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 Topic: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom

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  • The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     OP - June 14, 2012, 08:36 AM

    The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
    by Peter Singer

    Project-Syndicate.org

    What are the proper limits of religious freedom? Marianne Thieme, leader of the Party for the Animals in the Netherlands, offers this answer: “Religious freedom stops where human or animal suffering begins.”

    The Party for the Animals, the only animal-rights party to be represented in a national parliament, has proposed a law requiring that all animals be stunned before slaughter. The proposal has united Islamic and Jewish leaders in defense of what they see as a threat to their religious freedom, because their religious doctrines prohibit eating meat from animals that are not conscious when killed.

    The Dutch parliament has given the leaders a year to prove that their religions’ prescribed methods of slaughter cause no more pain than slaughter with prior stunning. If they cannot do so, the requirement to stun before slaughtering will be implemented.

    Meanwhile, in the United States, Catholic bishops have claimed that President Barack Obama is violating their religious freedom by requiring all big employers, including Catholic hospitals and universities, to offer their employees health insurance that covers contraception. And, in Israel, the ultra-orthodox, who interpret Jewish law as prohibiting men from touching women to whom they are not related or married, want separate seating for men and women on buses, and to halt the government’s plan to end exemption from military service for full-time religious students (63,000 in 2010).

    When people are prohibited from practicing their religion – for example, by laws that bar worshiping in certain ways – there can be no doubt that their freedom of religion has been violated. Religious persecution was common in previous centuries, and still occurs in some countries today.

    But prohibiting the ritual slaughter of animals does not stop Jews or Muslims from practicing their religion. During the debate on the Party for the Animals’ proposal, Rabbi Binyomin Jacobs, Chief Rabbi of the Netherlands, told members of parliament: “If we no longer have people who can do ritual slaughter in the Netherlands, we will stop eating meat.” And that, of course, is what one should do, if one adheres to a religion that requires animals to be slaughtered in a manner less humane than can be achieved by modern techniques.

    Neither Islam nor Judaism upholds a requirement to eat meat. And I am not calling upon Jews and Muslims to do any more than I have chosen to do myself, for ethical reasons, for more than 40 years.

    Restricting the legitimate defense of religious freedom to rejecting proposals that stop people from practicing their religion makes it possible to resolve many other disputes in which it is claimed that freedom of religion is at stake. For example, allowing men and women to sit in any part of a bus does not violate orthodox Jews’ religious freedom, because Jewish law does not command that one use public transport. It’s just a convenience that one can do without – and orthodox Jews can hardly believe that the laws to which they adhere were intended to make life maximally convenient.

    Likewise, the Obama administration’s requirement to provide health insurance that covers contraception does not prevent Catholics from practicing their religion. Catholicism does not oblige its adherents to run hospitals and universities. (The government already exempts parishes and dioceses, thereby drawing a distinction between institutions that are central to the freedom to practice one’s religion and those that are peripheral to it.)

    Of course, the Catholic Church would be understandably reluctant to give up its extensive networks of hospitals and universities. My guess is that, before doing so, they would come to see the provision of health-insurance coverage for contraception as compatible with their religious teachings. But, if the Church made the opposite decision, and handed over its hospitals and universities to bodies that were willing to provide the coverage, Catholics would still be free to worship and follow their religion’s teachings.

    Religious exemption from military service can be more difficult to resolve, because some religions teach pacifism. That problem is usually resolved by providing alternative service that is no less arduous than military service (so that such religions do not attract adherents for that reason alone), but that does not involve fighting or killing.

    Judaism, however, is not pacifist, so, once again, there is no real issue of religious freedom at stake. The ultra-orthodox want exemption for those who spend their time studying the Torah on the grounds that Torah study is as important as military service to Israel’s well-being. Providing the option of non-combatant national service thus will not resolve this dispute, unless it consists of Torah study. But there is no reason why Israel’s secular majority should share the belief that having tens of thousands of ultra-orthodox scholars studying the Torah provides any benefit at all to the nation, and it is certainly not as arduous as military service.

