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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #60 - February 13, 2014, 10:37 PM
    Though I do get Jedi's point about men going through it as well, the simple truth of the matter is it's no where near the same extent. Teenage boys can go through this with older more predatory women and even at my age I have what many would call sexual harassment, but the simple fact is it's few and far between. Where men go through this on a regular basis is almost exclusively in the gay community where predatory men will victimise weaker/more vulnerable men and make the think it's normal. It's not something most heterosexual men go through on a daily/almost daily basis.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #61 - February 14, 2014, 01:57 AM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 12, 2014, 10:07 PM
    Huh?

    No...like I said without making all men look like perverts and women look like victims.

    Anyway...goodnight.


    But it did not make those generalizations. There were women in the video who did not molest nor take note of the man's physical attributes. Didn't you see them? One jogger passed him by. One woman talked to him about some neighborhood meeting, the policewoman did not proposition him. There were women who did not harass, even while interacting with him. Just like there are men who leave us women alone.



    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #62 - February 14, 2014, 06:37 PM
    I don't really understand why people have a problem with the fact that I don't like the video.

    @ Quod: I've said often times that women face greater sexual harrasment than men. I stated that as an objective FACT.

    @ Jibbs No my school is not segregated. I'm not as integrated into the lives of the students to know what they do or do not do. BUt as far as Child Protection is concerned I know that girls engage in this tyoe of activity themselves. Not as much as boys do but they do nevertheless.

    @ Three my main objection to the video was how blatant it was...I said in my OP in reply tot he video that I prefer something more subtle. Same message but subtle will ahve more off an impact.

    @ Ishina. Yeah...because it appears at though that you tried to misrepresent my point. That's not something that ex-muslims but sane people in general.

    I hated the video, not because of the message, but because of the way it conveyed its message. I also stated that this was my subjective opinion too. I hate that anyone is sexually ahrrassed, but I think sensationalising the issue in which the video did is demeaning the issue somewhat. You don't agree then good for you. Let's debate the merits of the video but don't portray me as someone who wants to gloss over rape; sexual harrasment and not understand the plight of women because I do and don't need to justify that to people on the other side of the computer. I did not like the video. I found it demeaning to men as I stated previously:


    Quote
    Point taken. I agree the point needs to be made. We get it. Some men treat women like shit/objects. Just don't be so obvious in the video. The point can be made much better. But given the time constraints I understand why it wasn't.

    I just hate when such videos paint men as sexual predators. Women can be like that too.

    Rape is a depressing fact of life, but the video was less about that and more about wider sexual harassment/oppression.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #63 - February 15, 2014, 01:31 AM
    I actually don't see it as sensational. The genders switch threw me off at first. But if I flip the genders back around in my head, all of it looks very realistic to me, especially if you spend time in bad neighborhoods. Except for calling the police, that is not as realistic, and is what the more affluent would do, in my experience.
    Perhaps, if you find it sensational, you have been raised in a more civilized manner, and continue to live that way, among more civilized people. Which is a good thing. I grew up in a civilized community, but I did not always live in one similar.
    Every time I think about this movie, I remember dodging pimps as a child, in the city. It must resonate, somehow, with those memories.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #64 - February 15, 2014, 01:39 AM
    There's a John Travolta film that does the same thing only with race. It's called White Man's Burden. I think for a lot of people having things flipped makes an impact more than anything else does.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #65 - February 15, 2014, 03:00 AM
    White Man's Burden was one of those rare movies that I watched, and then watched again immediately.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #66 - February 15, 2014, 04:58 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR9UMgOFeLw

    I hate the fact that 'Vice City' is such a hit. You can decapitate an innocent man, who is just a bystander, for fun and the police only bothers about what you steal from the bank. What message is it sending to the young generation? They are so prone to learning from these things. But who cares? Most consumers of action based games are boys, so cater to them. For the girls just stick to fashion games.

    Why shouldn't women be skimpily dressed in games when even in a conservative country like mine, women are noticed ONLY when they expose their skin. Even the liberal-minded women stare at you in awe if you wear mini-skirt, as if you are someone special. It becomes a competition for some women how much cleavage one can expose here. Scantily-clad, bouncy-breasted, tortured-with-corsets-waisted and bums-on-your-face women, who are ready to pounce on you are all the rage. It's no longer about women who likes to dress normally, look ugly or limit their physical relationships to their lovers. But those stupid commenters for the article that was posted by the OP doesn't realise that. THEY DO EXIST! Again, shameful videos like 'Who Run the World' by Beyonce are also responsible. They give the false notion that girls run the world by being provocative and the men by guns. I am not saying that all women depicted should be chaste ones. We must take into account that there women of various kinds in this world. Many heroines of real lives are not heart stealers like Croft.

