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  • Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     OP - November 04, 2012, 07:04 AM

    So much hilarity is found herein (My bolding, and my comments within are italicized):


    Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam

    This past week, Whitman College received the visit of Dr. Amina Wadud, a Qur'anic  scholar and leader in Islamic feminism. Dr. Wadud visited classes, lectured and led a workshop on exploring Islamic texts with a gender focus. Wadud's main message was this: In order to create justice in gender in Islam, there is no need to stray from Islam (yeah because if you do, well you'll get killed here or at least roast in hell, according to Islam). Rather, there needs to be a reevaluation of what Islam is, and a realization that unfair gender practices come from culture and world events, not what the Islamic religion actually entails.

    In her lecture on Wednesday, Wadud outlined the woman's movement in Islam and her work aiding these efforts. Beginning with a traditional Dua'a that serves to remember the presence of Allah in all actions, Wadud proceeded to briefly describe her life before becoming the scholar that she is today.

    Wadud was born to Christian parents. She and her family were active in the Civil Rights Movement, and referenced her experience marching in D.C. with Martin Luther King. Later in her young adult life, she became a practicing Buddhist. From this eclectic background prefacing her conversion to Islam, Wadud said she took away the important notion that God and spirituality is manifested in many diverse ways. She also warned of the miscommunications in discussion of religion: different people saying the same words can mean very different things. Wadud provided her definition of Islam: "God is one."  All creation is harmonious, regardless of gender.

    Wadud then began to discuss the tenets of feminism in Islam. There are, of course, many things that are key to this movement that people don't see on the surface. She underlined the importance of understanding the multiple areas and perspectives that broad topic includes: one must distinguish between Muslim culture, Islamic texts, and Islamic law; there is also a difference between Muslim secular feminism, Islamism, and Islamic feminism, which she deemed the three categories of the women's movement in Islam.

    She also spoke about the generally misguided understanding of Islam, even within the Muslim community itself (don't you LOVE it when converts tell born and raised Muslims how much we just don't understand Islam??). What people think of normally when they conceptualize Islam is conservative Islam: a strict and rigid idea of the Islamic religion that doesn't have much room to change (Hmm actually that would be called Islam, itself a strict and rigid idea that is not open to change in itself, read its founding scriptures will ya?). Wadud emphasizes that people need to leave this idea of Islam behind to unhinge themselves from these static notions and allow for change in Islam not in the raw religion (gee, what is the "raw religion"? And wtf does changing Islam mean if not the "raw religion"??), but of what has come to be considered Islam (Yeah by Islamic texts, scholars, clerics, preachers, and Muslims, that's all). This underlines the need to distinguish between evolved culture and what Islam itself originally entailed in its texts and laws (Yeah, only let's just pretend those original texts fell perfectly in line with modern, secular notions of gender equality and other liberal things first).

    This is where her work as a Qur'anic scholar and her dedication to feminism in Islam overlap. Wadud argues that within Islamic text are the tools to break definitions and confinements of Islam, and work towards progress in the women's movement.

    Wadud explained that within Islamic texts, women are certainly not second to men (Well, except for in all the Quranic verses and Hadiths where they are deemed to be so). Directly from the text, Wadud showed that woman are defined as the moral agents of Allah; they have a direct relation to God (I'm guessing she cherry picked that... it's okay for Muslims to take the Quran "out of context" you see, when trying to promote the super wonderful awesomeness of Islam). In the Qur'an's ultimate objective, she explained, women and men were both (equally) addressed (Cheesy). In her evaluation of Tawhid, a tenet of Islam that embodies the whole realm of living, Wadud finds gender equality, and the inherent right to reform, something that allows the deviation from conservative Islam that she says has been holding the progression of Islam back.

