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 Topic: Golden Ratio and Mecca?

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  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #30 - August 25, 2012, 12:12 PM
    stop letting other people's opinoins influence yours.
    dont worry about thumbs down on a video, or people not agreeing with a claim.

    if there is a specific counter argument you find worth looking into, then present it here.

    which specific comments " seem to refute his [rationalizer's] video"
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #31 - August 25, 2012, 12:12 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on August 25, 2012, 12:08 PM
    Anyway, I did not see any such videos before yet I simply used what you said in the first post to calculate the distance between Mecca and the golden parallel, and I also figured out it's off by about 20 km just like the video did in the first calculation.

    So that might be a clue.

    The Kaaba being 20km off is a result of the change between the time Allah gave Abraham the order to build the Kaaba to the time Abraham started building it. Allah had dial-up back then.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #32 - August 25, 2012, 12:13 PM
    Does it not seem like if Mecca was on the golden mean that it doesn't mean anything? It's just a coincidence?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #33 - August 25, 2012, 12:14 PM
    My mom was born 20 km from a point exactly halfway between the north pole and the equator: that's proof that my mother is a holy messenger of God.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #34 - August 25, 2012, 12:14 PM
    "2. your calculations are wrong simply because the earth is not a perfect sphere. if you had any clue about what you are doing then you wouldn't try "prove" this using 360 degrees."

    That is part of the top comment on TheRationalizer's video
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #35 - August 25, 2012, 12:16 PM
    no. it would not be significant,  because Rio de Janero is also on it, as are two random places in the sea.

    As are 96 other places depending on which time zone you start your calculation from

    As are 1436 other places depending on which degree of longitude you start your calculation from
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #36 - August 25, 2012, 12:16 PM
    The earth not being a perfect sphere makes the kaaba even more off from the golden mean.  Those calculations were shown to you on the previous page.

    Wasn't the Kaaba originally somewhere else anyway?  Mohammed moved it to Mecca because he fell out with the Jews.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #37 - August 25, 2012, 12:17 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 12:13 PM
    Does it not seem like if Mecca was on the golden mean that it doesn't mean anything?

    What would it mean? Help us out here.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #38 - August 25, 2012, 12:18 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 12:14 PM
    "2. your calculations are wrong simply because the earth is not a perfect sphere. if you had any clue about what you are doing then you wouldn't try "prove" this using 360 degrees."

    That is part of the top comment on TheRationalizer's video


    ok, well, that is quite silly.
    The earth certainly does have 360 degrees, even if it is not a perfect sphere (which it pretty much is anyway)
    the earth could be a pentagon, and you could still divide it into 360 uniform degrees
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #39 - August 25, 2012, 12:19 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 12:14 PM
    "2. your calculations are wrong simply because the earth is not a perfect sphere. if you had any clue about what you are doing then you wouldn't try "prove" this using 360 degrees."

    That is part of the top comment on TheRationalizer's video

    Precisely:

    the Earth is not a perfect sphere, which means that the poles are closer to the centre than the equator.
    Which means that the distance between the poles is actually LESS than expected by such calculation.
    Which means that the golden points lie even closer to the equator, which means it's more far away from Mecca than such calculation shows.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #40 - August 25, 2012, 12:20 PM
    By the way, I already answered all this on the very first reply in this thread.

    Did you ignore it on purpose or what? :|
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #41 - August 25, 2012, 12:21 PM
    If Mecca is the golden mean, do you find that significant?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #42 - August 25, 2012, 12:21 PM
    I must have missed it
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #43 - August 25, 2012, 12:26 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 12:21 PM
    If Mecca is the golden mean, do you find that significant?


    NO
    do you find it significant that according to the same logic, Rio de janeiro is also on the 'golden point' ?
    what about the other two random places in the sea that are also on it

    There are 4 golden points from every single place you choose to start from. Spheres do not have starting points, so the GMT timzeone has been chosen arbitrarily.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #44 - August 25, 2012, 12:26 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 12:21 PM
    If Mecca is the golden mean, do you find that significant?

    I'd see no reason to see it as significant. You evidently do see it as significant. I'm asking you to explain why it would be significant.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #45 - August 25, 2012, 12:26 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 12:21 PM
    If Mecca is the golden mean, do you find that significant?

    No.
    Like I said, I live pretty close to the parallel halfway between north pole and equator.

    Do you find that significant?
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #46 - August 25, 2012, 12:27 PM
    You've been had by some sciencey sounding propaganda, IamtheMoonGod.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #47 - August 25, 2012, 12:29 PM
    the golden ratio does seem to be something that is embedded in nature. its a ratio that we find beautiful, and many biological (and i think non biolgical) systems employ it for something or other.

    if there was a single 'golden point' of the earth, and only one way to calculate it,  AND Mecca were actually on it, then I would maybe find it  significant
    But there are thousands of candidates.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #48 - August 25, 2012, 12:32 PM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on August 25, 2012, 12:29 PM
    if there was a single 'golden point' of the earth, and only one way to calculate it, then I would maybe find it  significant.
    But there are thousands of candidates.

    But even then, it would only be significant from the moment the world map became standardised. Which makes it only trivially significant in an already arbitrary configuration.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #49 - August 25, 2012, 12:32 PM
    Because if most things living follow the golden ratio, it seems funny how Mecca would follow it too.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #50 - August 25, 2012, 12:33 PM
    You've been reading too much Dan Brown.   Cheesy
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #51 - August 25, 2012, 12:35 PM
    This made me chuckel  Smiley
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #52 - August 25, 2012, 12:36 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on August 25, 2012, 12:32 PM
    But even then, it would only be significant from the moment the world map became standardised. Which makes it only trivially significant in an already arbitrary configuration.


    thats what i mean by 'only one way to calculate it'. You need an obvious vertical line/degree longitude/time zone on which to start. There isn't one.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #53 - August 25, 2012, 12:42 PM
    I was talking the North and South poles (geographical)
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #54 - August 25, 2012, 12:50 PM
    but thats not enough. That would only leave you with two lines that encircle the entire planet, and pass through thousands of cities. North and south poles are obvious horizontal lines from which to start from. you also need a vertical starting point, to find a point alone the horizontal line.

    the muslims have chosen GMT time zone to start with, and would not be able to justify it. Nor would they able to explain why it is significant if Mecca is a golden point if we start from GMT, but it is not significant that Rio de Janeiro also is.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #55 - August 25, 2012, 12:51 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 11:54 AM
    Barely. I'm still in highschool and I'm just about to start my geometry class this year.


    MoonGod .. focus on high school geometry.. trigonometry .. calculus., partial differential equations.. physics ..etc..etc..

    for some time Forget    this moon god.. Mecca.. Kabba ..  Golden Ratios, silver spoons of Sand land kings.. Amrika hunger for oil  etc..etc.. and even you should forget  CEMB forum..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #56 - August 25, 2012, 12:54 PM
    if i asked you to find the golden ratio 'point' in the earth, could you do it. Do you understand how the Muslim argument works? Do you understand that there are FOUR golden ratio points no matter where you start from? Do you understand that GMT is a completely arbitrary choice of starting point?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #57 - August 25, 2012, 12:54 PM
    Y'all really think this is no big deal?

    P.s. y'all is short for 'you all'. Texan here!
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #58 - August 25, 2012, 12:55 PM
    YES!

    because mecca is not THE golden ratio point. It is one of thousands
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #59 - August 25, 2012, 01:03 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 12:54 PM
    Y'all really think this is no big deal?

    You are either not reading the answers you are getting or you do not understand them. Either way, our responses are not figuring into your thoughts.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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