Golden Ratio and Mecca?

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Reply #60 - August 25, 2012, 01:04 PM

If you're genuinely worried about this, consider that even if such a nerd-god exists, an obsessive numerologist like some Muslims, such a being would be capable of perfection, right? If such a god were to do such a thing, it would have the centre of the Kaaba precisely at some special point.

Well not only are the plates moving, but the tides change the shape of the earth in and out due to the moon, and the moon is slowly moving further away from Earth, thus changing the exact location of the golden point all the time (I say exact, but the GR is an irrational number, meaning the digits after the decimal point go on forever). Would a perfectionist god be happy to take an average for an arbitrary time range for his little gimmick?

As for the flat maps, there are many different ways of projecting a globe onto a flat map, and even the one the Muslim video uses is way out if you actually measure it (as youtube video maker CaptainDisguise does in the last few mins of his vid here.

All this is aside from the problem that the calculated location is not at the Kaaba, and the other problems mentioned.

If you want to be sure that Islam is false, then rather than try to disprove claims which you think might make it true, an easier strategy is to satisfy yourself that there is at least one imperfection or error in Islam, especially easy to do with the Quran. But better still, forget all this nonsense as Yeez says!

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Reply #61 - August 25, 2012, 01:17 PM

Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 11:17 AM
What if Mecca is the golden mean point? What implications would that make?

The Myth That Will Not Go Away
Part of the process of becoming a mathematics writer is, it appears, learning that you cannot refer to the golden ratio without following the first mention by a phrase that goes something like "which the ancient Greeks and others believed to have divine and mystical properties." Almost as compulsive is the urge to add a second factoid along the lines of "Leonardo Da Vinci believed that the human form displays the golden ratio."

There is not a shred of evidence to back up either claim, and every reason to assume they are both false. Yet both claims, along with various others in a similar vein, live on.
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Reply #62 - August 25, 2012, 01:42 PM

Great thread.

MoonGod, you're playing the ingenue's role to perfection. Fancy a tour of provincial theatres with Dr Sloth?

I can see your names in lights, right down to the odd missing bulb.
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Reply #63 - August 25, 2012, 02:11 PM

Sarcasm, David?
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Reply #64 - August 25, 2012, 02:14 PM

we should relocate santa to south pole.
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Reply #65 - August 25, 2012, 02:18 PM

That would upset the elves. Elves don't like the South Pole.

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Reply #66 - August 25, 2012, 02:21 PM

trade it with macca then
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Reply #67 - August 25, 2012, 02:25 PM

Oh, we'd never hear the end of it if the Kaaba was at the South Pole.

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Reply #68 - August 25, 2012, 02:29 PM

Too damn funny!

Anyone know when the narwhal bacons?
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Reply #69 - August 25, 2012, 02:32 PM

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION

What about the lines measured across in the Miracle of Kaaba video? He said something about solstice lines.
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Reply #70 - August 25, 2012, 02:34 PM

What are solstice lines then?

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Reply #71 - August 25, 2012, 02:36 PM

I don't know. Honestly, I don't. It was when it was measured on the flat map.
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Reply #72 - August 25, 2012, 02:37 PM

If Mecca is the most bestest evah point of the whole earf and proves the truth of the religion of that area, does that mean that the religions that were there before Islam are also true?

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #73 - August 25, 2012, 02:38 PM

I think you'll find solstice lines are a bit like ley lines - ie, new agey claptrap.

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Reply #74 - August 25, 2012, 02:40 PM

"The proportion from the eastern elongation to the western elongation which I determined from a solstice line from Mecca.." is what was said, if that helps!
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Reply #75 - August 25, 2012, 02:54 PM

Yeah, that helps. He's talking horseshit. You should take Yeezevee's advice, stop worrying about stupid You Tubes from religious fanatics and concentrate on your school work. If you want fantasy land, read a Harry Potter book.

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Reply #76 - August 25, 2012, 03:09 PM

The longitude measurements are taken from a completely arbitrary, man-made point. (But even with that Mecca is way off the mark).

The latitude measurements are taken from the North and South poles, so they would at least have some meaning outside of human understanding (i.e. for a creator God). So let's concentrate on the latitude.

According to the video, the latitude point for the golden mean is at 21.14.54 degrees, minutes, seconds.

Mecca is at 21.25.20 degrees, minutes, seconds. So it is off by 10 minutes, 26 seconds, which works out as 12 miles away.

The city of Taif is a closer match, it is located at 21.16.14 degrees, minutes, seconds. So it is off by only 1 minute and 20 seconds, which works out to an error of just 1.2 miles. In fact if you look on Google Earth and zoom to the city of Taif, Saudi Arabia, you will see that the golden mean latitude (21.14.54) is within the urban area of the modern city of Taif.

