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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #30 - November 05, 2012, 12:50 AM
    Quote from: billy on November 05, 2012, 12:45 AM
    I haven't really read her most recent work or kept up with her, but when I first encountered Manji I kind of had a sneaking suspicion that she isn't really a Muslim deep down inside her.

    In her early stuff she admitted that she was just barely hanging onto Islam by the tips of her fingers. I think she genuinely does want to find some way of reconciling Islam with how she thinks she (and others) should be able to live.

    But yeah, I haven't bothered keeping up with her newer stuff. There just doesn't seem to be much point.
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #31 - November 05, 2012, 12:54 AM
    Oh and what's with converts and Arabic names? It's like New Agers who think they're suddenly more spiritual if some bugger gives them an Indian name. Newsflash: you're still Joe Bloggs. Deal. Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #32 - November 05, 2012, 12:56 AM
    Islam is the new Hinduism, it seems, for some white people. In the 70s they joined Ashrams, today they join the Ummah. Same thing... something exotic, something different, something exciting, something controversial.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #33 - November 05, 2012, 12:56 AM
    I heard that Irshad Manji is a lesbian. Try finding an islamic theologian that will we willing to accept that as legitimate.

    Honestly if these reformers want to have any influence they are gonna have to start a new sect and then attract current muslims into that.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #34 - November 05, 2012, 01:05 AM
    Quote from: allat on November 05, 2012, 12:56 AM
    Islam is the new Hinduism, it seems, for some white people. In the 70s they joined Ashrams, today they join the Ummah. Same thing... something exotic, something different, something exciting, something controversial.


    But white people still become interested in Buddhism, Hare Krishna, Yoga etc etc

    Islam hasn't replaced that.

    There probably is some overlap in terms of a section of people who approach Islam with those westerners who approach out of curiosity Indian / East Asian spirituality.

    Islam is different though. The overlap resides in the idealised Sufi angle. But then they go from the (relatively) benign occasional joint of Sufism to the mind destroying crack pipe (or crystal meth - take your pick) of 'Islam' unbending, unyielding, which is the absolute inverse of what that whole curiosity towards different ways of seeing things that underlies the whole Buddhism / Hindu philosophical curiosity.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #35 - November 05, 2012, 01:19 AM
    Well I think a lot of them come for the Sufi panentheistic teachings, and then, those who become apologists, end up indulging their Saviour complexes, since Islam is so victimized nowadays, y'know.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #36 - November 05, 2012, 01:21 AM
    Quote from: billy on November 05, 2012, 01:05 AM
    But white people still become interested in Buddhism, Hare Krishna, Yoga etc etc

    I've met plenty of them. Mind you, yoga doesn't really fit because (despite the wonky theories behind some of it) it's primarily a physical practice rather than a religion. IOW, it can actually be good for your health. It's sorta like callisthenics for Hindus on Valium.


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    Islam is different though. The overlap resides in the idealised Sufi angle. But then they go from the (relatively) benign occasional joint of Sufism to the mind destroying crack pipe (or crystal meth - take your pick) of 'Islam' unbending, unyielding..........

    Not in all cases. Take the ex-neo-Nazi twit mentioned in the other thread today. He went straight for the crack pipe. There have been similar cases over here, although AFAIK none of them involved neo-Nazis. Generally it's the "disaffected youth" types who just want to hate something apart from themselves. If they can have a God-given right to do this, well that just totally rocks.
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #37 - November 05, 2012, 01:22 AM
    Quote from: allat on November 05, 2012, 01:19 AM
    Well I think a lot of them come for the Sufi panentheistic teachings, and then, those who become apologists, end up indulging their Saviour complexes, since Islam is so victimized nowadays, y'know.

    *cough*armstrong*ahem*
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #38 - November 05, 2012, 01:26 AM
    ^ Yup Grin

    And then you have the Yvonne Ridley types and whats-her-name Tony Blair's sister in law or whatever, who seem to just want to stick it to daddy somehow and donning a hijab and working for the Iranian govt (in the case of Ridley) seem like the way to stick it to daddy good.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #39 - November 05, 2012, 01:31 AM
    Yes there are lots who go straight for the crack pipe. What I meant is the likes of Amina Wadud who are obviously progressive in their instincts and ideas but are locked in this fort of the reactionary and have it as their mission to turn the fort into a cross between a Buddhist temple and the humanities department of a liberal University.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #40 - November 05, 2012, 01:33 AM
    Quote from: allat on November 05, 2012, 01:26 AM
    ^ Yup Grin

    And then you have the Yvonne Ridley types and whats-her-name Tony Blair's sister in law or whatever, who seem to just want to stick it to daddy somehow and donning a hijab and working for the Iranian govt (in the case of Ridley) seem like the way to stick it to daddy good.


    We could fill a whole book on this subject  Grin
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #41 - November 05, 2012, 01:34 AM
    Islam cannot fulfill the same needs as Hinduism or Buddhism. So converts definitly don't convert to Islam looking for spiritual enlightenment.

