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OP - October 17, 2012, 08:19 PM

Hello to all my brother ex muslims,
Every time a muslim approaches me and preaches me about Islam, i say: "i don't want to comment about your practices or your prophet. I know that as a muslim, you pray 5 times a day and cover and, and, and..for one reward. Heaven. So, what is Heaven in Islam?" Many of them appeared hesitant. But they couldnot fool me. They were blurring the translations and all the stuff.. well, as an ex-muslim i was reminding them that the Islamic paradise favors the pleasure of men with SEVENTY TWO ONE EYED BIG BREASTED AND BLOND VIRGINS. And what about the women?? aaaahh..let's see...well, they will wear bracelets and nice dresses and will look at their husbands having lots of fun but alla will make them not jealous, LOOOOL!
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Reply #1 - October 17, 2012, 10:21 PM

Yes misogyny continues into heaven apparently. I never even thought about heaven because it was hardly mentioned growing up. You are right they have a hard time answering because the "rewards" themselves were geared to please those old tribes. I mean...rivers of honey? silk? expensive jewelry? Really now .

What got me questioning from childhood was all the talk about burning for every little thing. Who wants to worship a Zeus-like dictator?

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Reply #2 - October 19, 2012, 07:16 AM

There's no lgbt in heaven, only straight, allalol is the only g's

wtf alla?
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Reply #3 - October 19, 2012, 10:48 AM

Quote from: AwayFromIslam on October 17, 2012, 08:19 PM
Hello to all my brother ex muslims,
Every time a muslim approaches me and preaches me about Islam, i say: "i don't want to comment about your practices or your prophet. I know that as a muslim, you pray 5 times a day and cover and, and, and..for one reward. Heaven. So, what is Heaven in Islam?" Many of them appeared hesitant. But they couldnot fool me. They were blurring the translations and all the stuff.. well, as an ex-muslim i was reminding them that the Islamic paradise favors the pleasure of men with SEVENTY TWO ONE EYED BIG BREASTED AND BLOND VIRGINS. And what about the women?? aaaahh..let's see...well, they will wear bracelets and nice dresses and will look at their husbands having lots of fun but alla will make them not jealous, LOOOOL!
After i realised this, i LEFT ISLAM!

And what about women who don't like dresses or jewellery and would quite happily lounge around in hoodies?
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Reply #4 - October 19, 2012, 04:36 PM

Wait a second...72 ONE eyed?! There's attraction to cyclopes in the afterlife?

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Reply #5 - October 19, 2012, 05:09 PM

Sex's main purpose is to produce kids not happiness. Happiness is what nature give us for producing kids. How many Virgin angles gave birth to child? If not what is point to have sex?

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Reply #6 - October 19, 2012, 05:21 PM

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Reply #7 - October 19, 2012, 05:55 PM

Quote from: Arman on October 19, 2012, 05:09 PM
How many Virgin angles gave birth to child? If not what is point to have sex?

That question should've been asked to the men who wrote these hadiths. They wanted only pleasure as they made sure to state these women are sterile. They're placing human emotion, desire onto a "soul" "spirit."

That is what makes it absurd...just like forbidding alcohol and saying we can drink as much as we want for eternity.

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Reply #8 - October 19, 2012, 06:20 PM

Utterly blasphemous to catholicism, where sex is for procreation and god watches the bloke orgasming.

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Reply #9 - October 20, 2012, 02:08 AM

Quote from: Arman on October 19, 2012, 05:09 PM
Sex's main purpose is to produce kids not happiness. Happiness is what nature give us for producing kids. How many Virgin angles gave birth to child? If not what is point to have sex?

I can volunteer to take your virginity if you want...just sayin

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Reply #10 - October 20, 2012, 08:33 AM

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Reply #11 - October 20, 2012, 02:33 PM

Quote from: Arman on October 19, 2012, 05:09 PM
Sex's main purpose is to produce kids not happiness. Happiness is what nature give us for producing kids. How many Virgin angles gave birth to child? If not what is point to have sex?
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Reply #12 - October 20, 2012, 03:45 PM

"In vitro fertilisation main purpose is to produce kids not happiness."

agreed.
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Reply #13 - October 23, 2012, 09:36 PM

One of my teachers actually said that women will have a similar reward, but Allah was too shy to mention it. He wanted to preserve their modesty.