If you know your Islamic history then you will be aware that Taif was the location of the sanctuary of the Pre-Islamic Goddess Allat, that is before Muhammad and his goons demolished it.

Does this mean that Allat is the one true Goddess?
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Reply #77 - August 25, 2012, 03:35 PM

Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 02:29 PM
Anyone know when the narwhal bacons?

at 0:00 GMT

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Reply #78 - August 25, 2012, 03:58 PM

Off topic but quite interesting, there is an island in the pacific called Captains Bligh's Atoll, proper name alludes me, Telamagu perhaps which is the antipode of Mecca, basically on that island you can place your prayer mat anywhere and it points to Mecca.

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Reply #79 - August 25, 2012, 04:25 PM

First I want to point out that the system of measurement used in both the claimant's video and my video works on degrees. It doesn't matter if the Earth is prolate/oblate or a bloody potato. The people who make the "Earth isn't a sphere" argument are fuckwits.

Next I want to point out that the Kabah was a pagan temple long before Mo was born.
Then I want to point out that the real golden ratio point is a rock, if anything this is a sign from "gods" that paganism is correct.

Finally take this into account. There was about 273KM between the REAL golden ratio point on Earth and the Kabah. Consider this on a sub-atomic scale. A quick check on WolframAlpha shows that a proton is 8.77 x 10^-16 metres in size. That means that the all-powerful never-erroneous god missed by this much

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Reply #80 - August 25, 2012, 05:53 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on August 25, 2012, 04:25 PM
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Next I want to point out that the Kabah was a pagan temple long before Mo was born.
Then I want to point out that the real golden ratio point is a rock, if anything this is a sign from "gods" that paganism is correct.

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there you go .,

that will fix Muslim robots like Adnan Oktar who boasts this golden ratio nonsense as Muslim Mirchi Miracle

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Reply #81 - August 25, 2012, 08:21 PM

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If you want fantasy land, read a Harry Potter book.

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Reply #82 - August 25, 2012, 11:19 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on August 25, 2012, 02:54 PM
Yeah, that helps. He's talking horseshit. You should take Yeezevee's advice, stop worrying about stupid You Tubes from religious fanatics and concentrate on your school work. If you want fantasy land, read a Harry Potter book.

I concur

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Reply #83 - August 26, 2012, 03:54 PM

I did it myself on Google Earth and the distance from North Pole to Mecca to South Pole matched exactly with the golden ration. I don't know what to think.
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Reply #84 - August 26, 2012, 04:27 PM

Well I just tried it in google earth just now with a pinmark having same longitude as Mecca and used 180/ golden ratio - 90 as the latitude. It was 12 miles south of Mecca just as Tlaloc said. Perhaps you used a rounded figure for the golden ratio rather than exact figure.

However, I always suspected you were either trolling us or were a Muslim who thinks he can convince us to see the light by means of his favourite "miracle". I'm really suspecting so very much from the way you continue asking questions that have been answered and ignoring the problems we point out. If that's correct, either fess up and stop wasting our time, or simply go away.

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Reply #85 - August 26, 2012, 05:12 PM

Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 26, 2012, 03:54 PM
I did it myself on Google Earth and the distance from North Pole to Mecca to South Pole matched exactly with the golden ration. I don't know what to think.

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The fact that both S/N and (N+S)/S are the golden ratio is not a surprise. That is one of the well-known features of the golden ratio and works for any two numbers. Try it.
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Reply #86 - August 26, 2012, 05:31 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on August 25, 2012, 04:25 PM
Next I want to point out that the Kabah was a pagan temple long before Mo was born.

They say Adam was the first muslim and built the first temple at this spot.
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Reply #87 - August 26, 2012, 06:40 PM

Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 26, 2012, 03:54 PM
I don't know what to think.

Just go with religion then, if you can't think for yourself.

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #88 - August 26, 2012, 07:55 PM

Quote from: kereng on August 26, 2012, 05:31 PM
They say Adam was the first muslim and built the first temple at this spot.

No, Muslim tradition holds that it was Abraham that built the Kaaba there, not Adam. Though there is no mention of this in the Old Testament, or any other early Jewish sources on Abraham.

In Ibn Is'haq it says that when King Abu Kariba As'ad of Yemen converted to Judaism (about 400 AD) , he was told by two Rabbis from Medina of the Banu Qurayza tribe that it was Abraham that had built the Kaaba temple at Mecca. This Yemeni King was the first person to cover the Kaaba with a cloth. (Pages 7-9 of the English translation of Ibn Is'haq)

So we can trace the origin of this legend back to the Qurayza Jews of Medina about 200 years before the time of Muhammad. That is if Ibn Is'haq is to be believed.
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Reply #89 - August 26, 2012, 09:27 PM

Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 26, 2012, 03:54 PM
the distance from North Pole to Mecca to South Pole matched exactly with the golden ration.

so does every other place on these two pink lines:
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