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  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #150 - October 13, 2012, 05:00 PM

    Odds are next debate Obama will come out swinging, it's definatly in his ability to. I give props to Biden.  Right wingers have been portraying him as a buffoon, and their golden star child got rolled over.

    Biden comes out way ahead in the fact check too, which I suppose is the important stuff after the style and theatrics.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #151 - October 13, 2012, 05:00 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksXRFRCUatc

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #152 - October 13, 2012, 06:38 PM


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #153 - October 15, 2012, 03:49 AM

    ....and people say Fox news and the Romney folks are racist. Pfft

    Quote

    Former Gov. Mark Sanford — now a Fox News contributor — told Fox News host Shannon Bream that President Barack Obama would have to be much more aggressive during the next debate because Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney was seen as dominating the first encounter.

    “Obama’s going to come out in this case much more forcefully, and he’s going to throw a lot of spears,” Sanford opined. “And I think it’s very, very important that in this case that, you know, Romney stay focused on his vision for the country and stay focused on the things that, I think, matter most to people in this country, which is, where is the economy going, where are we with jobs, and what’s happening next on the debt and the deficit issue?”



    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/14/mark-sanford-obama-will-throw-a-lot-of-spears-at-next-debate/

    Racism? What racism? There are no dog whistles here.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #154 - October 15, 2012, 05:11 AM

    Because mixed race African-Americans are the only people to have spear throwing in their history.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #155 - October 15, 2012, 05:15 AM

    No, but 50 year old white guys from South Carolina are unfamiliar with common prejerotive terms, like 'spear-chucker'.

    I'm pretty sure it was intentional, the way he was talking about Obama was also quite demeaning. When talking about Romney he was addressing him as 'Governor Romney' every time, when talking about Obama, he didn't say anything but 'Obama'-no title whatsoever.

    You really think this is a coincidence?

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #156 - October 15, 2012, 06:22 AM

    I'd actually never heard of "spear chucker" as a racial slur, and to me the relatively mild negative tone he displayed towards Obama is easily explained as the norm in a bitterly partisan pre-election political atmosphere. If he's intentionally trying to launch a malicious racially based assault on Obama, he's chosen an incredibly subtle way to do so.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #157 - October 15, 2012, 06:30 AM

    Actually not that subtle, there have been far more subtle dog whistles this election. This is the point of dog-whistling btw, behind close doors Romney has admitted that he needs 61% of the white vote to win (minorities rarely vote for the republicans). Another republican senator said that there just aren't enough 'angry white men' to sustain the republican party. They've been throwing out dog-whistles to compensate and to get racist voters:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-31/romney-campaign-mutes-the-racial-dog-whistles-for-tampa.html

    http://open.salon.com/blog/chauncey_devega/2012/08/09/romneys_dog_whistles_are_clear_to_white_racists_online

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWanbhoUGNE

    Less subtle (send Obama back to Kenya)-RNC meeting http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/wisconsin-gubernatorial-candidates-son-says-we-h

    Anyway, it's an awfully odd turn of phrase is it not? I would imagine he would usually say: ''fire some bullets'' or ''shoot some bullets'' or ''fire some arrows''. How many times have you heard someone in a similar context say ''throw some spears''? It would be like him saying ''Obama is eating humble fried chicken and watermelon''

    Trust me, it's a dog whistle.

    Also, if you want more proof of racism during the election, look at the issue of voter-ID laws in southern states. Allegedly they are supposed to stop voter fraud (an incident that has happened 300 times or so in recorded history). The real reason is to stop minorities voting (as they usually vote Democrat) as poor, urban, inner-city minoriities often don't have sufficient ID. The administration ruled that the laws were illegal-but again, everything is being done to get white people angry and to stop minorities voting. This election is run on two things: the economy, and racism.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #158 - October 16, 2012, 04:52 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62W6KVpmJA

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #159 - October 16, 2012, 06:58 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpMPu5p_QXU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Everything before 2:50 is gold

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #160 - October 16, 2012, 11:42 PM

    For a detailed explanation of how the Romney-Ryan tax plan is able to cut taxes by $5 trillion without exploding the deficit or requiring tax hikes on the middle class, here's the link.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #161 - October 16, 2012, 11:49 PM

    Cheesy

    I would have accepted this as well:


    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #162 - October 17, 2012, 02:55 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B5o6-qNk6Q

     grin12
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #163 - October 17, 2012, 03:15 AM

    For a detailed explanation of how the Romney-Ryan tax plan is able to cut taxes by $5 trillion without exploding the deficit or requiring tax hikes on the middle class, here's the link.

