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 Topic: Leaving CEMB

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  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #120 - June 18, 2012, 03:30 PM
    Prayed and stuff. Smiley The usual.

    And ummm...since I've left Islam (very badly, if I may add), then I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be classified as a 'good' Muslim. Perhaps a deeply troubled one. Tongue
    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #121 - June 18, 2012, 06:18 PM
     parrot

    Have I missed you writing about this?

    What happened?  Did you eat bacon?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #122 - June 18, 2012, 06:31 PM
    Haha, thanks for the parrot.

    Ew, bacon!! vomit No. I'm never gonna touch bacon, ughhh. Though I'm less careful about whey products now. But pure bacon? EWWWWWWWW

    And I wrote it on, like, the 8th reply on the first page of this thread. Grin What happened was that I decided against Islam as opposed to for it. Smiley But as Idris Shah famously said, "Enlightenment must come little by little, otherwise it would overwhelm." yes

    Tongue
    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #123 - June 18, 2012, 06:35 PM
    Bacon is delish.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #124 - June 18, 2012, 06:36 PM
    I bet cheetahs are delish too. Poaching ought to be legal!

    Tongue
    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #125 - June 18, 2012, 06:36 PM
    Babies too. yes
    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #126 - June 18, 2012, 06:37 PM
    Hey Cheetah, were you a Muslim once?

    I want to know ALL the mods' stories! dance I know Billy's, Berbs', and Allat's somewhat and Maya's a bit too..
    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #127 - June 18, 2012, 06:37 PM
    Cheetahs are too wiry and tough to be delish.  Not much meat on them anyway.  A nice fat pig on the other hand.....  piggy
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #128 - June 18, 2012, 06:37 PM
    Quote from: chepea on June 18, 2012, 06:37 PM
    Hey Cheetah, were you a Muslim once?

    I want to know ALL the mods' stories! dance I know Billy's, Berbs', and Allat's somewhat and Maya's a bit too..


    No, I was a Catholic.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #129 - June 18, 2012, 06:39 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on June 18, 2012, 06:37 PM
    Cheetahs are too wiry and tough to be delish.  Not much meat on them anyway.  A nice fat pig on the other hand.....  piggy

    They eat mud. vomit Ugh. And they're so ew overall, they snort and are pink. Ughh

    Srsly though, pigs make me feel sickkkk.

    And OH yeah! I remember now! Catholic yes You mentioned it. Cool! grin12

    I know ex-Catholics, they're Muslim now Grin But I know Catholics who are atheists too, but those are my friends who probably just became atheist cuz it's the default nowadays..
    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #130 - June 18, 2012, 06:43 PM
    Atheism's always been the default.  And pigs are lovely, everything from them tastes nice.  Especially pork chops with apple sauce. Yum Yum
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #131 - June 18, 2012, 06:54 PM
    That rhymes! Grin

    I don't think atheism is the default aloofandbored0 Na na na!
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    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #132 - June 18, 2012, 06:57 PM
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    my friends who probably just became atheist cuz it's the default nowadays..



    Quote
    I don't think atheism is the default


    Make your mind up Miss Piggy.   parrot
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #133 - June 18, 2012, 07:00 PM
    No no, I meant I think people naturally believe in something supernatural, but that's overcome by one's society's influence.

    So in my society loads of people are atheist. Especially teens. So that overcomes a person's natural inclination towards the supernatural (or superstition, whatever Tongue).
    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #134 - June 18, 2012, 07:02 PM
    I think it varies from person to person.  My default is definitely atheism and lack of belief in the supernatural, yours seems to be the opposite. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #135 - June 18, 2012, 07:03 PM
    You're older. Obviously I'm more connected to my baby thoughts yes

    Tongue
    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #136 - June 18, 2012, 07:05 PM
    No, I can still remember my childhood thoughts very clearly.  Belief was something that I went along with because it was the way I was educated, but alot of it never rang true, eg Hell.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #137 - June 18, 2012, 07:08 PM
    Oh well yeah I guess some of them can be concocted. But I mean, the tendency to believe in something transcendent. yes

    And you weren't educated as a newborn babe! Tongue I remember not caring about God as a kid (4-7 yrs). But not disbelieving, just not caring. I had better things to focus on (food, TV, the usual). XD
    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #138 - June 18, 2012, 07:11 PM
    I wasn't a believer as a new born babe either.   Cheesy  I think you're projecting.  Belief in something transcendent is obviously your default state, but that doesn't mean its everybody else's too.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #139 - June 18, 2012, 07:13 PM
    I'm not projecting (consciously Tongue)!

