Tribal loyalty

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Tribal loyalty
OP - April 21, 2012, 10:22 AM

When i debate muslims, there will usually be one or two that make a completely ludicrous claim such as 'Neil Armstrong converted to Islam', and when I deny this, they all stick up for each other, even though I know for a fact that some of them actually know that its not true.
They start calling me a liar, and a blind ignorant fool etc.

Is there something in the quran which tells them to not correct other Muslims?
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Reply #1 - April 21, 2012, 10:35 AM

No. They're just ignorant and probably just being defensive - confirmation bias.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUc_kATGgg
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Reply #2 - May 14, 2012, 06:43 AM

maybe this
3:102 And hold fast, all together by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves

3:104 Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear signs; for them is a dreadful penalty.
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Reply #3 - May 14, 2012, 07:02 AM

My enemies enemy is my ally. They would stick up for them even if they don't believe in what the other is really saying just because they don't like you

It's a more generic thing than just islam telling to to be this way

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Reply #4 - May 14, 2012, 07:19 AM

you mean human nature i guess
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Reply #5 - May 14, 2012, 07:25 AM

Well there is this hadith:

http://seekersguidance.org/blog/2010/02/making-70-excuses-for-others-in-islam-a-key-duty-of-brotherhood/

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Reply #6 - May 14, 2012, 07:27 AM

Quote from: Stardust on May 14, 2012, 07:02 AM
My enemies enemy is my ally. They would stick up for them even if they don't believe in what the other is really saying just because they don't like you

It's a more generic thing than just islam telling to to be this way

I disagree on that, dustie.

It might be generic sometimes, but its almost coded and a part of the reactionary "brotherhood" which exists in Islam that a Muslim would stand up for another Muslim. This especially happens when a Non-Muslim is involved (or a Muslim from another sect).

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Reply #7 - May 14, 2012, 07:37 AM

Quote from: Al-Ma`arri on May 14, 2012, 07:27 AM
I disagree on that, dustie.

It might be generic sometimes, but its almost coded and a part of the reactionary "brotherhood" which exists in Islam that a Muslim would stand up for another Muslim. This especially happens when a Non-Muslim is involved (or a Muslim from another sect).

Sure, I realise that, even I've been told to see fellow muslims as brother/sisters, but similarly you have nationalism and even racism, it's more like the title suggests a tendency for tribal mentality and I think it comes from the 'safety in numbers' and finding some common ground. So in that sense sure islam asks for it but fundamentally it's a general trait seen in all places and levels. Not that it can't be changed, changes make us progress of course, least they should do

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