    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #164 - October 17, 2012, 06:54 AM

    Scoreboard. Nice job Obama, I'm slightly less pessimistic now.

    Also, if you want a fun romney website, check this out, it's called 'RoboRomney: Romney agrees with you'. It's like a Romney compatibility test, and everyone scores 100%

    http://www.roboromney.com/

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #165 - October 17, 2012, 07:24 AM


    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #166 - October 17, 2012, 02:05 PM

     http://www.youtube.com/politics?feature=etp-pv-ype-3bff3fd3f0


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkrwUU_YApE

    Hmm,  kids are fighting  for Candy... And  Candy is a tough lady..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #167 - October 17, 2012, 02:13 PM

    ^Moderator was wrong (but so was Romney) XD... Obama's poor performance in the first one helped him to look like he cleaned up in this one I think... it was pretty even... Obama knows the third one is the most important, suspect he'll go all guns blazing there... though I think anyone who is swayed by these 'debates' is a bit of an idiot anyway...
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #168 - October 17, 2012, 02:17 PM

    ^Moderator was wrong (but so was Romney) XD... Obama's poor performance in the first one helped him to look like he cleaned up in this one I think... it was pretty even... Obama knows the third one is the most important, suspect he'll go all guns blazing there... though I think anyone who is swayed by these 'debates' is a bit of an idiot anyway...


    Undecided voters-most undecided voters are idiots

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOh-rpvjYg

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #169 - October 17, 2012, 02:19 PM

    Don’t believe the US presidential opinion polls. Barring a political earthquake, Barack Obama will be re-elected at a canter

    FROM tabloids and broadsheets to left-leaning blogs and conservative talk shows, the US media has been united on one point in recent months: the presidential election is too tight to call. The difference between the candidates is "razor thin", The New York Post said recently. The "race remains close", agreed The Washington Post. According to The New York Times it is "widely expected to rest on a final blitz of advertising and furious campaigning".

    But it takes just a few clicks to go from that last article to one that tells a very different story - one much more in keeping with what science tells us about the election. The New York Times hosts FiveThirtyEight, a blog by statistician Nate Silver dedicated to crunching electoral numbers. It gives the Republican challenger Mitt Romney a 1-in-4 chance of victory. Over at PredictWise, another source of political forecasts, Romney's odds are only a shade better. The race isn't close or razor-thin or dependent on advertising. It is President Obama's to lose - something that readers are rarely told.

    Why the discrepancy? To answer that question, think about what polls actually are. They are often taken as an indication of who will win the election. But polls only provide a snapshot, often with a large margin of error, of who would win if the election took place today. That's very different from what we really care about, which is the candidate most likely to win the real thing in November. That's a forecast. It's what FiveThirtyEight and PredictWise provide, and it's a more complex beast than a poll.

    The PredictWise forecast, the work of Microsoft researcher David Rothschild, depends on three types of data and the impact that each is known to have.

    One is economic indicators, and the link here is simple: the better the economy is doing, the greater the incumbent's chances of winning. The US economy remains unhealthy but, crucially, it's on the mend. We know from previous elections that the direction of the economy has a bigger influence than its absolute state, so this information narrowly favours Obama.

    The next ingredient is the wisdom of the crowd. It is well known that groups can make more accurate predictions than individuals when opinions are aggregated into a collective forecast. In this case, the aggregation takes place at websites like the Iowa Electronic Markets, where investors buy and sell futures in the two candidates. The return on these contracts is based on who wins and by how much, so prices reflect the traders' collective confidence in each candidate. Obama's shares have recently been trading at two to three times the price of Romney's.

    The final input takes us back to opinion polls. With a little number crunching, polls can be transformed into forecasts. The process depends on the trends in polling numbers seen during previous elections.