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Reply #14 - October 23, 2012, 09:42 PM

True, but since hell is full of women I'd imagine that Islamic heaven is more of a sausage-fest than Comic con 2012.

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Reply #15 - October 24, 2012, 01:11 AM

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Reply #16 - October 24, 2012, 01:22 AM

Quote from: Arman on October 19, 2012, 05:09 PM
Sex's main purpose is to produce kids not happiness.

Nobody is thinking about babies when they are fucking unless they are doing it wrong.

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #17 - October 24, 2012, 01:49 AM

If sex was just for making babies we'd be like fish. The woman would drop her eggs and I'd go over and fertilize them, wham bam done. None of this 1st base, romance, orgasm crap.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #19 - October 24, 2012, 02:01 AM

Biological compulsions have no agenda, no goal, no ambition. The body doesn't want babies. It wants friction. It wants an itch scratched. It wants to rub something, penetrate something, be filled with something, suck, chew, taste, swallow something, squirt something, be stimulated, orgasm, sneeze, cough, eat, drink, piss, shit, sleep.

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Reply #20 - October 24, 2012, 09:41 AM

Quote from: Ishina on October 24, 2012, 01:22 AM
Nobody is thinking about babies when they are fucking unless they are doing it wrong.

So fucking true

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Reply #21 - October 24, 2012, 01:51 PM

Quote from: Ishina on October 24, 2012, 02:01 AM
Biological compulsions have no agenda, no goal, no ambition.

Human gets happiness from when agenda, goal and ambition gets fulfilled. Off course sex has goal and only human knows animal dosent know the agenda behind sex. Thats is why mostly animals are restricted to able do sex all seasons. Animal thinks Sex has agenda and that is only happiness.

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The body doesn't want babies.

This is absurd. It is like you want delicious food to eat but energy not required.If we assume your thoughts on sex are true then why only beautiful girls or guys we want for sex why not old peoples?

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It wants friction. It wants an itch scratched. It wants to rub something, penetrate something, be filled with something, suck, chew, taste, swallow something, squirt something, be stimulated, orgasm, sneeze, cough, eat, drink, piss, shit, sleep

Everything in sex is for babies. There are many sex toys which fulfill criteria what you said why people then want girls? Sex toys can give you friction and everything but it cant replace sex.Girls want strong men and guys want beutiful girls for sex because their children should be good. They want to pass good genes and sex is the way of doing it. Happiness is by-product

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Reply #22 - October 24, 2012, 02:17 PM

Quote from: Ishina on October 24, 2012, 01:22 AM
Nobody is thinking about babies when they are fucking unless they are doing it wrong.

True. You dont need to think about babies while fucking. Sex is meaningful game played between opposite sex. Only Sex is the game were both participant Win same time. The difference between sex and other games is other games are human made while Sex is natural and every living being play it well.

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Reply #23 - October 24, 2012, 02:50 PM

I never had a problem with heaven... it's heaven with limitless pleasures

Yeah, as a guy, having unlimited beautiful women sounds like a good idea of heaven for me.
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Reply #24 - October 24, 2012, 03:11 PM

Quote from: Arman on October 24, 2012, 02:17 PM
True. You dont need to think about babies while fucking. Sex is meaningful game played between opposite sex. Only Sex is the game were both participant Win same time. The difference between sex and other games is other games are human made while Sex is natural and every living being play it well.

That is partly true. But you are conflating genotypes and phenotypes. Sex is not just a biological act, just like eating is not just a biological act. While on a genotype level (genetically) the drive for sex is rooted in our genes' drive to reproduce themselves, the ways that sex actually happens has a lot more to do with our phenotype, i.e. the environmental factors that affect us from a very young age.

Same with food. Hunger is biological but what we eat, how we eat, when and where and with whom we eat, what we can afford to eat, what we never consider eating while for others it's normal, these are all factors having to do with the environment that we were raised in and exist in. Similarly, sexual drive at its root may be our genes wanting to replicate, but that is a tiny part of sex.