  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #67 - February 15, 2014, 05:14 AM
    Most people understand the difference between fantasy and reality.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #68 - February 15, 2014, 05:21 AM
    I don't agree with that. People who don't let media influence their thoughts are rare. Those commenters who has threatened sexual assault, do you think they did so because they are somehow influenced by those video games? Why do you think grown up women suffer from eating disorders if they see shows like 'Victoria's Secret Fashion Show'? Don't they realise that it's the supermodels' job to look like that, which is far from being healthy. But their judgement is clouded by the media. On YouTube many women comment that they should stop eating after the aforementioned show, where the women are presented in fantastical manner.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #69 - February 15, 2014, 07:00 AM
    Three my neighbourhood is not civilised at all. I live in one of the most economically deprived areas in the country. At one time it was deemed by a show as 'one of the worst places to live'.

    The gender switch didn't throw me of. I was expecting something far more thought provoking rather than something cliche ridden. The hijab scene was truly cringe worthy. As I said I didn't like the video though totally respect aspects of the message.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #70 - February 15, 2014, 07:06 AM
    Irrespective of the audience objectification of men is still objectification of men.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #71 - February 15, 2014, 07:13 AM
    I don't think anyone has said there is no objectification of men. Something to keep in mind is biological differences. The average man is stronger than the average woman. It's not that women can't do damage, they can, but usually where women are objectifying men there isn't the fear factor that "This person is stronger than me and if they wanted they could hurt me" that is a factor when the situation is reversed. You could feel uncomfortable, embarrassed, put on the spot and so on, but usually there's no fear of physical danger.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #72 - February 15, 2014, 07:16 AM
    Quote from: Rubaya on February 15, 2014, 04:58 AM
    I hate the fact that 'Vice City' is such a hit. You can decapitate an innocent man, who is just a bystander, for fun and the police only bothers about what you steal from the bank. What message is it sending to the young generation?

    18
    Suitable only for persons 18 years and over.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #73 - February 15, 2014, 07:20 AM
    I didn't say that anyone said there is no objectification of men either. I agree with you in general that men are stronger. But some women can be physically strong too and dominant in other areas; manipulative and liars. Just like men.

    Objectification can be demeaning irrespective of its intent or who is doing the objectifying.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #74 - February 15, 2014, 07:38 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 15, 2014, 07:13 AM
    It's not that women can't do damage, they can

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #75 - February 15, 2014, 10:01 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 15, 2014, 07:16 AM
    18
    Suitable only for persons 18 years and over.


    Does anyone bother about age restrictions nowadays? In real world a man can't get away with killing an innocent bystander. So, people are fulfilling their dreams or feel like doing so in the game. But that's just my opinion.

    @Jedi, I was looking for a video that talked about the objectification of men in video games, but had to post this because I couldn't find the one I was looking for . Want to be hot like the characters in the games? Go to the gym and take protein shakes, etc. Want to be sexy like the women in the games? Go to the gym, follow diet regimens and do breast and buttock surgeries like lifts or augmentation. One of the salient points in the video was that we see ugly and old men as influential characters, but mostly pretty females as such.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #76 - February 15, 2014, 10:03 AM
    Quod I know you agree. Just reinforcing the point. I think some people underestimate the damage some women can do and the expectations some women have regarding men:

    To be emotionally strong.
    To be physically strong.
    Tall, dark and handsome.
    To provide a house.
    To provide resources.
    A steady income.
    Not be wussy or a sissy.
    To 'man up'
    FACT: men are less reluctant to go to admit depression because of stigma.

    In general women have it worse but in specific cases men can/have had it worse. The government has done fuck all to address domestic abuse and emotional manipulation aimed at men. To say the reason they haven't is because there's no issue is like saying rape is not an issue in Saudi because not that many cases are reported. We must break these social/structural boundaries and have an inclusive discussion of male/female violence and abuse rather than have it as one side the pitiful victim and the other the predator.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #77 - February 15, 2014, 10:07 AM
    Quote from: Rubaya on February 15, 2014, 10:01 AM
    Does anyone bother about age restrictions nowadays? In real world a man can't get away with killing an innocent bystander. So, people are fulfilling their dreams or feel like doing so in the game. But that's just my opinion.

