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 Topic: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole

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  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #30 - October 31, 2012, 02:08 AM

    Pepe. Cool it man. We don't want that. We fight with words.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #31 - October 31, 2012, 02:15 AM

    You're right. I was looking at it too much in an abstract way. However there is something that is refreshing about the honesty of someone who calls it like it is, especially when there is so much obfuscation over the issue.

    I guess its when people like him say what they are thinking, then the issue can be forced - it can't be brushed underneath the carpet anymore.



    If your looking at it from the perspective a debater then perhaps. But like Yezevee I'm more concerned about the social impact these douchebags have than the fact that their existence gives me a few points in a theatrical debate with apologists.

    I've find I've gotten tired/bored of the atheist/theist debate real quick. When I used to be a muslim I liked watching debates to reinforce my beliefs. But after becoming an atheist I no longer have any beliefs that need to be reinforced.  

    The only time I actually bother to debate/argue with theists is when they try to push religion into politics. (like in Canada a few years ago where the people made a big fuss cuz catholic schools are government funded so they want funding for their own faith schools too)


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #32 - October 31, 2012, 02:20 AM

    Where is he from? I'd love to see the nest YouTube video of him showing him at least being punched in the face by an apostate for calling for their deaths. Just saying.


    Pepe. Cool it man. We don't want that. We fight with words.


    Listen to Billy Pepe. I get pissed when I read about shit like this too but honestly that crackpot is not worth the jail time or fines you'd have to pay.

    Do you have a punch bag in your basement or something? It can be a good outlet for your anger.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #33 - October 31, 2012, 02:22 AM

    Where is he from? I'd love to see the nest YouTube video of him showing him at least being punched in the face by an apostate for calling for their deaths. Just saying.

     

    he makes my blood boil too.. i hear ya..
    people like that don't stand a chance ,they always end up kicking themselves in the face with their own foot..  
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #34 - October 31, 2012, 02:23 AM

    although.. if you ever wanna go bonnie and clyde on his ass..  Wink i can always dig out my checkered shirt  yes
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #35 - October 31, 2012, 02:28 AM

    Pepe. Cool it man. We don't want that. We fight with words.

    Yeah. Force feed him a thesaurus. yes

    Anyway, composite screenshot showing the whole article. cool2

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #36 - October 31, 2012, 02:36 AM

    Just put one up in the basement last week. It just bothers the shit out of me that someone can call for the death of innocents using their fucked up logic here in the western world and get away with it. It's bullying at its worst level. I think I got extra worked up because at school I was the one kids used to come to when they were being bullied and I used to take care of it for them. I feel like taking care of it now. You are right though Billy.... Fighting with words is better in the long run for us here but I will admit it will please me tremendously to see him bitchslapped at least.

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  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #37 - October 31, 2012, 02:36 AM

    I remember reading this a while ago, but it doesn't make it any less infuriating on a second reading.

    There's got to be some way that criminal charges can be pressed against him when he enters a western country. Advocating violence surely can't be considered protected speech, in even the most liberal of jurisdictions?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #38 - October 31, 2012, 02:38 AM

    I rather like how my validation app says "12 errors" down in the status bar. Cheesy

    1/ You are a fuckwit.

    2/ You have no concept of universal human rights.

    3/ You think you're ever so special.

    4/ You think (using the term extremely loosely) that your ego is worth more than other people's lives.

    5/ You are under the misapprehension that barbarism will lead to a better quality of life for all.

    6/ You undoubtedly bleat about oppression of Muslims, but are in favour of oppression of apostates.

    7/ In other words, you are a hypocrite (that's "munāfiq" to you).

    8/ You wish to kill people in defence of the declarations of an entity that you cannot even prove exists.

    9/ You would undoubtedly complain bitterly if someone who favoured a different entity wished to kill you on its behalf. See 7/.

    10/ The average domestic dog has higher standards of civilised behaviour than you do.

    11/ You are so terrified of uncertainty that you'll do anything to avoid it.

    12/ You really are a most colossal and excreable twat.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #39 - October 31, 2012, 02:40 AM

    Does this writer have a face or is he just a name on the Internet? Could he be found in person?

     

    Sounds like something Biaxident would say.  I think he's left the forum for good though..

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #40 - October 31, 2012, 03:03 AM

    although.. if you ever wanna go bonnie and clyde on his ass..  Wink i can always dig out my checkered shirt  yes


    C'mon then Juanita don't forget your bandana

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    There's such a thing as sheep in wolfs clothing... religious fanatics
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #41 - October 31, 2012, 03:08 AM



    Anyway, composite screenshot showing the whole article. cool2

    where did you get that png file from? I can not locate that original file at his website . I think That Rascal replaced that with this   Why Did Ali Burn Some Apostates? . the fool is conveniently hiding behind that son in-law of Muhammad .. Ali..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #42 - October 31, 2012, 03:11 AM

    I made the png myself. That's what "composite screenshot" means. Stacked up several shots in Photoshop, cropped the excess headers, etc. Fused layers together in the right order. Smiley

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #43 - October 31, 2012, 03:48 AM

    I feel like taking care of it now. You are right though Billy.... Fighting with words is better in the long run for us here but I will admit it will please me tremendously to see him bitchslapped at least.

