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  • Hi
     OP - October 25, 2012, 05:16 PM

     Hello everybody at CEMB,

    I'm really happy to have signed up on the forum and I look forward to your comments and debates. As someone of a Somali descent, I'm constantly surrounded by religious family and friends and I rarely get a chance to engage with like minded rationalist, which results in me feeling isolated. I'm happy to be here and will be reading your posts and engaging with you as much as I can.

    Thank you. Smiley

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Re: Hi
     Reply #1 - October 25, 2012, 05:17 PM

    Hello Anubis, good to have you here  Smiley

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hi
     Reply #2 - October 25, 2012, 05:22 PM

    Thanks mate.

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Re: Hi
     Reply #3 - October 26, 2012, 05:21 PM

    Welcome! Smiley
  • Re: Hi
     Reply #4 - October 28, 2012, 12:50 AM

    Cheers loveandcookies  Smiley

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Re: Hi
     Reply #5 - October 28, 2012, 01:05 AM

    Wecome Anubis.   Smiley

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Hi
     Reply #6 - October 28, 2012, 01:33 AM

    hi welcome! hope you enjoy your time in this little sanctuary hehe  far away hug

    "In every religion there is love, yet love has no religion"

    "The intellectual runs away, afraid of drowning; the whole business of love is to drown in the sea." - Rumi
  • Hi
     Reply #7 - December 21, 2012, 04:30 AM

    Welcome walal and feel free to message.  I know how you feel!  I was driving my mom to the store the other day and she tried to make me say a prayer before starting the car wtf.    If the prayers did any good somalia would be the safest place in the world......waye idhirwaxi  gadey(she almost slapped me)  lol but I escaped muahahahaah

    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Hi
     Reply #8 - December 21, 2012, 02:29 PM

     Cheesy

    I get that constantly from my mum too. "you should pray" "praying will save you", "those who don't pray go to hell". Yeah right.

    Ps: Thanks  Smiley

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hi
     Reply #9 - December 24, 2012, 03:25 AM

     Smiley hi and welcome
  • Hi
     Reply #10 - December 24, 2012, 03:30 AM

    Welcome to the forum brother

     signwelcome

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Hi
     Reply #11 - December 26, 2012, 06:06 AM

    Thank you for the kind welcome, I appreciate it @ Nesrin, Darkrebel   thnkyu

    Z-Bo, I'm good sxb, how are you?. How's a life of godlessness treating you  Cheesy

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hi
     Reply #12 - December 26, 2012, 08:43 AM

    Soo dhawaw Anubis  parrot  Smiley
  • Hi
     Reply #13 - December 26, 2012, 09:58 AM

    Thank you sis; it's good to see and interact with rational Somalis.  Smiley

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hi
     Reply #14 - December 26, 2012, 10:23 AM

    ^Indeed it is walal Smiley We're a rare species it seems.
  • Hi
     Reply #15 - December 26, 2012, 12:08 PM

    Aren't we just.  Do your friends and family know of your rationalism?? My brother's and dad, kinda, know (they're not that religious themselves). but my mum is a real wahabi and won't accept it Cheesy

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hi
     Reply #16 - December 26, 2012, 12:46 PM

    My sister senses that I'm godless and don't care for Islam too much and my mum is a bit suspicious but I think still hopeful that I believe and am experiencing a "phase". I haven't explicitly told them but I've dropped some hints. They don't really know that I'm a kafir but they do see me as a bit unconventional. My family is quite religiius but not wahhabi or anything, lol.
  • Hi
     Reply #17 - December 26, 2012, 01:04 PM

    You know I have a 12yr old brother too and he goes to dugsi but I sense he doesn't really buy the Islamic line and I do encourage him to think rationally. And my friends, I told one of them a few years ago that I thought the whole god think was BS but I had to beat a quick retreat when he didn't take it as well as I had hoped.  Cheesy

    You know the funny thing is, I don't pray, go to mosque or do anything that would classify me as muslim; however, should I take one step further and say "the big guy is fake" then I'll be labelled a bona fide "gaal". Oh well Cheesy

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hi
     Reply #18 - December 26, 2012, 01:22 PM

    When my mum got suspicious she's like to me "maxaad gaalada ku falaysa?","what's so good about gaalnimo?" Cheesy I have to pretend to pray, and I fake fasted Ramadan too but I say some really heretical stuff that keeps my family wondering "Is she a gaal or she just messing with us?" Cheesy I try to keep my mouth shut to keep the peace these days. 