    @Jedi, I was looking for a video that talked about the objectification of men in video games, but had to post this because I couldn't find the one I was looking for . Want to be hot like the characters in the games? Go to the gym and take protein shakes, etc. Want to be sexy like the women in the games? Go to the gym, follow diet regimens and do breast and buttock surgeries like lifts or augmentation. One of the salient points in the video was that we see ugly and old men as influential characters, but mostly pretty females as such.


    I know this is just your observation. You focus on age and not social expectation. Why should old men be wise and influential? That puts pressure on us old farts. Why can't we be just men?

    I do not know how having pretty females is objectifying women.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #78 - February 15, 2014, 11:51 AM
    Quote from: Rubaya on February 15, 2014, 10:01 AM
    Does anyone bother about age restrictions nowadays? In real world a man can't get away with killing an innocent bystander. So, people are fulfilling their dreams or feel like doing so in the game. But that's just my opinion.

    This just comes across as an astonishingly simple-minded grasp of what's going on when people play video games. Little more than paranoia and superstition.

    Are you seriously suggesting that when I play Grand Theft Auto, I'm acting out fantasies or quenching some murderous appetite?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #79 - February 15, 2014, 02:44 PM
    Not everyone does that. But some do. And I strongly agree with the fact that such games can negatively affect a kid's and sometimes adult's mentality. And I have said that's just my opinion. You are all welcome to debunk it with logic.

    Quote from: Jedi on February 15, 2014, 10:07 AM
    I know this is just your observation. You focus on age and not social expectation. Why should old men be wise and influential? That puts pressure on us old farts. Why can't we be just men?

    I do not know how having pretty females is objectifying women.


    No I don't focus on age. I am just saying that old and UGLY men are portrayed in the video as main characters, but when it comes to women, they have to be beautiful an young. There is nothing wrong with portraying, NOT OBJECTIFYING, pretty women OR MEN. But are they the only type that exists in the world? Striking a balance is the key. If we the creators give a game where nobody is objectified we are bound to accept it. They are the ones setting such standards, not us. Explicit scenes are forbidden for young kids, but do the game creators keep that in mind? They may rate something as PG-13, but may give a very inviting cover with aforementioned scenes. And honestly speaking why all the restrictions for immature audience? They won't heed the warning or will see the contents when they grow up.

    Jedi, you may not dislike the objectification of women which had been done since a long time back. But I do. That's why I am protesting. I am not trying to put you down. This is a place where everyone is entitled to express their own opinions.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #80 - February 15, 2014, 03:25 PM
    I agree that most games are made with mostly young men in mind. This is why the male character you control is usually a "badass" while the female character usually plays the supporting role.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #81 - February 15, 2014, 03:38 PM
    Quote from: Rubaya on February 15, 2014, 02:44 PM
    Not everyone does that. But some do. And I strongly agree with the fact that such games can negatively affect a kid's and sometimes adult's mentality. And I have said that's just my opinion. You are all welcome to debunk it with logic.

    In order to debunk anything of the sort, I'd first like to see the evidence.

    It goes without saying that children are influenced during development by what they see, but that's nothing to do with adult media and everything to do with negligent parenting and lack of productive learning. It's especially unreasonable to single out video games. It seems like the same superstitious mentality of those who blamed heavy metal music before video games.

    That said, you made a broader point about fulfilling fantasies, a point on which you did not have in mind just children and seemed more aimed towards adults. That's the point I'd like you to expand upon. I reject it outright in its current form as just an empty assertion.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #82 - February 15, 2014, 03:53 PM
    Nowadays, parents have limitations. Many parents in my country are scared to explore their own phones, let alone their kids'. That's just an example. And when it comes to adults I do stand by the fact SOME are also influenced. My statement about VS Fashion Shows is one, although it's not related to video games. I have got such reactions from many adults, "Rubaya, look at my tummy. And you are asking me to watch the programme?" This has come out of the mouth of a girl with a beautiful tummy, although not flat like a pancake. Adults are not fools but their judgement can be clouded by the media. And another point is a kid who grows playing violent video games has 50-50 chances of discarding his/her violent ideologies when they become adults. Why do we teach kids morals when we know that when they will grow up, they can decide by themselves what's good or bad? Adults never stop learning. There are violent adults who are influenced by video games. It's not unheard of that an individual is killed by someone else just because the former can't pay debts of 20Tk, and the murderer is a sane one. You may attribute it to improper upbringing. But this media where they glorify men's brawn to UNHEALTHY extent MAY play a fact.