    You're not wrong. I want to go all Dexter on him.

    But like Audre Lorde says "The master's tools will never dismantle the masters house."

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #44 - October 31, 2012, 12:54 PM

    Yeah. Force feed him a thesaurus. yes

    Anyway, composite screenshot showing the whole article. cool2


    Nice one  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #45 - October 31, 2012, 08:24 PM

    You can do something similar here: http://browsershots.org/

    That will make you a full height shot of most pages. Only remembered it just now, because I haven't used it for ages. Just pick one browser instead of all of them. Speeds things up.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #46 - November 01, 2012, 11:31 AM

    Thats great thanks, bookmarked

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #47 - November 04, 2012, 12:38 PM

    I have been listening to some fool say that its justified because

    1. muslim women cannot marry non muslim men
    2. some non muslim men may pretend to be muslim in order to marry muslimahs
    3. this is 'rape by deception'
    4. harsh punishments for leaving islam prevent this


  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #48 - November 06, 2012, 12:49 AM


    Just putting this here for the record - from 2010 on IslamOnline:

    ++++++


    Why is the apostate to be executed in Islam?

    01/02/2010 03:10:09 PM GMT

    As a non Muslim, I find myself Intrigued and attracted to your faith. However, I find it difficult to comprehend how a man can be sentenced to death for speaking( Salman Rushdie). I would have thought that we as humans do not have that right to make those decisions, only god can?

    Praise be to Allaah. 

    We thank you for your confidence in us and for sending this question to us, and we appreciate your being intrigued by our beliefs and your eagerness to find out the answer. We welcome you as a visitor and reader and learner.

    What stood out from your letter is that you are impressed with the religion of Islam. This is a good sign for us and for you. We are happy for our religion to reach people like you who are seeking for the truth. Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that this religion would reach all places on this earth. It was narrated that Tameem al-Daari said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘This matter (i.e., Islam) will certainly reach everywhere that night and day reach, and Allaah will not leave any house or tent i.e., all dwellings, in towns and in the desert, but Allaah will cause this religion to enter it, and some people will be honoured because of it by converting and others will be humiliated because of it for refusing to embrace it, and they will be ruled by the Muslims, an honour which Allaah will bestow on Islam and a humiliation which He will inflict on kufr (disbelief).”

    (Narrated by Ahmad, 16344; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 3).

    In your case, your admiration for Islam will motivate you to find out what this pure monotheistic religion teaches, and how it is in accordance with sound human nature and common sense. We advise you to avoid completely and preconceptions that may influence you and take your time in reading about the teachings of the Islamic religion. Perhaps you could read material on this site about Islam, such as questions no. 219, 21613, 20756, 10590.

    With regard to your question, “However, I find it difficult to comprehend how a man can be sentenced to death for speaking. I would have thought that we as humans do not have that right to make those decisions, only god can” – what you say is correct, because no-one has the right to condemn another person to death without evidence from the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    The ruling of execution because of a word that somebody utters is what the Muslim scholars call al-riddah (apostasy). What is apostasy and what constitutes apostasy? What is the ruling on the apostate (al-murtadd)?

    1 – Riddah (apostasy) refers to when a Muslim becomes a disbeliever by saying a clear statement to that effect, or by uttering words which imply that (i.e., which imply kufr or disbelief), or he does something that implies that (i.e., an action which implies kufr or disbelief).

    2 – What constitutes apostasy

    The matters which constitute apostasy are divided into four categories:

    (a)   Apostasy in beliefs, such as associating others with Allaah, denying Him, or denying an attribute which is proven to be one of His attributes, or by affirming that Allaah has a son. Whoever believes that is an apostate and a disbeliever.

    (b)  Apostasy in words, such as insulting Allaah or the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    (c)  Apostasy in actions, such as throwing the Qur’an into a filthy place, because doing that shows disrespect towards the words of Allaah, so it is a sign that one does not believe. Other such actions include prostrating to an idol or to the sun or moon.

    (d)  Apostasy by omission, such as not doing any of the rituals of Islam, or turning away from following it altogether.

    3 – What is the ruling on the apostate?

    If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims. 

    The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion).

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)

    See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180.

