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  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #90 - August 06, 2012, 04:39 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on August 06, 2012, 03:50 PM
    You're hilarious. Never before have I seen someone panic and squirm so much when their own statistics and sources are quoted. It's almost like quoting the Bible to a Christian. "You're taking it out of context!"

    I literally said nothing to you in the last post. Nothing at all. Merely quoted 2 lines from your source. And you lost your shit.


    What you said there astonishes me. Are you being dense today or what? Are you saying you did not selectively quote the 2 lines from my source ( & intentionally ommit others) with the intention of deceptively diminishing the validity of my point or was it just coincidence? Or are you  just thick?
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #91 - August 06, 2012, 04:56 PM
    Ask me again after you've made a coherent point.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #92 - August 06, 2012, 05:23 PM
    Errrm- now that I’ve kind of established with a reasonable level of statistical support, that men & women like to fool around any chance of a shag anyone??
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #93 - August 06, 2012, 05:31 PM
    And since I'm clearly just 'dense' and 'thick', let me be sure I understand correctly: Instead of being based on the low percentage of people who actually cheat, is your argument based on the higher percentage who have admitted to fantasising about it?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #94 - August 06, 2012, 06:01 PM
    Good point - let me have a look at the actual source itself & I'll get back to you later. I don't like to jump to conclusions
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #95 - August 06, 2012, 07:21 PM
    Can't locate the actual source to locate details of the scope or extent of the actual research/study carried out ( is it one country or worldwide etc.) but it looks good.
    If we assume the source is rock solid & we then take my initial point as clarified- infidelity which can also be non physical is inevitable in marriage,at some point, for reasons that were summarized well in the article I posted but essentially because people are not 'always' naturally faithful- their attitude to it can change- especially men because of their hardwiring.
    If we take my point & then take the totality of stats from this source & the other sources (one of which you used yourself when it suited you)  then I still think I have a reasonable case. I never claimed to have an overwhemingly conclusive one.
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #96 - August 06, 2012, 07:23 PM
    How the heck can it be infidelity if it's non-physical?   Huh?
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #97 - August 06, 2012, 07:34 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 06, 2012, 07:21 PM
    Can't locate the actual source to locate details of the scope or extent of the actual research/study carried out ( is it one country or worldwide etc.) but it looks good.
    If we assume the source is rock solid & we then take my initial point as clarified- infidelity which can also be non physical is inevitable in marriage,at some point, for reasons that were summarized well in the article I posted but essentially because people are not 'always' naturally faithful- their attitude to it can change- especially men because of their hardwiring.

    How do you reconcile the idea that infidelity is inevitable in marriage with the fact that only a relatively small fraction of married people commit infidelity?

    I'm just going by your source. That's what it says. I don't necessarily think your source is trustworthy, but for arguments sake I'm willing to go along with it.

    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 06, 2012, 07:21 PM
    If we take my point & then take the totality of stats from this source & the other sources (one of which you used yourself when it suited you)  then I still think I have a reasonable case. I never claimed to have an overwhemingly conclusive one.

    No no no. You can't just take all the numbers on the page regardless of what they mean, get an average number from them all, and then claim that the average is an accurate statistic for this or that.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #98 - August 06, 2012, 07:36 PM
    One final point I forgot- you said that it's people 'fantasizing' about it which is actually diminishing the relevance of these two stats:

    Percentage of men who say they would have an affair if they knew they would never get caught- 74 %
     Percentage of women who say they would have an affair if they knew they would never get caught- 68 %

    They are saying they 'would' have an affair (sexual/physical) if they knew they wouldn't get caught. This strongly supports my point & I can understand why you didn't quote it. Wink
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #99 - August 06, 2012, 07:40 PM
    It's still just a fantasy. A thought. An idea. It's not actually happening. Infidelity doesn't literally manifest just because someone thinks about it. The reason I didn't quote it is: it's not real.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #100 - August 06, 2012, 08:40 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #101 - August 06, 2012, 08:51 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 06, 2012, 10:19 AM
    The reason you are no longer credible is because you have already conceded my point in a previous post when you said "Prevalence of such a condition aside..........."  So get lost asshole.


    I put the prevalence of the condition aside, because its irrelevant to a moral judgement...

    Prickface.  da finga
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #102 - August 06, 2012, 09:36 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on August 06, 2012, 07:40 PM
    It's still just a fantasy. A thought. An idea. It's not actually happening. Infidelity doesn't literally manifest just because someone thinks about it. The reason I didn't quote it is: it's not real.


    It's indicative of an inherent need for additional stimulation outside marriage which I think often does manifest itself physically or even emotionally, at some point.
    Let's not forget it's just one source. I think it's reliable too. Why don't you?