    Ishina, you want evidence. Give me time to look for some. If I can't then I will accept your point.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #83 - February 15, 2014, 04:05 PM
    Just to narrow it down a bit, I'm not looking for evidence of short-term stress and hormone release during video game activity. I'm looking for a causative relationship between video games and violent crime, or video games and long-term psychology.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #84 - February 15, 2014, 04:35 PM
    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/128446/Study_Violent_Video_Games_Have_LongTerm_Effect_On_Brain_Functioning.php

    My point is, video games are something that will be played for a long time, and hence it's effects will also last long. Another thing is I am not into games. This is because I started wearing glasses after I became a gamer and so stopped it. So, the only violent game that I have been exposed to is Vice City. While playing it, my 35 year old cousin actually killed an innocent pedestrian for no benefit. I hated the fact that there was no consequence for that in the game. If the creator would have wanted he could have prevented such happenings, at least for the sake of the children. They might as well add the feature of blowing up casinos. If the game was just about killing the enemies/human obstacles, irrespective of whether they are good or bad, I would have been OK with it. After all it's a game about a man who is out there committing felony.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #85 - February 15, 2014, 04:50 PM
    This is a study linking long-term video game use to violence http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22040315

    This is a study that says that there is no link between the two http://www.tamiu.edu/newsinfo/newsarticles/2013-MediaViolence011713.shtml

    I nabbed them from this article for your reference on the context http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/science/studying-the-effects-of-playing-violent-video-games.html?_r=0

    An article verifying the link http://www.dailynebraskan.com/news/article_eaad5458-2efc-11e3-b7de-001a4bcf6878.html

    ..and another http://psychcentral.com/news/2012/12/11/negative-effects-of-violent-video-games-may-build-over-time/48918.html

    Some videogame rage videos if you're not familiar with the trend:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8FgTYTswfg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlfqFvYFKcc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8SWMAQYQf0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNOnepGHvj0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rAtlp2dDPU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HbCkU_-cM
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #86 - February 15, 2014, 04:57 PM
    The youtube user tooltime9901 had made 2 excellent series of videos about FeministFrequency, one criticizing her arguments and the other criticizing the arguments of her critics. They are the most balanced take on Anita that I have seen.

    "An examination of FeministFrequency videos and examples."
    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9IOjFRFjrOnuzSm_E95EOI0uVsZrAlsN

    "An examination of the common arguments made in response to FeministFrequncy and feminism generally."
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    "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies" ~ Nietzsche
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #87 - February 15, 2014, 05:09 PM
    Excellent.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #88 - February 15, 2014, 05:14 PM
    Quote from: Rubaya on February 15, 2014, 04:35 PM
    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/128446/Study_Violent_Video_Games_Have_LongTerm_Effect_On_Brain_Functioning.php

    You don't need a scientists to tell you that 11 people playing video games 10 hours a day for a week is not even close to a thorough and conclusive study on long-term effects. 11 people is not a big enough sample size. 1 week (plus 1 week study) is not long term. The minor before and after difference is what anybody would expect after playing games for 10 hours a day every day.  Did they try the same with non-violent video games? Did they try the same with football or other sports? Does this correlate at all with any kind of violence on the part of the study subjects?

    Quote from: Rubaya on February 15, 2014, 04:35 PM
    So, the only violent game that I have been exposed to is Vice City. While playing it, my 35 year old cousin actually killed an innocent pedestrian for no benefit. I hated the fact that there was no consequence for that in the game. If the creator would have wanted he could have prevented such happenings, at least for the sake of the children. They might as well add the feature of blowing up casinos. If the game was just about killing the enemies/human obstacles, irrespective of whether they are good or bad, I would have been OK with it. After all it's a game about a man who is out there committing felony.

    One time on GTA5, I found a suitable roof vantage point overlooking a busy city intersection. I went down into the street, carjacked several cars, killing anyone who put up a fight, and parked the stolen cars across roads to create a bottleneck with the intention of creating a traffic jam. When the intersection was packed with stopped cars that couldn't go anywhere, I ran back up to my vantage point and rained grenades and molotovs down on them, causing a chain reaction of exploding cars and people. Pedestrians ran screaming in all directions, which I gunned down with glee using my assault rifle. My wanted level quickly went up to full 5 stars. When the police came in droves, then the SWAT, then the army, I killed them all without flinching. Wave upon wave of them. I lost count of how many I killed. I kept running out of people to shoot at. It was such a rush. The endless waves eventually overwhelmed me and wasted me. I woke up a few seconds later at the nearest hospital with my wanted level reset and a small medical bill. Then I went to meet a friend and had pasta.

    What do you think about that?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Feminist Frequency
     Reply #89 - February 15, 2014, 05:19 PM
    Playing Mario has a causative relationship with the desire to be a plumber  Cheesy.
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