    Thus it will be clear to you that execution of the apostate is something that is commanded by Allaah, when he commanded us to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority”

    al-Nisa’ 4:59                                                           

    And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has commanded us to execute the apostate as in the hadeeth quoted above: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”

    It may need some time for you to be convinced about this matter, and for you to think about it. Perhaps you think that if a person follows the truth and enters into it and embraces the one true religion which Allaah has enjoined, then we allow him to leave it quite easily whenever he wants and to utter the words of kufr (disbelief) that put him outside of Islam, so he can reject Allaah, His Messenger, His Books and His religion, and there is no punishment as deterrent, how will that affect him and others who enter the religion?

    Do you not see that this would make the one true religion, that everyone should follow, like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth.


    Moreover, this is not someone who has never known the truth and practiced it and worshipped in accordance with it; rather this is a person who has known the truth, and practiced the religion and done the rituals of worship, so the punishment is no greater than he deserves. Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person?

    In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslims’ ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God.

     May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. We thank you once again.

     Peace be upon those who follow true guidance.


    Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

    http://islamonline.com/news/articles/3/Why-is-the-apostate-to-be-executed-in-Islam-.html


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #49 - November 06, 2012, 01:46 AM

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    Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person?


    What truth Huh?  Islam the religion of terrorism?
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #50 - November 06, 2012, 08:50 AM

    I have been listening to some fool say that its justified because

    1. muslim women cannot marry non muslim men
    2. some non muslim men may pretend to be muslim in order to marry muslimahs
    3. this is 'rape by deception'
    4. harsh punishments for leaving islam prevent this


    This is rich.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #51 - November 06, 2012, 12:33 PM

    Seriously makes my blood boil this does. Both authors need to be made to bite the curb and then stomped in the back of the head. We should take a fatwa out on these fuckers and see how they like the taste of their own medicine.

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  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #52 - November 06, 2012, 12:40 PM


    Lets be cool Pepe, lets keep it cool and Gandhian  Smiley

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #53 - November 06, 2012, 02:36 PM

    Gandhi Shmandhi!

    Hey Billy here is a more sensible reaction. Why don't the CEMB as a group sue these guys? Sue them for promoting death threats and inciting violence on apostates. Shit even due them for mental anguish or something like that. Use this opportunity to show the public what this filth is promoting. Even if we lose we win the hearts and minds of the public.

    You're a good bloke Billy. Sorry for losing it on here sometimes and I know you need to do the sensible thing as a moderator.

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    Believe in yourself
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    Strike me down and I'll just become another nail in your coffin
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    There's such a thing as sheep in wolfs clothing... religious fanatics
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #54 - November 06, 2012, 02:40 PM

    The only people to benefit materially from such litigation would be lawyers. And some would question such a wide definition of personhood.

    The best we can hope for is to ridicule such people as thoroughly as possible. Make it an aspect of social media strategy, if you will. In these days, where online infamy spreads faster than wildfire, it's as good a way of hitting them where it hurts as you're likely to get.
  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #55 - November 06, 2012, 05:42 PM

    Gandhi Shmandhi!

    Hey Billy here is a more sensible reaction. Why don't the CEMB as a group sue these guys? Sue them for promoting death threats and inciting violence on apostates. Shit even due them for mental anguish or something like that. Use this opportunity to show the public what this filth is promoting. Even if we lose we win the hearts and minds of the public.

    You're a good bloke Billy. Sorry for losing it on here sometimes and I know you need to do the sensible thing as a moderator.


    That might be a good idea - IslamOnline is based in the middle east though.

    You do point out something though - people are constrained by laws on incitement in the UK. I think Islamists are aware of this when the subject is brought up and speak accordingly.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #56 - November 06, 2012, 05:44 PM

    The only people to benefit materially from such litigation would be lawyers. And some would question such a wide definition of personhood.

    The best we can hope for is to ridicule such people as thoroughly as possible. Make it an aspect of social media strategy, if you will. In these days, where online infamy spreads faster than wildfire, it's as good a way of hitting them where it hurts as you're likely to get.


    Good point


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Oh now it makes sense why we should be killed! Thanks for clearing it up asshole
     Reply #57 - November 06, 2012, 08:17 PM

    Gandhi Shmandhi!

    Hey Billy here is a more sensible reaction. Why don't the CEMB as a group sue these guys? Sue them for promoting death threats and inciting violence on apostates. Shit even due them for mental anguish or something like that.

    I think you'd find that the courts would be too scared to set a legal precedent for suing a religion for the content of its texts. If the same thing was said without the backing of "one of the world's great faiths" the courts might go for it, but religion is protected. It's more important to protect traditional ideologies than it is to protect people affected by them. The courts have your best interests at heart. Take the blue pill, kthnxbai.


    The best we can hope for is to ridicule such people as thoroughly as possible. Make it an aspect of social media strategy, if you will. In these days, where online infamy spreads faster than wildfire, it's as good a way of hitting them where it hurts as you're likely to get.

    It's also cheap. Wink Now one could, if one was so inclined, get a legal opinion on why a court case would probably fail, and include that in one's social media strategy.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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