    I reconcile it by not going solely on the stats. I can't prove it using stats but I can formulate my own opinion on the validity of my claim based on stats & also on my own experiences & the experiences of others I have known throughout my life.
    Also, I wonder about the number of married men who have visited a prostitute at some point. I wonder if the figures include that aspect. That would add another dimension to it.
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #103 - August 06, 2012, 09:42 PM
    Quote from: asbie on August 05, 2012, 03:24 AM
    Nail. Head. Hit.


    Asbie - if you're more intersted in discussing the moral aspect of it then don't post comments like that in response to abood's post because it suggests you wanted to put it aside temporarily.
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #104 - August 06, 2012, 10:09 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 06, 2012, 09:36 PM
    It's indicative of an inherent need for additional stimulation outside marriage which I think often does manifest itself physically or even emotionally, at some point.

    You give too much weight to it. I am, right now, happily engaged. Give me an hour, a day, a week, a month, and I still could not satisfactorily describe in words how truly, deeply, passionately, insanely, unequivocally in love I am. And yet... I am in another thread, talking about which athletes I would literally fuck.

    According to your theory, is my relationship doomed?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #105 - August 06, 2012, 10:30 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on August 06, 2012, 10:09 PM
    You give too much weight to it. I am, right now, happily engaged. Give me an hour, a day, a week, a month, and I still could not satisfactorily describe in words how truly, deeply, passionately, insanely, unequivocally in love I am. And yet... I am in another thread, talking about which athletes I would literally fuck.

    According to your theory, is my relationship doomed?

    Congrats.. is it logical mind  cool2
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #106 - August 06, 2012, 10:57 PM
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #107 - August 06, 2012, 11:07 PM
     Cheesy

    He was fucking hilarious, he should be unbanned. I loved his dramatic posts stalking ishina, then being told to fuck off  Cheesy
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #108 - August 07, 2012, 12:11 AM
    I have heard it said, that if you put a bean/pea into a jar for one for everytime you had sex before marriage to partner, and after marriage took a bean/pea out of the jar, everytime you had sex, you would not empty the jar. Or summat along those lines.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #109 - August 07, 2012, 12:34 AM
    Quote from: Abood on August 06, 2012, 10:07 AM
    Which proves my point that he's a personification of patriarchy. And add on to it the fact that he's a misogynist and a rape apologist. And of course the icing is that he plays the victim.


    I don't really know how to respond to this. Usually say when a racist is accused of hating, oft is the line  'one of my best friends is black' quoted, but would a would a racist want a black/asian person to say win Big Brother.

    This year my face two a re Deana, the classy Indian girl and Scott, the sole gay guy, there is a transgender- woman to man, btw delivered one of the funniest lines, who would still be in my top 5, out of eight.

    lol just deleted the rest of the message because I dont want to bore you with the my-nu-she-i of each housemate, just that Deana has faced a pig of a man in Connor, who has enough girls on the outside who fancy him lol.

    The long and short of it, would a mysogynist, rape apologist, but above all would a patriarchal man support a woman and a homosexual to win, I really don't think so.

    As for rape apologist, you had your chance to respond to logic and reasoning in the thread by desuvelt.

    ETA - I know its not scientific proof, and on a messageboard words speak louder than actions (that was good even if I blow my own trumpet) but perhaps you are mistaking my projected persona with the real me. Real me? harmless, live and let live.

    My projected persona-  a person who frames his case on the basis that Moses born in the nineteenth century would have written the Origin of Species and if Darwin was born three thousand years ago he may have codified laws under a monotheistic god.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #110 - August 07, 2012, 12:58 AM
    Of course that does not mean that my assertion is right, the whole point of bringing it up, is to see if it stands uptown any scrutiny. Where best to get peer reviewed than a site with intellectual ex muslims with a scientific, creative, analytical bent. One populated by some people who raison d'etre (sp?) is the total opposite of that assertion.

    But otherwise I can talk about other stuff lol. So Allat could you please tell me was this the 'transparent' you talked off, you said it was transparent as to what I was doing.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #111 - August 07, 2012, 01:33 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on August 06, 2012, 10:09 PM
    You give too much weight to it. I am, right now, happily engaged. Give me an hour, a day, a week, a month, and I still could not satisfactorily describe in words how truly, deeply, passionately, insanely, unequivocally in love I am. And yet... I am in another thread, talking about which athletes I would literally fuck.

    According to your theory, is my relationship doomed?