    I read an article about it where it appears that belief is the natural state, but apparently "research is still underway". Tongue
    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #140 - June 18, 2012, 07:15 PM
    People who are projecting never are conscious of it, if they were they wouldn't do it.  One size doesn't fit all here, I'm afraid, no matter how true it feels to you.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #141 - June 18, 2012, 07:16 PM
    WTF? How is belief a natural state?
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #142 - June 18, 2012, 07:17 PM
    Quote
    Now can someone tell me how they derive objective morals without a religion?


    John Rawls Veil of Ignorance

    Quote
    The original position is a central feature of John Rawls's social contract account of justice, “justice as fairness,” set forth in A Theory of Justice (TJ). It is designed to be a fair and impartial point of view that is to be adopted in our reasoning about fundamental principles of justice. In taking up this point of view, we are to imagine ourselves in the position of free and equal persons who jointly agree upon and commit themselves to principles of social and political justice. The main distinguishing feature of the original position is “the veil of ignorance”: to insure impartiality of judgment, the parties are deprived of all knowledge of their personal characteristics and social and historical circumstances. They do know of certain fundamental interests they all have, plus general facts about psychology, economics, biology, and other social and natural sciences. The parties in the original position are presented with a list of the main conceptions of justice drawn from the tradition of social and political philosophy, and are assigned the task of choosing from among these alternatives the conception of justice that best advances their interests in establishing conditions that enable them to effectively pursue their final ends and fundamental interests. Rawls contends that the most rational choice for the parties in the original position are the two principles of justice. The first principle guarantees the equal basic rights and liberties needed to secure the fundamental interests of free and equal citizens and to pursue a wide range of conceptions of the good. The second principle provides fair equality of educational and employment opportunities enabling all to fairly compete for powers and prerogatives of office; and it secures for all a guaranteed minimum of the all-purpose means (including income and wealth) that individuals need to pursue their interests and to maintain their self-respect as free and equal persons.

    ...


    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/original-position/
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #143 - June 18, 2012, 07:17 PM
    Quote from: chepea on June 18, 2012, 07:13 PM
    I read an article about it where it appears that belief is the natural state, but apparently "research is still underway". Tongue

    Reading something on iloveislam.org and omgislamsissoawesomewhydontyoubelieveit.com doesn't count.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #144 - June 18, 2012, 07:17 PM
    I guess it's possible that belief isn't natural, but I still think it is. Tongue

    But I get your point. I could be wrong. yes
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    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #145 - June 18, 2012, 07:28 PM
    From a human standpoint, it may or may not be the default, but from a logical standpoint it is. Mind you, that doesn't necessarily mean it's right.
    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #146 - June 18, 2012, 07:30 PM
    ^ Remind me why you're an atheist again? Huh?
    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #147 - June 18, 2012, 07:58 PM

    Whatever a person might do "naturally" might not be the end all of what a person should do.

    There are a lot of things that influence a person from birth to the time they may actually are able to make their own choice about belief in a God, god, gods or no god, super natural being or what not. Humans have a great mental ablility and should use to examine the facts before making or deciding on any serious matters. Useful information can come from what might seem like the most unlikely source.
    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #148 - June 18, 2012, 08:18 PM
    Yeah true Lynna, but I still think that people have a yearning for beauty and transcendence that sheer rationality will never satisfy. I think it's expressed through music, art, religion, amazement at the universe, etc.

    So yeah. Tongue
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    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Leaving CEMB
     Reply #149 - June 18, 2012, 09:14 PM
    Quote from: chepea on June 18, 2012, 08:18 PM
    Yeah true Lynna, but I still think that people have a yearning for beauty and transcendence that sheer rationality will never satisfy. I think it's expressed through music, art, religion, amazement at the universe, etc.

    So yeah. Tongue


    I had to look up the word transcendence. I'm still not sure exactly what it means.

    I'll have to send a little more time on that idea.

    Yes people have a yearning for beauty that can be found in music and art.

    Some people do find that same kind of beauty in the rituals and buildings of their religion, that of course is their choice.

    I would choose what might be seen as a little bit more of a rational relationship with God.
    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
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