    So if gender inequality didn't originate from Islam itself, where did it begin? Wadud explains that this is largely due to the absence of women in the rise of Islam and in the creation of the Islamic canon (Yes, nothing is wrong with Islam except for everything about it). This began the subdued role of women in all of Islamic culture. Then, when colonialism breached Islamic nations (For the hundreds of years before European colonialism, when Islamic colonialism was being waged across South Asia, South East Asia and Northern Africa, I am sure that did not count as "colonialism"), women didn't receive the same concessions as men. This inequality from an outside force served as a rude awakening, triggering Islam's women's movement (Hahahah what?? WHERE?? Grin). The global awareness that emerged in this period of history showed realities other than their own, underlining the inequalities women were suffering from, and how their position in society could be better. It also provided people with a pluralism that allowed the capacity to understand people different from themselves, which entails an ability to evaluate one's own ideas as well, and realize their flaws. This self-reflection and new understanding of possibilities in other parts of the world caused women in Islamic society to begin standing up for change.

    Now the women's movement faces the challenge of getting people to break from the constricting idea of Islam that people share. Wadud argues, then, for a "Gender Jihad", a fresh, reevaluated look at gender within Islam, and a reformation of what Islam is in itself. Islamic feminists  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy (I get "Muslim feminists" sure: women who want to work towards women's rights who also happen to be Muslim, but Islamic feminism is a joke) are now working on acquiring their own feminism, breaking from the term's possession by the West (Yes because "The West" has been keeping the idea of women having equal rights under lock and chain, and people everywhere are interrogating what it means to be a Muslim. Wadud's work enables Muslims to begin to distinguish between constructed Islamic culture and Islam as an entity in itself, as people begin to reform what Islam really means for women.



    It is this kind of blatant revisionism and hypocrisy that is the most pathetic thing about certain types of Muslim "reformists". Sure, try and change Islam, but be honest, at least, and stop fucking pretending that the rest of us are illiterate or stupid and can't look up shit for ourselves and find out exactly what is in the Islamic texts.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests ‘Gender Jihad’ within Islam
     Reply #1 - November 04, 2012, 07:45 AM

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8H_HyFW6PM


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgk5JFGUkRw


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wWdb_QdGQs

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #2 - November 04, 2012, 07:46 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0ZfMEJjG8



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN492wsm2fY



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5gKlpqpvpU



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxT9A7RmyME

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #3 - November 04, 2012, 07:49 AM

    Hippified Buddhified "Muslims" pretending that Islam is a hippie, buddhist utopia  Cheesy

    Real easy to do when you're in a secular country and not actually being ruled by Islamic laws.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #4 - November 04, 2012, 01:26 PM

    Quote
    Hippified Buddhified "Muslims" pretending that Islam is a hippie, buddhist utopia  


    +1

    Lets throw them in Pakistan. See how long they'll last in that utopia. Grin

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #5 - November 04, 2012, 01:30 PM

    My mom is one of those stupid muslimahs who believe that men should have greater control than women.

    She's already tells my sister whenever she complains bout something that  "muslim women" should not be allowed to constantly wine bout stuff cuz they have the household to handle.

    Me" well men shouldn't wine and complain excessively either"

    Mom " No it's different for the man"

    As a man it really boils my blood cuz this type of thinking lets douchebag type husbands off the hook. Can't imagine how infuriating it must be for a woman to hear something like that.

    In my mind I was like

     da finga

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #6 - November 04, 2012, 01:39 PM

    What is it with converts thinking they are 'experts' in their new religion after reading a few books? It always seems like they are out to desperately prove something, probably to themselves.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #7 - November 04, 2012, 02:23 PM

    My mom is one of those stupid muslimahs who believe that men should have greater control than women.

    She's already tells my sister whenever she complains bout something that  "muslim women" should not be allowed to constantly wine bout stuff cuz they have the household to handle.

    Me" well men shouldn't wine and complain excessively either"

    Mom " No it's different for the man"

    As a man it really boils my blood cuz this type of thinking lets douchebag type husbands off the hook. Can't imagine how infuriating it must be for a woman to hear something like that.