    I pretty much came out to my sister about my lack of belief but quickly retracted after she kept ranting about hell and broke down crying. Crying FFS!  mysmilie_977
  • Hi
     Reply #19 - December 26, 2012, 01:35 PM

    "maxaad gaalada ku falaysa?"

    Now where have I heard that before? Cheesy

    When I stopped praying and fasting, I did it in sequence. First the praying went (bit by bit) then the fasting. Within a year I was having an undisturbed morning sleep while my brothers were being woken and harassed to pray. I can tell you, the best sleep is one which you sleep while others pray Cheesy

    And I think your sister may came around in time.


    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hi
     Reply #20 - December 26, 2012, 01:46 PM

    Wow, we are forming a Somali gang in here  Cheesy

    Welcome Anubis!

    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
  • Hi
     Reply #21 - December 26, 2012, 02:08 PM

    @Anubis Doing pretty well bro. Being Godless is fun and stress-free. I think I'm fully adjusted to my Godless ways.

    You guys a pretty bold dropping "hints" and whatnot about your disbelief to your family. I would never dare do such a thing, no good could ever come out of it. However, my mother is actually quite suspicious. And it's not because of something that I have said or done, but more rather what I have not done. I show no interest in Islam, skip Quranic classes, she never sees me praying etc. I feel she is honestly perplexed as to why I don't pray, the most chilling thing she has said to me was, "you know, the people that don't pray are those that don't believe in God". This was definitely a strong signal that I should make a better effort in my religious rituals less I arouse her suspicions further. She gave up reminding me to pray some time ago and often tells me I should start to find my own home less my irreligiousity infects my younger siblings. That is definitely the plan as I will be graduating and moving out in about a years time. But so far they have no idea I'm not a muslim, not even close. And I will keep it that way.

    The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.

    William Arthur Ward
  • Hi
     Reply #22 - December 26, 2012, 02:08 PM

    @Minimow What nash are you?

    The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.

    William Arthur Ward
  • Hi
     Reply #23 - December 26, 2012, 02:26 PM

    @Anubis Doing pretty well bro. Being Godless is fun and stress-free. I think I'm fully adjusted to my Godless ways.


    Good to hear that  Smiley


    Quote
    You guys a pretty bold dropping "hints" and whatnot about your disbelief to your family. I would never dare do such a thing, no good could ever come out of it. However, my mother is actually quite suspicious. And it's not because of something that I have said or done, but more rather what I have not done. I show no interest in Islam, skip Quranic classes, she never sees me praying etc. I feel she is honestly perplexed as to why I don't pray, the most chilling thing she has said to me was, "you know, the people that don't pray are those that don't believe in God". This was definitely a strong signal that I should make a better effort in my religious rituals less I arouse her suspicions further. She gave up reminding me to pray some time ago and often tells me I should start to find my own home less my irreligiousity infects my younger siblings. That is definitely the plan as I will be graduating and moving out in about a years time. But so far they have no idea I'm not a muslim, not even close. And I will keep it that way.


    I guess my family has got used to it.  But make sure you can take care of yourself before you can tell your family (if that's what you wish to do eventually).

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hi
     Reply #24 - December 26, 2012, 02:31 PM

    Here is a question for all you guys:

    Do you think you'll marry another Somali and if yes, how do you plan to go about that? Will you raise your kids as Muslims or not?

    A problem I found was that, apparently a Muslim women cannot marry an unbeliever (such as me) so my choices are, either marry a non Somali girl or pretend to believe and marry a Muslim Somali girl. What are your thoughts on this??