    Not all conflicts between religion and the state are easy to resolve. But the fact that these three issues, all currently causing controversy in their respective countries, are not really about the freedom to practice one’s religion, suggests that the appeal to religious freedom is being misused.
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #1 - June 14, 2012, 08:37 AM

    So very true. Many religious people like to use the argument of "religious freedom" as a way to be free to enforce their religion on other people.
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #2 - June 14, 2012, 08:45 AM

    Well written article. I like his arguments. Smiley

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #3 - June 14, 2012, 08:48 AM

    Thanks for sharing Abood, awesome article with great points.  Afro
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #4 - June 14, 2012, 08:56 AM

    People....Will never understand them  wacko

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #5 - June 14, 2012, 08:57 AM

    Wish I could zap everyone with an 'anti-religion' gun, where they won't be religious any more.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #6 - June 14, 2012, 08:59 AM

    You know what...Since there is a particular part of the brain which becomes active with spiritual thinking/religious feelings come into play...Then it should be possible to create something that will tamper with that.... hmmm....

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #7 - June 14, 2012, 09:00 AM

    Wish I could zap everyone with an 'anti-religion' gun, where they won't be religious any more.


    Especially the annoyingly religious ones. Like when the missionaries come to my door, I could zap them with the anti-religion gun and they would leave me alone!  evil
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #8 - June 14, 2012, 09:02 AM

     Shooter

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #9 - June 14, 2012, 09:07 AM

    Especially the annoyingly religious ones. Like when the missionaries come to my door, I could zap them with the anti-religion gun and they would leave me alone!  evil

    Just find out which bit of the brain it is, and aim carefully with an axe.

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  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #10 - June 14, 2012, 09:17 AM

    You know what...Since there is a particular part of the brain which becomes active with spiritual thinking/religious feelings come into play...Then it should be possible to create something that will tamper with that.... hmmm....

    That's pretty inhumane.
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #11 - June 14, 2012, 09:22 AM

    Just find out which bit of the brain it is, and aim carefully with an axe.


    You keep coming up with ways to make me die or go to jail.  

    First the motorbike comment, now this, what will be next?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Will have to take the axe to my own head first, and aim for the bit that uses good-judgement, 'cause otherwise I'll wimp out.  Cheesy

    Meh, might just wait until I have sleep-deprivation hallucinations again and if they come around when it's happening they will never fucking come back 'cause I'll totally freak them out.  evil

    Undecided Then again, they might try and exorcism on me, don't know if mormons do that too, but think so, pretty much every religion does exorcisms of some sort.
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #12 - June 14, 2012, 09:22 AM

    That's pretty inhumane.


    I was just throwing out an obvious idea...brainwashing, a more direct approach Tongue

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #13 - June 14, 2012, 12:30 PM

    Jeez, those damn catholics. There is no need to criticize Obama's administration. If they dont like the contraception as part of the package, they should simply ask for alternative, not go out and be yelling "You are abusing our freedom to practice religion!" Roll Eyes

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

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  • Re: The Use and Abuse of Religious Freedom
     Reply #14 - June 14, 2012, 01:55 PM

    The article does make some interesting points. In the case of religions that have business entities should they offer health insurance benefits in line with the law of the land or with thier religious believes? That on seems easy enough. They're operating a business the law of the land applies they will be employing people of various religious choices and have no right to inflict a religiouly based choice on there employees.

    The how to slaughter animals debate may not turn out quite as simple. It may be quite possible to prove it is more humane to slaughter an animal without first causing it to be unconscience by means of a sonic concussion. Perhaps there are slaughter yards that use different methods but the commercial slaughter of animals is barbaric. I am not the least bit interested in letting animal rights people start to get their finger into making laws about how to should be done. Jewish and Islamic ritual butchering has a lot to be said for quick clean kill when done properly. However as the article said the unavailability of kosher or halal meat doesn't prevent the practice of either religion.

    The thing to think about when you're willing to limit another persons freedom is the fact it is setting up a situations of intolerance. Like I've already said it depends on what level it is occurring.

    Employer offering health insurance must offer a birthcontrol option if that is the law of the land.If and what type of birth control a person wants to use is a personal choice. This is just one situation that could arise.

    Intolerance is insidious.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

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