Slightly unrelated, but here was basically a conversation that happened when a Muslim on Facebook denied the whole Aisha thing:
Her:
Alright so yeah about aisha ra being 9
Well the hadith wasn't authentic
Me:
You sure?
Her:
In the quran it says that a woman has to like agree with the marriage
So the first time aishas father proposed his daughterd hand in marriage to the prophet was when she was six .. The prophet refused because she was too young
Me:
That's not what that hadith says
Her:
The next time she was proposed to she was past the age of puberty ( so a woman) thus the prophet accepted
Me:
Where does it say that?
BEcause there's like 5 hadiths that say she was 6
Her:
Its a lecture by yusuf estes
Yeah the thing is the ages are wrong she was young but a girl in islam can only marry after puberty
So the ages are wrong in all of the hadiths?
And a girl doesn't have to have puberty in islam to marry
According to the quran anyway
Honestly there so many un authentic hadith's out there
This is the sahih bukhari though
Well yes in the quran it states that a grl herself has to accept the marriage like has to know what's going on .. And that is after puberty
And the Quran itself allows marriage to pre-pubescents
No
Yes
Where?
*show her the whole 65:1-7*
Basically a girl cannot get married until she's at the age of ferility Seth ..
Well the Quran doesn't seem to agree with that statement
65:4
For those who have not menstruated
IE pre-pubescent
I know puberty comes at all ages but pre-pubescent means not fertile
REgardless of age
Well not all ages but you get my point
So aisha got married and lived with her husbnad when she was fully fertile
She didn't live with him right away I don't think
But she was indeed married at 6
Unless you think that the Sahih Nukhari is wrong
Bukhari
Like if you go back to arab history it was normal for girls to get married really early but then the marriage to aisha set the example that let these women mature so they understand marriage and responsibilites
Yea I know all that
But she was married at 6
According to the hadiths
And consumated at 9
I'm just going by the scripture here
There's a lot of hadith but the one that proves she went to live with him are many. There's one of her accompanying him to war. It was a rule no one under 15 could accompany the army to war so she ended up going which provesd she was 15-18 when she went to live with him
It doesn't matter when she went to live with him. They consumated when she was 9
Ill send you the link in the morning
Consumated being like legally wed right ?
Consumation is the first sexual intercourse after being married
Oh no no they did not engage in sexual intercourse
Yes
But out of the 11 wives she's the only virgin
*show her 4 hadiths*
Hadith are not in the quran though
They didn't have sex
But the Hadiths are still considered to be true
Sahih Bukhari
The Abu-Dawud hadiths also say the same thing
Which hadith from Bukhari
The most authentic are bukhari , muslim, thirmidu
*show her again*
Okay so thr hadith is by bukhari but the guy that. Gave the hadith hashim
Was to my knowledge on the documents I read was suffering some memory loss problem
In arabic 19 is ashra and then this other word
He only remembered the other word
To what I've heard
The 4th hadith was narrated by someone named Ursa
The second and third by Aisha herself
Okay hold up
There's so many hadith's !
I'm like neck high in them lol
Okay so apart from age what's your point ?
With this whole Aisha thing ?
Her later responses:
I think the Prophet was perfect well not I think he was .. In that time peruod before islam men married woman as young as 3 isn't the bad ?
Islam brought down the rights of a woman .. Girls matured quick according to history .. It was a norm to marry young through many countries even Europe
As in like gave them womans rights
See its not the fault of Islam its the way people think
Girls were buried at birth .. Beaten etc .. Islam helped them gain their rights within marriages household etc.
Couple days later she asks for the Bukhari references:
Her:
cause I have the actual bukhari website open it has no hadith like that
Later responses:
okay I want you to read this
http://www.2muslims.com/books/alraheeq.pdfthis is the most factual biography written of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.
It's won awards, and also all the infromation given is very much true
So do read it, and then we'll talk , and yeah let me go find that haidth
Me:
I don't need to read it it's so long
I got sick to be
And games to play
Besides, I doubt it takes preference over the scripture
Her:
Well point is, she's a virgin he's not a pedophile
No she's not and yea he is
Read the hadiths
Out of the 11 wives, she was the only one famously known as his only virgin wife
Well according to the scripture that's a lie
If you want to not recognize the scripture just say so
Where in the Quran does it say that ?
Not in the Quran
In the Sahih Bukhari
I found 5 websites that have it
So y'all aint good at looking
im literally going through every hadith bukhair gave man ! just wait
You don't need to go through every one lol
It's only 1 verse
Or whatever they're called
Okay so basically she was 6 when she was engaged .. she didnt get married at 6 just engaged
(spoken for)
and then she was wed at the age of 9
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Are you like
Doing this on purpose?
Or something?
Do you read EVERYTHING but the damn verse?
Ahaha man there's so much reading
Not really
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
That's it
Her later responses:
Yeah
but what' so pedophilic ? I don't get it .. I mean fine let's say she was 9
She was wed when she crossed puberty
So she was a woman*
Woman got married young inthose era's .. it was a custom
not just in the Arab's but globally
Okay well look we're not talking about this era we are discussing 1400 years ago
It was normal for girls to get married young
It was a belief that the guy/groom should be older
like eiher double,triple her age
So you ust have also read that even before she was married to the Prophet, she was engaged ?
to someone else
It wasnt just a custom in the Arab to get married early but also in other religions
looks at hinduism
girls were married as young as 5-6
Seth it's wrong now
Back then it was okay
It was normal to wed a young girl
It was a social norm back then
Now it's labelled pedophellic but you gotta look at the time period back then
Seth we're talking about back then though
Mary has Jesus at like 11
Which just shows women would mature much early then now
Seth it was a norm back then
even in the 1900 women got married like at 11-12 years old
some even at 9-10
that's because it was normal
Pedophellia is a term of this era
When we look back into history it's not, it's called life, it's called a social norm, it's called NORMAL !
Back then it wasn't bad
This is basically something non-Muslims have created just to talk bad about thhe Prophet PBUH nothing else
They just want Islam to look like a bad religion when it's not
He was the perfect man, there was nothing imperfect about him
Islam brang down guidance and simplicity to all not just Muslims, Muslims are those who follow it .. Islam isn't a bad religion
Topic: Shit Muslims Say To Ex-Muslims