    In my mind I was like

     da finga

    Oh common leave the moms..dads and old folks alone ... take care of your little  sister TheDarkRebel .. help her out.. put her is to best possible college...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #8 - November 04, 2012, 03:50 PM

    ^

    You can't leave the old folks alone because they are the source of the homophobia, sexism and prejudice that is rampant in islamic culture.

    And they are the ones that indoctrinate that prejudice into their kids.

    We'll leave the old folks alone when they learn to grow up and leave everyone else alone.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #9 - November 04, 2012, 04:16 PM


    Great work allat, enjoyed reading your takedown.

    You must have read Dr Kecia Ali? She seems to be worth reading.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sexual-Ethics-Islam-Reflections-Jurisprudence/dp/1851684565/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marriage-Slavery-Early-Islam-Kecia/dp/0674050592/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #10 - November 04, 2012, 04:28 PM


    I'm feeling your exasperation with liberal apologia like the ones Amina Wadud makes allat. And you almost feel bad for critiquing them, because they are taking a lot of abuse for their stance.

    She left Christianity and left Buddhism. She probably didn't receive any abuse for doing so. It was all part of the conscience being free. She makes a simple humanist critique of Islam and she catches hell. Wonder how much of her remaining inside Islam is due to fear.

    One day someone of her profile is going to apostate and talk about it.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #11 - November 04, 2012, 04:32 PM

    Quote
    (Yes, nothing is wrong with Islam except for everything about it)


     Grin

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #12 - November 04, 2012, 04:34 PM

    allat, do you think the Amina Wadud's are part of the problem? I would probably refrain from saying that, but I can see that from a certain angle they provide a great shield from looking at the problem with Islam itself.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #13 - November 04, 2012, 04:37 PM

    I feel absolutely nothing bad in critiquing her or this type of watered-down Islam. First of all because any idea is open to critique. She and everyone else are free to critique me also. And I am free to critique back.

    Secondly, it is this sugar coated, hippified dressing up of Islam as an innocuous little buddhist-esque fairy tale that enables the extremists to get away with everything they do, and that gives white liberals an excuse to become apologists for Islam.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #14 - November 04, 2012, 04:38 PM

    Hippified Buddhified "Muslims" pretending that Islam is a hippie, buddhist utopia  Cheesy

    Real easy to do when you're in a secular country and not actually being ruled by Islamic laws.


    This is so true.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #15 - November 04, 2012, 04:40 PM

    Secondly, it is this sugar coated, hippified dressing up of Islam as an innocuous little buddhist-esque fairy tale that enables the extremists to get away with everything they do, and that gives white liberals an excuse to become apologists for Islam.


    I'm coming round to that point of view too.

    They really do provide covering fire - wittingly or unwittingly.

    Sure we should be on their side because they face of the ire of reactionaries (and mainstream believers who might otherwise be called moderate) and so your instinct is to defend them.

    But their arguments are so specious and even dishonest.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #16 - November 04, 2012, 05:21 PM

    I see your point, allat. Believe me. Even though I used to be one of these hippified so called "reformists" before I left islam. But its also about the lesser of two evils, allat. I would rather "cheer" people like Wadud than lets say Tariq Ramadan.

    My opinion is that we as apostates should actually support (and criticize) people like Wadud.

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #17 - November 04, 2012, 05:30 PM


    But their arguments are so specious and even dishonest.


    Some of them are, billy. And not to act all arrogant, but I know what I am talking about. I know about most of these so called reformists (and the few which are true reformists) and their ideas. People like the late Nasr Abu Zayd and Farag Foja wasnt dishonest. The same with Sudanese thinker Mohamoud Mohammed Taha (and his student, law professor Abdullahi Ahmed An Naim). Some of them are genuine in their criticism of traditional islam and their wish for an Islamic reform. But yes, at the end of the day its Sisyphean work.

