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 Topic: Chivalry

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  • Chivalry
     OP - October 18, 2012, 09:28 AM
    After reading much about sexism/misogyny and it seems like the difference between sexism and misogyny seems blurry,there is no clear-cut between them but that is not the main issue for me.

    My question to feminists are :

    What do you think about chivalry?

    Do you see anything wrong with men being chivalrous.?
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #1 - October 18, 2012, 10:16 AM
    Living by an idealised mediaeval warrior code? I dunno, dude. For one thing, too much swordplay (and not the fun kind, either).
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #2 - October 18, 2012, 11:17 AM
    I view it as a mask that's been traditionally used to sugarcoat the social oppression of women, as if somehow opening the door for the lady is compensation for her being denied real equality.  In achieving this equality should naturally come the decline of chivalry but that's not to say that men ought to be arseholes for the sake of feminism, it just means that there's generally no reason to be nicer to a woman than one would be to a man in the same social circumstances and vice versa.
    Against the ruin of the world, there
    is only one defense: the creative act.

    -- Kenneth Rexroth
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #3 - October 18, 2012, 12:21 PM
    Quote from: toor on October 18, 2012, 10:16 AM
    Living by an idealised mediaeval warrior code? I dunno, dude. For one thing, too much swordplay (and not the fun kind, either).


     Cheesy
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #4 - October 18, 2012, 12:28 PM

    You should just be polite and gentlemanly to everyone anyway.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #5 - October 18, 2012, 01:57 PM
    I agree. I hold the door to men and women alike, for instance, and I would expect the same from anyone if I were carrying heavy bags or something.

    And lately I've been really annoyed with how men tend to think that because you're "with them" (not at all in a romantic way, I'm talking about friends or coworkers or family) you're not allowed to pay for anything. When it's coworkers I'm tempted to tell them "Dude, I work in HR, I know your salary and I make more than you do"  grin12
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #6 - October 18, 2012, 04:56 PM
    Quote from: billy on October 18, 2012, 12:28 PM
    You should just be polite and gentlemanly to everyone anyway.


    This! Courtesy and kindness for all people, regardless of gender, should be the norm at which people (not just men) operate on a daily basis.
    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #7 - October 18, 2012, 04:57 PM
    Also, I'm not so fond of the idea of chivalry today as it ties in with social gender constructs. Same as being "lady-like". Just be kind and everything works out okay for everyone.
    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #8 - October 18, 2012, 06:20 PM
    Quote from: billy on October 18, 2012, 12:28 PM
    You should just be polite and gentlemanly to everyone anyway.



    This. I get a tad annoyed at guys at work that insist on holding the door open for me, even though I probably turned up after they reached the door  Roll Eyes

    Then you get the other extreme where guys let the door slam into your face. Sometimes you just can't win. Grin
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #9 - October 18, 2012, 06:24 PM
    .
    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #10 - October 18, 2012, 06:39 PM
    Gentlemen are sexy.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #11 - October 18, 2012, 07:01 PM

    I held a door open for a lady in Liverpool once and she gave me a kiss on the cheek. I love scousers.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #12 - October 18, 2012, 10:42 PM
    but but but... how else will I feel like a MAN. Cry
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #13 - October 19, 2012, 01:34 AM
    Turn gay and get horny?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #14 - October 19, 2012, 01:50 AM
    Quote from: toor on October 18, 2012, 10:16 AM
    For one thing, too much swordplay (and not the fun kind, either).


    Call me.  Wink
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #15 - October 19, 2012, 02:06 AM
    Speaking of opening doors, I have a tendency to open doors with my feet. Don't really encounter this problem as people tend to give me a wide berth.  Cheesy
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #16 - October 19, 2012, 08:38 AM
    Quote from: billy on October 18, 2012, 07:01 PM
    I held a door open for a lady in Liverpool once and she gave me a kiss on the cheek. I love scousers.




    I did that to one lady at a hotel too once.She couldnt contain her excitement saying "Thank God, there is a gentleman in this building!"