Sex has not made women happy on a historical basis, women's orgasms were considered some kind of illness until only a hundred years ago. Women couldn't decide so easily with whom to have sex and whether to get pregnant or not. They couldn't choose when their bodies would be made to be hosts to other people's desire to reproduce or need to control women.

Thus sex is not always equal to happiness. Not inherently or biologically. Sex is happiness due to environmental (aka cultural) reasons: that is, when sex is considered okay to be enjoyed for its own sake and when women (like men) have the option to enjoy it without being constantly exposed to the major risks it also carries.

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Reply #25 - October 24, 2012, 04:41 PM

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That is partly true. But you are conflating genotypes and phenotypes. Sex is not just a biological act, just like eating is not just a biological act. While on a genotype level (genetically) the drive for sex is rooted in our genes' drive to reproduce themselves, the ways that sex actually happens has a lot more to do with our phenotype, i.e. the environmental factors that affect us from a very young age.

I was talking about purpose of the Sex. Didnt I say Sex is Biological act but it is. Lets talk about purpose of activity instead of ways of performing it. May be ways are depend upon environmental things but purpose is main thing. If I Masturbate and next minute MIss universe enters in my room naked, she is useless for me for few minutes because i lost serum after masturbating. Now i dont need to explain purpose of the sex. Sex is a biological state of being You said Sex has a lot more to do with our phenotype, environmental factors. Agreed But again purpose playes huge role which is purely biological. I will not attracted towards same gender because it is against nature. I will not attracted towards child girl because it is against natural. So Both sex and its purpose are biological and natural. Environment is small part of nature, it affects but not responsible neither it is purpose.

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Same with food. Hunger is biological but what we eat, how we eat, when and where and with whom we eat, what we can afford to eat, what we never consider eating while for others it's normal, these are all factors having to do with the environment that we were raised in and exist in. Similarly, sexual drive at its root may be our genes wanting to replicate, but that is a tiny part of sex.

Let me remind you about purpose of eat. Its energy that body want. If you have just eaten your meal i dont think you can enjoy delicious food. Genes are not tiny part of the sex it is purpose and purpose cant be tiny part. What you eat, with whom you eat has nothing do with purpose. Human is developed animal, with whom you eat can you make you feel better emotionally but again it has nothing to do with purpose.

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Sex has not made women happy on a historical basis, women's orgasms were considered some kind of illness until only a hundred years ago. Women couldn't decide so easily with whom to have sex and whether to get pregnant or not. They couldn't choose when their bodies would be made to be hosts to other people's desire to reproduce or need to control women.

Its true that Women were not equally treated in the history but it is big risk to say Sex has not made women happy. Women have lots of nerves in the first few inches of the vagina she will definately enjoy during sex. There is no reason not to enjoy. Women is emotional, Mostly her emotions play huge role choosing partner. She cant decide the diffrence between Niceness and weakness. She treates niceness as weakness, She also confuse between strongness and badness. I know many girls who attracted towards bad guys only to suffer.

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They couldn't choose when their bodies would be made to be hosts to other people's desire to reproduce or need to control women.

Yea but who are responsible? Nature dosent recognize good or bad it respondes to only force. Its law of the nature weak soul should not survive. It goes for jungle too. Nature has no soft corner for deer. Strong will only survive. Your post makes me feel women were weak. I dont want to coment on that. I respect women. For me women is not sex machine but she is as Important as I am. Every part of my body and soul thankful to women. Only women is artist who can transform 1 serum into human the most powerful living being into human body.

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Thus sex is not always equal to happiness. Not inherently or biologically. Sex is happiness due to environmental (aka cultural) reasons: that is, when sex is considered okay to be enjoyed for its own sake and when women (like men) have the option to enjoy it without being constantly exposed to the major risks it also carries.

Human body cant understand other language other than happiness or sadness. These are the factors which decides our act. Nature speak to us in this language or i can say nature guide us what to do or what not to do. If there were not happiness in sex then almost all people would have hired other people for producing kids and later pay them. Nature pay us in the form of happiness for performing SEX. Its happiness that force rapist to rape women and go to jail. You confuse between biological and cultural. Sex is biological while Gender is cultural.