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #18 - November 04, 2012, 06:03 PM


    I do feel uncomfortable criticising people like Amina Wadud, but as allat shows with her response and comments on the article, it sometimes demands to be critiqued.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #19 - November 04, 2012, 08:50 PM

    It is this kind of blatant revisionism and hypocrisy that is the most pathetic thing about certain types of Muslim "reformists". Sure, try and change Islam, but be honest, at least, and stop fucking pretending that the rest of us are illiterate or stupid and can't look up shit for ourselves and find out exactly what is in the Islamic texts.

    Funnily enough I just re-read Irshad Manji's The Trouble with Islam  the other day. When I originally read it, years ago, I thought it was great. This time I was struck by how hopelessly naive and evasive and innaccurate a lot of it was (although she still does make some great points). In her own words:

    Quote from: The Trouble with Islam
    What's that? I should understand the context of the Koran's violent passages? Let me assure you: I've read the scholarship that explains these verses "in their context", and I think there's a fancy dance of evasion going on. It's not choreographed by conspiracy, just by a deep-seated assumption that the Koran is perfect, so there must be perfectly valid reasons for the hate it often preaches.

    IMO this is common to most religious reformers, to a greater or lesser degree. They all start from the position of wanting, desperately, to cling to their current identity. They cannot bring themselves to discard the texts of the religion they want to cling to, yet they know that said texts conflict with their inner standards of decency and common sense. This forces them to be, basically, fucking dishonest. They may do it with the best of intentions. They may be wonderfully nice people. They're still being shifty though.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #20 - November 04, 2012, 09:39 PM

    I see your point, allat. Believe me. Even though I used to be one of these hippified so called "reformists" before I left islam. But its also about the lesser of two evils, allat. I would rather "cheer" people like Wadud than lets say Tariq Ramadan.

    My opinion is that we as apostates should actually support (and criticize) people like Wadud.


    I agree that people like Wadud or Manji are the "lesser" of the evils that Islam manifests itself as.

    I have spent most of my apostasy feeling a sort of kinship with reformists, precisely for the reasons you and billy gave: they are at least not as bad as the wahabbi types, they are hated by the same people who hate apostates, they at least want Islam to be better etc. etc.

    But I have come to realize that this is a futile and dishonest thing for me to do. At the end of the day, no Muslim reformist has actually made a dent in Islam, no Muslim reformist has changed the vast, vast majority of Muslims' minds about anything, no Muslim reformist has ever, NOT ONCE, stood up for apostates' rights, openly and publicly.

    What Muslim "reformists" of this kind (the ones who are being dishonest about Islam and sugar coating it to make white people feel protective of Islam) are actually doing, is making justifications for the more literalist and extremist Muslims. They provide cover for the mainstream Muslim who, while practicing the more traditional, conservative brands of Islam, can always shove the name of Manji or Wadud in the faces of anyone who would dare to challenge Islamic dogma and Muslim identity politics.

    What the dishonest types of reformers are doing is acting as the soft covering to the hard core Islamists, they are the band playing on while the Titanic sinks. Just because they are slightly less unpleasant than the heavy handed beardos, does not mean they are actually doing anything to help the situation, and in fact may be making things worse by making everyone more complacent.


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #21 - November 04, 2012, 09:46 PM

    Funnily enough I just re-read Irshad Manji's The Trouble with Islam  the other day. When I originally read it, years ago, I thought it was great. This time I was struck by how hopelessly naive and evasive and innaccurate a lot of it was (although she still does make some great points).


    This is the thing. I too have supported the reformists. But they are playing a losing game. They are dishonest about Islam and thus they will never win over most Muslims whose Imams tell them to not listen to the reformists. The reformists are lying about what is in the scriptures, the scriptures need to be laid bare for all to see, the reformers want to filter the scriptures for everyone. That is not going to work, especially in this era with information (including primary texts of all religions) easily, quickly and freely available to all.

    IMO this is common to most religious reformers, to a greater or lesser degree. They all start from the position of wanting, desperately, to cling to their current identity. They cannot bring themselves to discard the texts of the religion they want to cling to, yet they know that said texts conflict with their inner standards of decency and common sense. This forces them to be, basically, fucking dishonest. They may do it with the best of intentions. They may be wonderfully nice people. They're still being shifty though.