    I still have a mixed view on this.I guess it depends on the situation and the kind of person im dealing with,mostly because you might annoy or irritate someone without the intention of doing so
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #17 - October 19, 2012, 08:44 AM
    If they kick you in the balls, slam the door in their face. Smiley
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #18 - October 19, 2012, 08:47 AM
    An eye for an eye, Good idea Grin
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #19 - October 19, 2012, 11:30 AM
    Quote from: Cato on October 19, 2012, 08:38 AM
    I still have a mixed view on this.I guess it depends on the situation and the kind of person im dealing with,mostly because you might annoy or irritate someone without the intention of doing so

    Don't let a few ungrateful bitches with delusions of importance make you feel bad for doing a passive nice thing. It's their bullshit hang up to carry, not yours.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #20 - October 20, 2012, 04:47 PM
    Quote from: Naerys on October 18, 2012, 01:57 PM
    . When it's coworkers I'm tempted to tell them "Dude, I work in HR, I know your salary and I make more than you do"  grin12


     Cheesy
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #21 - October 27, 2012, 04:33 PM
    Too many beta white knights in society nowadays giving women free rides in life and I'm being completely serious here.

  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #22 - October 27, 2012, 07:06 PM
    Yeah, that's the thing. I dont really believe in this Alpha or Beta thing. I think every male individual has both Alpha and Beta sides in him, there isnt one that is 100% Alpha or Beta besides it's a form of social construct to me and perpetuate a combination of patriarchal and misogynistic ideals in a society.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #23 - November 02, 2012, 11:59 PM
    Quote from: Cato on October 27, 2012, 07:06 PM
    I dont really believe in this Alpha or Beta thing.

    Well these aren't certainly genetic traits per se. It's just a way of describing someone's behaviour/personality.

    ie someone who bows down to women and lets them walk over him will be classed as a beta because he is doing this specifically because a person is a FEMALE.

    An alpha will be someone who has leadership and will not allow anyone to dominate them.
    Quote
    besides it's a form of social construct to me and perpetuate a combination of patriarchal and misogynistic ideals in a society.


    Well alpha males generally refer to men who make the right decisions,  I think beta males are the ones who are sexist as they do things for women solely because they are female and treat them differently than how they treat men.
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #24 - November 03, 2012, 12:01 AM
    Quote from: ZOMG on November 02, 2012, 11:59 PM
    Well alpha males generally refer to men who make the right decisions..........

     Cheesy Get a dictionary. Srsly.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #25 - November 03, 2012, 12:09 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 03, 2012, 12:01 AM
    Cheesy Get a dictionary. Srsly.


    brb dictionary says ''the dominant male animal or person in a group''
    brb in today's society this isn't necessarily true as it isn't like how it is in the wild
    brb I also said ''An alpha will be someone who has leadership and will not allow anyone to dominate them.'' [Was meant to ass leadership qualities]
    brb what makes someone have leadership qualities? Making the correct decisions
    brb brb

    Will now go back to raging at the abundance of pathetic beta men I see nowadays  finmad.
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #26 - November 03, 2012, 12:13 AM
    popcorn

    You put those bitches in their place. Wink
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #27 - November 03, 2012, 12:14 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 03, 2012, 12:13 AM
    popcorn

    You put those bitches in their place. Wink


    Na, just laugh at them  Cheesy

    Too beta to call them out on their behaviour  Cheesy Tongue
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #28 - November 04, 2012, 05:23 AM
    Quote from: Sir Wankalot on October 18, 2012, 06:20 PM
    This. I get a tad annoyed at guys at work that insist on holding the door open for me, even though I probably turned up after they reached the door  Roll Eyes


    Then insist on holding the door for them even though they turn up after you reach the door. Ya know just to let them know how it feels.

    Besides if you call yourself Sir Wankalot you should act accordingly.  Tongue
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Chivalry
     Reply #29 - November 04, 2012, 05:35 AM
    .
    You need to read this book.
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