    It's known, for instance, that support for the incumbent tends to pick up two to three months before election day. This is probably due to the challenger's honeymoon period coming to an end. It is easier for voters to idealise a challenger, who may not previously have had a high national profile, than it is the incumbent, who has been headline news for almost four years. As voters learn more about a challenger they inevitably discover things they do not like, prompting some to decide to stick with what they know. This may be one reason why Obama has edged ahead in the polls in recent weeks.

    There are different recipes for combining these ingredients, and not every forecaster uses them in the same way. Some, including Rothschild, increase the accuracy by considering data on individual states rather than at a national level. But almost every model is predicting an Obama victory. Most have been making this prediction for a year or so. And election forecasting is hardly a newcomer: one model run by Allan Lichtman of the American University in Washington DC has correctly called the popular vote in the past seven elections. "I don't see how Obama can lose," Lichtman told US News & World Report.

    If the models are robust, and their predictions strongly in favour of Obama, why are we being told that the race is a dead heat? I think it is partly a cultural issue. Earlier this year I wrote a story about election forecasting for a British publication. The science editor liked it, but a colleague on the politics desk vetoed the piece, in part because he simply didn't believe the forecasts. I can see why. The hurly-burly of day-to-day politics is filled with dramatic events, like the recent leaked video of Romney talking in unvarnished terms about voters he cannot hope to win over. These events make the race feel like a roller-coaster ride.

    The truth, as revealed by the science, is much more prosaic. Obama is way ahead and has been for ages. The meat and drink of daily political reporting - party conventions, gaffes, attack ads - have a limited and often passing impact. That's not to say that an unforeseen event couldn't put Romney in the White House. But it would have to be something huge, because studies of previous elections show outcomes depend far more on fundamental factors such as employment rates.

    That, however, doesn't make for an exciting story. I remember where I was when John McCain selected the deeply divisive Sarah Palin as his running mate in 2008 - an event that supposedly redefined the race. Two weeks later Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy. It was genuine drama, the stuff that sells newspapers and advertising space. But it didn't change the way people voted. The scientific predictions gave McCain minimal chance all the way through the 2008 race, and he duly lost. The forecasts are similar for Romney. The race is not tight, and the only honest approach is to say so.

    Source: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528840.200-the-us-presidential-election-is-no-contest.html?full=true
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #170 - October 17, 2012, 02:25 PM

    Bookies have it right. At his highest point, Obama was getting 80% (post convention) while the polls had him at a +4% lead. At his lowest point (post first debate) Obama was getting 61% on intrade, betfair, Will Hill etc. At the moment he's about 66% favourite to win compared to the split polls. Bookies aren't perfect at calculating odds in this regard, but they are much safer than polls

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #171 - October 17, 2012, 08:06 PM

    Thanks for that. IMO it's good news (or at least, better than the alternative).

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #172 - October 17, 2012, 10:35 PM

    Plutocratic employers and ceos telling employees to vote for Romney 'or else'

    Quote

    It’s quickly becoming the story of the election season. Every day there’s a new report of bosses putting pressure on employees to vote for Mitt Romney or very bad things will happen. The threats range from job loss to wage cuts, and the Gilded Age-style strong-arming shows no signs of slowing.

    Most recently, we’ve learned that Arthur Allen, CEO of ASG Software Solutions, sent an email to workers with the following subject line: “Will the US Presidential election directly impact your future jobs at ASG? Please read below.”

    David Siegel, the billionaire founder of Westgate Resorts, has been playing the worker intimidation game. So have the Koch brothers, sending anti-Obama voter materials to 45,000 employees of their Georgia Pacific subsidiary (thanks to AlterNet’s Adele Stan for bringing us that story). In Michigan, the president of Lacks Enterprises warned his company’s 2,300 employees that their paychecks will shrink if Obama is re-elected.

    On a June conference call to the National Federation of Independent Businesses, Mitt Romney himself enthusiastically pushed the tactic:

    “I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections.”

    At a time of rampant job insecurity, workers across the country are fearful of doing anything to jeopardize their paychecks. And in a tight race, every vote counts.

    Which is what the plutocrats are worried about.