    Yes exactly, I am sure they are nice people. But they can not hide the real face of Islam behind their own personal niceness. Not from other Muslims, not from non-Muslims who are not bent over with liberal guilt, and definitely not from Ex-Muslims.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #22 - November 04, 2012, 10:47 PM

    ...no Muslim reformist has ever, NOT ONCE, stood up for apostates' rights, openly and publicly.

    Was wondering about this. Took a look at Manji's site, and this is the only thing the site search pulled up for apostasy.

    Quote
    It wouldn't be the first time. In 2006, an Afghan convert to Christianity faced charges of apostasy. What struck me about the case was not that mullahs called for his execution, or that judges obliged them, but that the exemplar of a modern Afghanistan -- the suave and sophisticated Karzai -- didn't publicly challenge their retrograde interpretation of Islam.

    All he had to do was quote from the Qur'an, which flat-out states "there is no compulsion in religion" (2:256). Full stop and khalas.

    She links to wiki.answers as her backup, which quotes Rifat Hassan (who is obviously going to trump al Azhar). Anyway, she is standing up there, more or less. Not sure what she has or hasn't said in public speaking.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #23 - November 04, 2012, 10:52 PM

    I stand corrected. There is that one instance, I suppose, buried in her website, talking about apostasy punishments, followed by the old "no compulsion in islam" cherry picked nonsense.

    Doesn't really count in my book, as it is still based on a dishonest view of islam, but still manji has guts bigger than the majority of muslim reformist types out there, even if they are still miniscule compared to what is needed.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #24 - November 05, 2012, 12:34 AM

    What is going on with Amina Wadud, psychologically?

    She left Christianity, converted to Buddhism. She left Buddhism and converted to Islam.

    She changed religion two times without having death threats made to her, without there being any code or attitude that she deserved to die for leaving them. She could have remained in the fold of Christianity and Buddhism and criticised what she disliked about them without being called a kaffir, a deviant, a subversive. In fact she would have been part of a very lively liberal stream of Christianity or Buddhism that would value and accept the legitimacy of her viewpoint.

    And yet she converted into the most strict and intolerant of religions in the modern world, and her critical faculties that enabled her to dissent from other religions, become paralysed and are served in apologising for that religion.

    What is it about Islam that freezes minds and paralyses dissent? Its fascinating.

    And I stand by what I said too - one day someone like Amina Wadud with a high profile will apostasize and will write and talk about it publically.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #25 - November 05, 2012, 12:36 AM

    Are these guys on a rescue mission? They view themselves on a heroic narrative, rescuing 'pure' Islam from itself?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #26 - November 05, 2012, 12:38 AM

    Maybe she wanted something to defend, and wasn't happy until she found it?  Huh?

    ie: tried speaking out in another religion = not enough controversy = move to Islam = Bingo!

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #27 - November 05, 2012, 12:41 AM

    Are these guys on a rescue mission? They view themselves on a heroic narrative, rescuing 'pure' Islam from itself?

    That seems to be their rationale. For instance, Manji bangs on about rescuing "Islam" (wot r orsum) from "desert Islam" (wot r narrrr_ssstttee). Because, y'know, Islam (the good one) didn't have anything to do with deserts, right? parrot

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #28 - November 05, 2012, 12:44 AM

    Uh yeah... it started in the desert...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqb-1Lf4QX4

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #29 - November 05, 2012, 12:45 AM



    I haven't really read her most recent work or kept up with her, but when I first encountered Manji I kind of had a sneaking suspicion that she isn't really a Muslim deep down inside her. She identifies the flaws and denials so accurately that it struck me that she might be just staying inside the fold so that she has the 'legitimacy' she needed for a platform.

    The truth is that the wider culture does seem reluctant to give a voice to an ex-Muslim critique of Islam. It seeks out 'reformers' from within Islam. I think even non Muslim society is frightened of ex Muslims.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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