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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #120 - February 16, 2014, 09:25 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 16, 2014, 06:44 PM
    Let me correct that for you Ezrajt...

    Some feminists have made feminism some sort of weird laughing stock here in the West.


    And by feminism I mean the particular interpretation of feminism that some feminists hold to be true or wish to enforce in society.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #121 - February 16, 2014, 09:27 PM
    Yeah, so much context being overlooked.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #122 - February 16, 2014, 11:44 PM
    In other news, I have been seeing a trend amongst feminists where they reject the word for one of two reasons: not wanting to be associated with the majority of modern feminists or they say that the word originates from the patriarchy. So...they want a new word.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #123 - February 16, 2014, 11:46 PM
    Roseanne Barr being from the latter group, interestingly enough.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #124 - February 16, 2014, 11:47 PM
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    In other news,


    Thank fucking God.

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    the majority of modern feminists or they say that the word originates from the patriarchy


    I've heard that too.

    Do they want to get rid of the word emancipation beacuse it has a man in it?
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #125 - February 16, 2014, 11:53 PM
    Heh. All joking aside, I find that a bit interesting. I might have to look up the origins of the word myself to actually make a decision on that point.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #126 - February 16, 2014, 11:57 PM
    Is this more your thing?

    http://www.noslangues-ourlanguages.gc.ca/bien-well/fra-eng/style/nonsexistguidelines-eng.html
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #127 - February 17, 2014, 12:00 AM
    All depends on whose mouth the words are coming from. If they're a misogynist prick, then definitely. If they're from a woman hating female, then definitely.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #128 - February 17, 2014, 12:00 AM
    And also depends on the context. If it's a professional piece of writing then yea. Definitely.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #129 - February 17, 2014, 12:04 AM
    I think knowing the roots of words is important especially in debates when people don't have a valid counter argument and end up debating semantics.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #130 - February 17, 2014, 08:42 PM
    Moved the irrelevant bickering to its own thread here: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=25802.msg734191
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #131 - February 17, 2014, 08:50 PM
    Very selective on what constitutes 'bickering'. I would argue that it started once certain moderators decided to crop statements and argue that a certain poster said something that they didn't.

    But I guess that's the power of being a moderator I suppose and the one who was invovled in the bickering. And if it's irrelevant bickering why announce it on the thread?
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #132 - February 17, 2014, 08:52 PM
    Please continue this tangent in the other thread linked in the post above.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #133 - February 17, 2014, 08:55 PM
    You can maintain the pretence of being impartial but you're clearly not. Logically, if it is irrelevant to the topic then why have a link to it here? You create the tangent by posting the link.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #134 - February 17, 2014, 09:06 PM
    I posted the link in the interest of transparency and in case anyone wondered where a load of posts had vanished to. If you wish to guess at other motivations, or add anything else concerning this, please do so in the other thread.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #135 - February 17, 2014, 09:45 PM
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    You make my point though.  This idea that feminism has no place anymore even though it blatantly does.  You swallow it, as do many other people.


    Not really.  Feminism by and large is for obtaining legal equality between the sexes, which we've achieved.  Now some feminist want to try to make every single statistic imaginable equal, which is impossible, but virtual legal equality has been achieved.  Everything else feminists bitch about either seems to just be complaining about capitalism, which is fine, but feminism is not going to achieve any results in that front, or wealthy feminist who want more women to join the rat race, which is bad...

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    My mistake. For the sake of brevity, I assumed 'feminists have made feminism a laughing stock' could be shortened to 'feminism is a laughing stock' without anything essential being lost in translation. But it's now clear to me that some of the nuanced wisdom and sophisticated insight was lost when I did that.


    Well it is largely a laughing stock.  Conduct a little experiment, go outside and ask any random people about various popular feminist claims and they'll either laugh or look at you for a good long while.

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    I almost envy the privileged, comfortable, blissfully ignorant perspective that fosters such sentiments as 'feminism is irrelevant'.


    If you're living even a semi-comfortable life that allows you to regularly post on an internet message board, you're already privileged.  Let's dispense with the "privilege name calling" since everyone in the Western world, minus homeless people, are privileged compared to the vast majority of the planet.

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    I find that very sad.


    Me too.  The truth is not always pleasant, to me anyway.

    To be fair, I'm okay with some strains of feminism and I even agree with some of the goals of the internet style tumblr feminist, like eliminating stereotypes and expectations.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #136 - February 17, 2014, 09:49 PM
    What is a 'tumblr feminist'?
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #137 - February 17, 2014, 10:04 PM
    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 09:45 PM
    Well it is largely a laughing stock.

    Dunno. In my experience it seems to be a sentiment restricted to some adolescent corners of the internet, MRA circle jerks, and 'old boys' clubs.

    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 09:45 PM
    Conduct a little experiment, go outside and ask any random people about various popular feminist claims and they'll either laugh or look at you for a good long while.

    What kind of claims do you have in mind? Because it seems I'd have to go really low down on the list of feminist claims to find something an average person would object to. I'd have to pick claims from radical fringe feminist groups and philosophy, not at all representative of feminism broadly.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #138 - February 17, 2014, 10:13 PM
    Quote from: EzraJT on February 17, 2014, 09:45 PM
    Not really.  Feminism by and large is for obtaining legal equality between the sexes,


    By whose definition?  yours?  or the actual definition of feminism?  which is about equality between the sexes, not just equality by law.

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    which we've achieved. 


    Having equality in law has not translated into guaranteed equality in practice.

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    Now some feminist want to try to make every single statistic imaginable equal, which is impossible, but virtual legal equality has been achieved. 