    Unfortunately, the history of worker intimidation during election season has a long and sordid history in the United States. Thomas Ferguson, professor of political science at the University of Massachusetts, Boston, notes that such activity has repeatedly bubbled up during periods of turmoil:  “In the 19th century, voting was often public, so manufacturers would sometimes march their workers to the polls to vote as a bloc,” said Ferguson.  “In company towns, employers used all kinds of tactics to intimidate workers. During political crises, such as the 1890s or the New Deal, heavy-handed efforts by employers to influence worker votes were rampant.  In 1896, for example, factory owners posted signs saying that their businesses would close if Republican William McKinley lost to William Jennings Bryan. Similar efforts also marked the New Deal elections of 1936 and 1940.”

    In a nation where children are taught that every citizen has the right to vote, it would be nice to think that voter intimidation was relegated to the history books by the Voting Rights Act of 1965. But that legislation only outlawed the targeting of voters by race or color.

    Bosses have little to fear from knowingly misinforming or threatening workers during election season. Calculated and determined efforts at worker intimidation are as brazen as ever this year. Professor Ferguson notes that the waning power of unions, along with non-enforcement of laws, has emboldened employers. CEOs are feeling quite comfortable putting their intimidation efforts into writing and making them public. There is no federal election law that specifically blocks bosses from telling workers they could lose their jobs if they vote for a particular person.

    Defenders of the practice like to say that bosses are just expressing their opinions, much in the way a union might express political opinions to the owner of a firm. Except for this small difference: a union can’t fire an employee.

    The recent voter intimidation frenzy points to the plutocrats’ pesky problem of basic math: They are outnumbered. Citizens United, which unleashed unlimited corporate spending, certainly tilted things in their favor, but even that has not been enough to ensure that the presidency is in their pocket. The 2008 financial crash and ensuing recession have exposed enough of their dangerous and criminal activity to make voters question the idea of putting a financier in the White House. Ironically, a Romney win would likely lead to austerity policies that would weaken the economy and make the products and services of most businesses harder to sell. But plutocrats can see no further than the number represented by their marginal tax rates, and so they must have Romney in Washington. Democracy is merely an annoying obstacle.



    http://www.salon.com/2012/10/17/plutocrat_bosses_to_employees_vote_romney_or_else/

    Democracy? What Democracy?

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #173 - October 20, 2012, 01:38 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTCRwi71_ns

    Mitt Romney style.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #174 - October 20, 2012, 01:44 AM

     Cheesy Cheesy

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #175 - October 20, 2012, 01:46 AM

    I especially love the Paul Ryan rap  Cheesy

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #176 - October 20, 2012, 03:36 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_1B0w7Hzc

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #177 - October 20, 2012, 05:38 AM

    God, I wish the presidential elections didn't have this nasty habit of morphing into one large game of "who can one-up my meme" by the people of this country. What a waste of artistic talents and bright ideas, only spent to deliver a punchline to entertain themselves and the other willfully ignorant and passive, since it really isn't a laughing matter. It'd be lovely if the population of citizens who are sick and tired of being stepped on and over banded together and questioned the absurdity of having to vote between identical candidates who spend almost a billion dollars in campaign expenditures only to squawk over each other without actually saying anything of real importance. I hope that one day people won't be glued to their television sets and computer monitors dissecting every canned phrase these jokers spout off at each other and instead angrily demanding that their president and presidential candidates be honest about their intentions in this position and enforce their termination should s/he not be able to hold fast to those intentions.

    Major election years always make me wish that a third party vote actually counted for something. I'm so sick of watching this shitshow on every media outlet, it's not even funny.

    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #178 - October 20, 2012, 06:29 AM


    Love it. Cheesy

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: USA politics Low Content Thread
     Reply #179 - October 20, 2012, 07:13 AM

    If you ask me, I think Representative Democracy is a failure right from the beginning. Proof: US

    I dont know why the last Nigerian military regime implemented it even though it has failed woefully during the early 80s which lead to military coup. It's like as if it went on like this "Okay (militarry)folks,since we have already amassed wealth that will last our lifetime and our generation,let's hand over the power to civilian elites (that have been bugging us all over the years with their borrowed political rhetorics from the Americans on how Democracy is the best form of Government for Nigeria) so that they can have their own share of cake while masses continue to suffer in poverty.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
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