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Reply #26 - October 24, 2012, 04:51 PM

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Human gets happiness from when agenda, goal and ambition gets fulfilled. Off course sex has goal and only human knows animal dosent know the agenda behind sex. Thats is why mostly animals are restricted to able do sex all seasons. Animal thinks Sex has agenda and that is only happiness.

You misunderstand what I'm saying.

You are talking as though biological compulsions have complicated agenda, like there is that level of thought, reflection, conceptualisation, ambition involved in impulsive activity that even sea slugs can do. It's all about sex. Not family planning. Not carving a legacy. Not the impending sense of time or search for meaning. Not cultural or moral expectations. Not peer pressure and social guilt. That's all in the mindspace during downtime. Wanting kids is a conscious, reasoned aspiration, influenced by social and cultural factors and personal whim.

If not wanting kids is at all abnormal, it's only abnormal insofar as our culture has decreed having children before a certain acceptable age to be a "normal" practice. There is no biology going on there.

Quote from: Arman on October 24, 2012, 01:51 PM
Everything in sex is for babies. There are many sex toys which fulfill criteria what you said why people then want girls? Sex toys can give you friction and everything but it cant replace sex.

They can, and do. If everything in sex is for babies, masturbation wouldn't be satisfying. It wouldn't scratch the itch. But it does. And if everything in sex is for babies, porn wouldn't be such a massive industry. Nor would prostitution .

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Sex is meaningful game played between opposite sex.

Speak for yourself. Sex with the opposite gender might be your compulsion, but sex with the same gender is equally legitimate. Homosexual relationships are just as fulfilling as heterosexual relationships. For many people, sex isn't anything to do with gender.

Quote from: Arman on October 24, 2012, 01:51 PM
This is absurd. It is like you want delicious food to eat but energy not required.If we assume your thoughts on sex are true then why only beautiful girls or guys we want for sex why not old peoples? [...]

Girls want strong men and guys want beutiful girls for sex because their children should be good. They want to pass good genes and sex is the way of doing it. Happiness is by-product

Well, you tell me: If sex is all about making babies, why do I want to have sex with men and women? Why do I insist on birth control? Moreover, why do I actually, literally, positively, not want babies? I don't even particularly like babies. They are fine for about an hour, then I get bored. And yet, I still need sex. I want, need, crave sex. Why is this?

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #27 - October 24, 2012, 04:53 PM

Quote from: Arman on October 24, 2012, 04:41 PM
I will not attracted towards same gender because it is against nature.

Oh, you're "that guy"

Quote from: Arman on October 24, 2012, 04:41 PM
I was talking about purpose of the Sex. Didnt I say Sex is Biological act but it is. Lets talk about purpose of activity instead of ways of performing it. May be ways are depend upon environmental things but purpose is main thing. [...]

Now i dont need to explain purpose of the sex. Sex is a biological state of being You said Sex has a lot more to do with our phenotype, environmental factors. Agreed But again purpose playes huge role which is purely biological. [...]

So Both sex and its purpose are biological and natural. Environment is small part of nature, it affects but not responsible neither it is purpose.

That isn't my understanding of evolution. There is no strong need to reproduce from a biological or evolutionary perspective. There is only a need to have sex. Reproduction is a by-product of the biological imperative, it is not the imperative itself. There is no reason for a species to develop a hard-wired biological need to have children while children are being produced anyway. That's simply not how I understand evolution to work.

If you subscribe to the theory of evolution, then you must understand that human reproduction is quite a different thing from the single-cell reproduction of our probable origins. Did single-cell life have the urge to have babies? No, because they never had babies. They divided by mitosis. It is when we get to the Eukaryote that reproduction starts to be influenced by specific stimulation, i.e meiosis, which is when we start to see recombination from two separate functional organisms of the same species.

There is no purpose to this evolutionary trait. The mutation of recombination reproduction just so happens to be successful in creating offspring that are fitter, and so was naturally selected and carried on as a passive trait. You are assigning purpose to it. Assigning a goal to the base imperative. To assign purpose to it is to not understand evolution.