     Roll Eyes



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    Well it is largely a laughing stock.  Conduct a little experiment, go outside and ask any random people about various popular feminist claims and they'll either laugh or look at you for a good long while.


    Same could be said for any cause that is viewed with hostility in a majority.  Because something 'is' a laughing stock to the masses, doesn't mean it's aim is a laughing stock.

    But you keep on going, with your impossibles, and laughing stock, a bitching feminists.  No doubt there were a mass of people who found women's right to vote a laughing stock, impossible, just a bunch of feminists bitching.  The usual stuff.

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    If you're living even a semi-comfortable life that allows you to regularly post on an internet message board, you're already privileged.  Let's dispense with the "privilege name calling" since everyone in the Western world, minus homeless people, are privileged compared to the vast majority of the planet.


    Talk about misinterpret the use of the word privilege in this context.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #139 - February 17, 2014, 10:27 PM
    Hmmmm....it seems that people are tripping over the word 'feminism'...what is feminism and as has already been pointed out the AIMS of feminism?

    In sociology there are three waves of feminism that have been identified. The first wave was about women achieving the legal rights. 2) Women becoming accepted in the public sphere. 3) Women becoming integrated in all aspects of life and seen as equals.

    But in the 1980's/1990's BLACK/BROWN feminists began to criticise feminism as being a white; middle class construct and that the struggle has failed to take into account their particular set of experiences. With that in mind, what to make of the Muslim Feminists or women who (beyond enjoying the legal rights) want nothing more to do with feminism and perceive no problems with certain patriarchal cultural practices? Certain tribal cultures and other such societies do object to this imposition of western structural dominance (a point some postmodern feminist make).There are case studies done on this and a perusal through the AQA Sociology A-Level book will acquaint you with these arguments as will a more detailed analysis of Haralambos et al. critique of feminism in 'Sociology in Focus'. It is not that 'feminism is a laughing stock' but that women and certain elements within the umberella of feminism consider other forms of feminism to be ridiculous/condescending/irrelevant to them.

    So when it comes to feminism we must ask:

    1) Whose experiences are we addressing (or assuming)?
    2) Whose feminism are we talking about?
    3) Who are we leaving out in this discussion?
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #140 - February 17, 2014, 10:33 PM
    Third wave feminism is mildly interesting to me.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #141 - February 17, 2014, 10:37 PM
    Yes...it seems like that is what you have an 'issue' with?

    What do you think these feminists - oh and I should've bought this up when a moderator claimed that I thought women were hairy, lesbian women - that there are men out there who identify themselves as feminist. Hell, in the legal and public sphere sense I too regard myself as a feminist (GASP!)  mysmilie_977 - BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY MEAN BY 'EQUALITY'Huh?
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #142 - February 17, 2014, 10:41 PM
    Is this addressed to me?
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #143 - February 17, 2014, 10:44 PM
    Sorry...

    @EzraJT

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    Yes...it seems like that is what you have an 'issue' with?

    What do you think these feminists - oh and I should've bought this up when a moderator claimed that I thought women were hairy, lesbian women - that there are men out there who identify themselves as feminist. Hell, in the legal and public sphere sense I too regard myself as a feminist (GASP!)  mysmilie_977 - BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY MEAN BY 'EQUALITY'Huh?


    So what do you think these feminists or SOME of these feminists want outside of legal/political rights?
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #144 - February 17, 2014, 10:50 PM
    Well if you want to address me in the future, just say so.

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    So what do you think these feminists or SOME of these feminists want outside of legal/political rights?


    Don't they state it themselves, they want total equality of outcomes between the genders?
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #145 - February 17, 2014, 10:59 PM
    I thought you'd be able to see who the comment was addressed to by reading the content. Usually when a post follows your post you can assume that the comment is referring to you and even if it doesn't there's no harm in replying back to it if you want to. That's how it works here. Notice how in most of the posts people seldom put down a name. Etiquette and all.

    But who are THEY? Which feminists do you have in mind?

    Yous aid you find third wave feminists interesting - why is this?
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #146 - February 17, 2014, 11:05 PM
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    I thought you'd be able to see who the comment was addressed to by reading the content. Usually when a post follows your post you can assume that the comment is referring to you and even if it doesn't there's no harm in replying back to it if you want to. That's how it works here. Notice how in most of the posts people seldom put down a name. Etiquette and all.


    Yoda, you realize that other people are arguing about feminism here and that you have a tendency to strawman me so it's very difficult at times to discern if you're talking to me or not.  To avoid such confusion, and as a common curtsey, just address me in the future, alright?

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    But who are THEY? Which feminists do you have in mind?


    Oh I don't know, the feminist that is (or at least was) the topic of this thread?  Also the entire modern day American feminist movement?

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    Yous aid you find third wave feminists interesting - why is this?


    They're not as crazy as some of the others.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #147 - February 17, 2014, 11:09 PM
    A tendency to straw man you? I've never spoken to you much before today.

    Calm down.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #148 - February 17, 2014, 11:21 PM
    Well it is somewhat amazing you've managed to strawman me multiple times in the course of a few hours.  Anyway, if you have any actual questions to me on the topic of the thread, continue to ask them.  Don't try to make every correspondence with me into some drama fit.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #149 - February 17, 2014, 11:28 PM
    'A drama fit?' Provide examples please. You seem to be acting. I've asked you many questions. Answer them. Clarify your points.

    What is the American feminist movement?

    Here is one:

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    So what do you think these feminists or SOME of these feminists want outside of legal/political rights?


    If you can't answer then say so. There's no shame in this.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
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