throw away the key.  I also hope there's no hate campaign stirred up either by or against muslims in their names.  Cry

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #100 - March 21, 2012, 10:37 PM

    Yeezevee - I'm sure the Palestinian Prime Minister was thinking the word, even though he didn't say it.    Afro

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #101 - March 21, 2012, 11:27 PM

    Sometimes it is not healthy scepticism, but a weird post modernist allegedly politically correct refusal to come to a conclusion

    The best thing about this forum is that it isn't like that.

    It's open-minded, clear-eyed and judges without rushing to judgement.

    (Honourable exception: Q-Rapist.)
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #102 - March 22, 2012, 12:20 AM

    I wonder how much coverage this is going to get compared with the civilian shootings in Afghanistan

    but you don't get it prince, the war in afghanistan is complex and nuanced and stuffz!
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #103 - March 22, 2012, 12:56 AM

    Thanks for posting pictures of the victims, Yeezevee, they're the people we should be thinking of, not arguing about Israel or the press.

    Speaking about that, is there any confirmation that the soldiers were killed by the same man ? We should post their pictures too.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #104 - March 22, 2012, 01:04 AM

    Speaking about that, is there any confirmation that the soldiers were killed by the same man ? We should post their pictures too.

    Yes ., Apparently this nut case used same gun on those soldiers ... and the victims are




    French paratroopers Imad Ibn Ziaten, Abel Chennouf and Mohamed Legouade were killed  last week by the same gunman responsible for the Ozar Hatorah shooting in Toulouse, police believe.


    We must realize all those three French Paratroopers killed by this brute  ARE ALSO MUSLIMS

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #105 - March 22, 2012, 01:23 AM

    Writing using phone. Wi fi down ( no jokes yeezevee lol). Bollocks.  

    Killing innocent Jewish kids in revenge for innocent dead Palestinian kids is evil equity. Strictly speaking, there is nothing in Islam that sanctions this. Don't take my word for it, here is wikiquote of Bernard Lewis, usually a champion of the anti-Islam brigade.


    >>>>Lewis presents some of his conclusions about Islamic culture, Shari'a Law, jihad, and the modern day phenomenon of terrorism in his text, Islam: The Religion and the People.[42] He writes of jihad as a distinct "religious obligation", but suggests that "it is a pity" that people engaging in terrorist activities are not more aware of their own religion:
    Muslim fighters are commanded not to kill women, children, or the aged unless they attack first; not to torture or otherwise ill-treat prisoners; to give fair warning of the opening of hostilities or their resumption after a truce; and to honor agreements... At no time did the classical jurists offer any approval or legitimacy to what we nowadays call terrorism. Nor indeed is there any evidence of the use of terrorism as it is practiced nowadays."<<<<

    It's possible that all this suicide bombings/ and now lone gunman( which is usually the m.o of deranged white men) is the only 'viable' military option left for those fighting against astronomical odds regarding the American industrial/military strength of the opposition. Asymmetric war, so to speak. This would have been the method with or without Islam.

    His action mirrors those undertaken by the American soldier in Afghanistan, this nutter was also a soldier if reports about him are true.
     
    I bet the anti-Islam brigade had there wet dreams come true when his identity was unmasked. Lol.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #106 - March 22, 2012, 01:40 AM

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    Killing innocent Jewish kids in revenge for innocent dead Palestinian kids is evil equity.


    Not according to the Palestinians it isn't.  Its just an evil freak using their plight to practice evil of his own. 

    Quote
    I bet the anti-Islam brigade had there wet dreams come true when his identity was unmasked. Lol.


    I bet you did too.  You are the only person, from any perspective,  who has lol'd so far in this thread.  Would you care to explain what is so funny?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #107 - March 22, 2012, 01:50 AM


    I think its got to do with being a devils advocate or something.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #108 - March 22, 2012, 02:00 AM

    ^^^

    On your first point, I was talking from the point of view that this bloke was a nutter, being a given.

    On your second point, it goes without saying that ...any...innocent death of any human being is a death too much. That said it was a fifty-fifty chance of who perpertrated the crime and it hey ho this time it fell into the hands of the Islam-bashers. After all, Muslims would have let out a sigh of relief at the unmasking of the norweigan killer.

    Perhaps I should have taken heed of the sombre tone of this thread. My apologies.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #109 - March 22, 2012, 02:05 AM

    I think its got to do with being a devils advocate or something.

    Billy, I hear what you are saying, it's just me being cynical/sarcastic.





    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #110 - March 22, 2012, 02:29 AM

    billy geezer, I know you think that I am masquerading as a Devils advocate, lol like I would be sued under the Trades Description Act for having the moniker devilsadvokat, it's annoying isn't it. Not always does the moniker have to be literal. Many moons ago on this forum I wrote that the Palestinians were their own worst enemies. Also no fun debating topics in which I agree with the majority viewpoint on this board.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #111 - March 22, 2012, 02:53 AM

    I'm sorry if my post harm others Muslim
    (I can be apologetic too)

    Just want to stressed here, that I don't condone any killing of child, adult,Jew,Palestinian, human, cute animal or religious person and reading this thread make me want to jump through my window killing myself. (doesn't work though)

    And no, I'm not a muslim, I'm glad I'm not , but my country still certified me as a muslim, that's alone give me a sense of danger if some non Muslim wants to take revenge to what have happened to those children in France.

    I truly regret if my post incite this.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #112 - March 22, 2012, 04:18 AM

    Well I am not sure hoe true it is but this  euronews.com says
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    The Victims of that school shootings.. 30-year-old Jonathan Sandler, his kids  Arieh, 5, and Gabriel, 4, and seven-year-old Miriam Monsonego


    Very beautiful children, so sad  Cry
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #113 - March 22, 2012, 06:49 AM

    would it have been better to kill ugly children... Huh?
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #114 - March 22, 2012, 08:23 AM

    but you don't get it prince, the war in afghanistan is complex and nuanced and stuffz!


    It is.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #115 - March 22, 2012, 08:28 AM

    Just want to stressed here, that I don't condone any killing of child, adult,Jew,Palestinian, human, cute animal or religious person


    What about fugly animals?

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #116 - March 22, 2012, 08:28 AM

    would it have been better to kill ugly children... Huh?


    Oops, you beat me to it.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #117 - March 22, 2012, 09:13 AM

    It is.

    you're missing the point. the fact that it's complicated doesn't justify the fact that innocent people are being slaughtered because of systematic and institutionalized racism. and if you don't think western societies have systematic discrimination then you're fucking blind and have fallen into the trap of idealizing cultures other than your own. modern western society was founded on racism and continues to be racist.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #118 - March 22, 2012, 09:19 AM

    If you think "institutionalized Western racism" is anything like what ex-Muslims go through in a Muslim society, then clearly you're either being dishonest or you're blind.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #119 - March 22, 2012, 09:21 AM

    And as someone who has been threatened with physical assault and being disowned by his family (and who is relatively lucky compared to other ex-Muslims), I find that extremely insulting.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
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