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hi
     Reply #25 - December 26, 2012, 02:55 PM

    @Anubis You have not shared with us how you have come to ditch religion. You seem to have an interesting story, one of your parents is irreligious and suspects you to be an infidel while the other is a borderline wahabi? What an interesting dynamic, please tell.

    The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.

    William Arthur Ward
  • Hi
     Reply #26 - December 26, 2012, 03:10 PM

    I have no idea what I'll do when the time for marriage comes. I'm only 18 so I've got plenty of time and don't need to think about it too much at this stage. My parents are okay with me marrying whoever I want of whatever nationality/ethnicity/race (as long as he's Muslim of course Roll Eyes) but I know I'm certainly not going to marry a Muslim or raise my kids Muslim. I'm just gonna go with the flow and see where life takes me in that department.
    Btw where are you all from? I know were Z-bo is based, but how about you Anubis? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.
  • Hi
     Reply #27 - December 26, 2012, 03:17 PM

    A problem I found was that, apparently a Muslim women cannot marry an unbeliever (such as me) so my choices are, either marry a non Somali girl or pretend to believe and marry a Muslim Somali girl. What are your thoughts on this??

    I don't think you should have to pretend to believe with your spouse; that'd be terrible and how would the kids be raised? I mean parents I can understand because they're from another generation and are deadset in their ways but marrying a Muslim and being closeted for life is perpetuating the religion by exposing the next generation to it, and it's also forcing yourself to live a Muslim lifestyle despite the fact that you're not Muslim. That's just my two cents, everyone's different and there are some ex-Muslims here who are in relationships with Muslims and have families with them so I guess it's doable though it's not for me and I wouldn't recommend it.
  • Hi
     Reply #28 - December 26, 2012, 03:26 PM

    loooool, for some reason this question has been most on my mind since I apostatised.

    I would love to marry a Somali women, but never a Muslim, no way hosay. The problem is, where I live the Somali population is quite small, very small in fact, in comparison to Western Europe/North America that is. It would be a challenge finding a suitable personality to my liking let alone a godless one too. But on my trip to North America some years ago I found the Somali diaspora over there to be very integrated and progressive, I was actually quite impressed. Was also shocked (in a good way) to see so many unhijabed women over there, it was almost the norm. I don't know, I think I may need a trip to Canada and try my luck over there  Cool


    I've been thinking about this quite alot too. I want to marry a Somali girl, even a liberal Muslim one, but I cannot and will not partake in the indoctrination of any future children I may have. That is, to me, an unforgivable betrayal. And there are hardly any atheist or at the least, liberal sisters here in London. In fact, religion seems to be having a very strong resurgence among the Somali female population here with the first and last criteria of getting married these days being "do you have deen"?

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    @Anubis You have not shared with us how you have come to ditch religion. You seem to have an interesting story, one of your parents is irreligious and suspects you to be an infidel while the other is a borderline wahabi? What an interesting dynamic, please tell.


    My family is from Somalia and, as far as I have gathered, most people, back when there was a government there (which was secular), were not as religious as they are now. So our family was like that. My mum become very religious after we moved to Kenya but the rest of the family weren't really that interested in religion (we were/ still are, apathetic towards it). And my dad is into lots of stuff which would be considered "shirk" (budhist eastern stuff) so he's pretty open minded and doesn't really care. Though it is funny how he sometimes says "warya, tukadaa" when my mum is around Cheesy

    For me, the whole thing started to unravel when I was 12 or 13. I was only believing because I was scared of hell and had no love for allah at all. In fact, he was my biggest enemy, with his constant guilt trips Cheesy
    Also my ubber laziness helped alot. You need prayer to keep the fear alive and you can't pray if you're as lazy as me, so things kinda worked out by themselves Cheesy


    @Al-Alethia: I'm in London.

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hi
     Reply #29 - December 26, 2012, 05:59 PM

    Welcome to the forum, Anubis. signwelcome

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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