    Would you fuck them if you could get away with it. Or do celebrities(athletes) not count, or it don't matter to your partner who you sleep with?
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #112 - August 07, 2012, 01:40 AM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on August 07, 2012, 12:34 AM
    My projected persona-  a person who frames his case on the basis that Moses born in the nineteenth century would have written the Origin of Species and if Darwin was born three thousand years ago he may have codified laws under a monotheistic god.

    I've already told you homeboy, Darwin had been into biology all his life, Moses wasn't. How the fuck would Moses write the origin of species when he didn't have any interest in biology.
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #113 - August 07, 2012, 09:16 AM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 06, 2012, 09:42 PM
    Asbie - if you're more intersted in discussing the moral aspect of it then don't post comments like that in response to abood's post because it suggests you wanted to put it aside temporarily.


    You posted the statistics as if it was proof of an unavoidable naturalistic certainty. Simply pointing out that this isn't the case, and thus supports the opposing line of reasoning.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #114 - August 07, 2012, 10:00 AM
    Ishina & Maya ( who I think mentioned non physical infidelity) – My thought processes aren’t always instant nowadays, I tend to mull things over & reflect more. Anyway, I’ve had a thought about the stats & the people who actually cheated. I can’t be certain but I think it’s most probably referring only to direct physical/sexual cheating with other people. I never ruled out other forms of what can be deemed as infidelity although maybe I could have been clearer on it. Let me ask you- if your partner was secretly & regularly talking & having cyber sex with other women on the net then surely you would also deem that as infidelity? Fidelity is about sexual & emotional exclusivity between two people & infidelity is a breach of this exclusivity whether it be direct or indirect (in the form of the net). This exclusivity is what I was referring to as being unrealistic over long periods of time, in my base point, when I used the words strict adherance in relation to a traditional, happily-ever-after marriage.

    P.s- No -regarding your own engagement/marriage- it does not have to be doomed. These are my own thoughts & feelings & I'm not perfect & could be wrong in many cases & I hope your one of those cases.
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #115 - August 07, 2012, 10:01 AM
    Quote from: asbie on August 07, 2012, 09:16 AM
    You posted the statistics as if it was proof of an unavoidable naturalistic certainty. Simply pointing out that this isn't the case, and thus supports the opposing line of reasoning.


    OK- point taken.
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #116 - August 07, 2012, 12:19 PM
    Hmm,,   asbie  wrote something here... that is damn good


    "You posted the statistics as if it was proof of an unavoidable naturalistic certainty."     ....  asbie

    It is indeed a point that one must keep in mind  for those  who  use statistics to prove their point..
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #117 - August 07, 2012, 01:20 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 07, 2012, 10:00 AM
    Ishina & Maya ( who I think mentioned non physical infidelity) – My thought processes aren’t always instant nowadays, I tend to mull things over & reflect more. Anyway, I’ve had a thought about the stats & the people who actually cheated. I can’t be certain but I think it’s most probably referring only to direct physical/sexual cheating with other people. I never ruled out other forms of what can be deemed as infidelity although maybe I could have been clearer on it. Let me ask you- if your partner was secretly & regularly talking & having cyber sex with other women on the net then surely you would also deem that as infidelity? Fidelity is about sexual & emotional exclusivity between two people & infidelity is a breach of this exclusivity whether it be direct or indirect (in the form of the net). This exclusivity is what I was referring to as being unrealistic over long periods of time, in my base point, when I used the words strict adherance in relation to a traditional, happily-ever-after marriage.

    P.s- No -regarding your own engagement/marriage- it does not have to be doomed. These are my own thoughts & feelings & I'm not perfect & could be wrong in many cases & I hope your one of those cases.


    Hmmm.....  would I consider cyber-sex with someone else as infidelity?   No, not in the true sense, but emotionally it would be another matter of course depending on the type of relationship you have with your spouse and the depth of feelings you have for them, married or not.  I can't recall emotional exclusivity as being in the marriage contract though.  wacko
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #118 - August 07, 2012, 02:24 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 07, 2012, 10:00 AM
    P.s- No -regarding your own engagement/marriage- it does not have to be doomed. These are my own thoughts & feelings & I'm not perfect & could be wrong in many cases & I hope your one of those cases.

    Well, talk me through it. Elaborate. Saying you 'could be wrong' only tells me you believe it to be doomed even if you admit you might be wrong.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Marriage?
     Reply #119 - August 07, 2012, 07:48 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on August 07, 2012, 02:24 PM
    Well, talk me through it. Elaborate. Saying you 'could be wrong' only tells me you believe it to be doomed even if you admit you might be wrong.


    Nope. My thoughts on marriage & infidelity on this thread are now done & this time I mean it.
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
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