Sex is the base appetite. The same as thirst and hunger. This base appetite for sex on its own is sufficient for the human species to successfully reproduce. The human does not need to develop further biological impulses other than that rudimentary appetite for sex.

Quote from: Arman on October 24, 2012, 04:41 PM
Its true that Women were not equally treated in the history but it is big risk to say Sex has not made women happy. Women have lots of nerves in the first few inches of the vagina she will definately enjoy during sex. There is no reason not to enjoy. Women is emotional, Mostly her emotions play huge role choosing partner. She cant decide the diffrence between Niceness and weakness. She treates niceness as weakness, She also confuse between strongness and badness. I know many girls who attracted towards bad guys only to suffer.

Thank you for telling me what sex is about for me... and getting it wrong.

Honestly, you talk about sex like you read it in a 1950s textbook.

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Reply #28 - October 24, 2012, 05:23 PM

Quote from: Ishina on October 24, 2012, 04:51 PM
You misunderstand what I'm saying.

I am not you misunderstood the complete thread. I am talking about purpose you are talking about happiness I am talking about energy of the food and you are talking about teste.
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You are talking as though biological compulsions have complicated agenda, like there is that level of thought, reflection, conceptualisation, ambition involved in impulsive activity that even sea slugs can do. It's all about sex. Not family planning. Not carving a legacy. Not the impending sense of time or search for meaning. Not cultural or moral expectations. Not peer pressure and social guilt. That's all in the mindspace during downtime. Wanting kids is a conscious, reasoned aspiration, influenced by social and cultural factors and personal whim.

May be for you wanting kid is personal or social but nature wants to force you to do sex. Sex is a process, Kid is purpose, and happiness is a reward.
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If not wanting kids is at all abnormal, it's only abnormal insofar as our culture has decreed having children before a certain acceptable age to be a "normal" practice. There is no biology going on there.

Its social.. not important to discuss
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They can, and do. If everything in sex is for babies, masturbation wouldn't be satisfying. It wouldn't scratch the itch. But it does. And if everything in sex is for babies, porn wouldn't be such a massive industry. Nor would prostitution .
Speak for yourself. Sex with the opposite gender might be your compulsion, but sex with the same gender is equally legitimate. Homosexual relationships are just as fulfilling as heterosexual relationships. For many people, sex isn't anything to do with gender.

Masturbating is like fooling nature. Suppose you go to work and pretend to work if your boss make sure you work sincerely he will pay you. You will be payed equally. Why reward for not doing work? Its because your boss didnt realise it. Same thing Materbating is fooling to our body as well nature. We successfully fools and we get reward that is why we enjoy masturbating.
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And if everything in sex is for babies, porn wouldn't be such a massive industry. Nor would prostitution .
Speak for yourself. Sex with the opposite gender might be your compulsion, but sex with the same gender is equally legitimate. Homosexual relationships are just as fulfilling as heterosexual relationships. For many people, sex isn't anything to do with gender

Porn is massive industry because everyone intrested in sex. They want to watch, do sex. Sex is hot market. People are intrested in sex because sex gives thrill and joy, and this is the subject of porn market. You said prostitution has nothing do with babies, its true but use commen sense why people go to prostitute? isnt it happiness they want to get from Sex? and why Sex gives happiness? Does this happiness not have any purpose?

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Speak for yourself. Sex with the opposite gender might be your compulsion, but sex with the same gender is equally legitimate. Homosexual relationships are just as fulfilling as heterosexual relationships. For many people, sex isn't anything to do with gender.

Gender is cultural,Sex is biological. Sex is very wonderful Game. If you want to enjoy real thrill and happiness go Natural. Choose Natural partner. I saw many girls having sex with Horse and other animals this is mental illness. Such people needs psychiatrist, even it is legal it cant be right.

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Reply #29 - October 24, 2012, 05:31 PM

Quote from: Ishina on October 24, 2012, 04:53 PM

Honestly, you talk about sex like you read it in a 1950s textbook.

I use even older.. After all I dont talk about Sex, talking about sex dosent give me pleasure. It gives me pleasure when I do Sex..Dont try to judge me

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