    Islam doesn't give a shit about spirituality. It's a completely materialistic religion where your whole purpose in life is to obey the dictator so he gives you some booze, personal hookers and mansions in the afterlife ( and we "westerners" are materialistic.. hypocrisy much??).   In Islam it is a sin to help out the poor for the sake of helping humanity or because it makes you feel good inside. You are supposed to do it ONLY with the intention of pleasing Allah.

    To my knowledge Hinduism is more about spirituality.

    My best friend is a hindu but he is basically a pantheist. He said he doesn't believe in any intelligence that created the universe but something about energy/spirituality that I can't remember.

    For me learning about science and human history has fulfilled my spiritual needs in a way Islam never could. In fact there has never been a religion which has even come close to matching the eloquent spirituality of Science.  
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #42 - November 05, 2012, 01:36 AM
    Quote from: allat on November 05, 2012, 01:26 AM
    ^ Yup Grin

    And then you have the Yvonne Ridley types and whats-her-name Tony Blair's sister in law or whatever, who seem to just want to stick it to daddy somehow and donning a hijab and working for the Iranian govt (in the case of Ridley) seem like the way to stick it to daddy good.

    "Oh hai! I'm hiding myself under a sheet to prove how liberated I am! Yay for meeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #43 - November 05, 2012, 01:36 AM
    Oh wait, just googled it and Tony Blair's sister in law Lauren Booth now also works for the Iranian govt via PressTV, like Yvonne Ridley. Lovely. Betcha neither of them left England to go live in Iran, though. Real easy to follow the "True IslamTM" whilst not actually being in a Muslim-majority country.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #44 - November 05, 2012, 01:38 AM
    allat

    You have to understand the vibrancy of the Islamist scene in Britain. They really work hard and people like Lauren Booth love the attention.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #45 - November 05, 2012, 01:40 AM
    Quote from: allat on November 05, 2012, 01:36 AM
    Oh wait, just googled it and Tony Blair's sister in law Lauren Booth now also works for the Iranian govt via PressTV, like Yvonne Ridley. Lovely. Betcha neither of them left England to go live in Iran, though. Real easy to follow the "True IslamTM" whilst not actually being in a Muslim-majority country.

    Awesome. So, since they're presumably right into press releases n stuff, and taking into account what Billy just said about them loving attention, I'm sure they'd be only to happy to give their views on Iranian government policies regarding women. I'm sure rape as a method of interrogation is quite justifiable. Perhaps we should email them.
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #46 - November 05, 2012, 01:42 AM
    Quote from: allat on November 05, 2012, 01:36 AM
    Oh wait, just googled it and Tony Blair's sister in law Lauren Booth now also works for the Iranian govt via PressTV, like Yvonne Ridley. Lovely. Betcha neither of them left England to go live in Iran, though. Real easy to follow the "True IslamTM" whilst not actually being in a Muslim-majority country.


    Quote
    Julie Burchill criticised Booth..."what sort of woman freely converts to a religion which supports the oppression, torment and murder of thousands of Christians, homosexuals and spirited women, worldwide, every year? The sort of woman who writes love letters to a serial killer, I reckon."

     

    Brilliantly put.    yes
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #47 - November 05, 2012, 01:45 AM
    Oh that is brilliant. Very nicely done.  yes

    ETA: Was just looking up Burchill and Booth (they don't make the news over here) and found the article that quote came from.

    Poor Lauren Booth – she would do anything to get in with the tough kids

    I don't really know a damned thing about Burchill, but she does seem to have a cracking sense of humour.
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #48 - November 05, 2012, 01:49 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 05, 2012, 01:40 AM
    Awesome. So, since they're presumably right into press releases n stuff, and taking into account what Billy just said about them loving attention, I'm sure they'd be only to happy to give their views on Iranian government policies regarding women. I'm sure rape as a method of interrogation is quite justifiable. Perhaps we should email them.


    Oh I'm betting even if they bothered to write back, they would just talk about how pretty much the exact same amount of misogyny and sexism exist in the West and how Islam actually liberated them blah blah blah. Muslim apologists have PhD.s in Tu Quoque. It's like that children's game "I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you."
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #49 - November 05, 2012, 02:04 AM
    Which would say nothing about their support of Iran's government. You could forestall shenanigans by making the line of questioning inescapable.
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #50 - November 05, 2012, 02:20 AM
    ^

    It's because many muslimah's (converts included) are so into the religion that they actually have no problem with the misogyny because they view the women that are the victims of the Iranian regime as sinners or apostates.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #51 - November 05, 2012, 02:29 AM
    Hmm. Found Booth's own words on her conversion. Methinks she art not a giant of the intellectual persuasion.

    Why I love Islam: Lauren Booth defiantly explains why she is becoming a Muslim

    Quote
    It is the most peculiar journey of my life. The carriage is warm and my fellow passengers unexpectedly welcoming. We are progressing ­rapidly and without delay. Rain, snow, rail unions, these things make no difference to the forward rush.

    Yet I have no idea how I came to be on board nor, stranger still, quite where the train is heading, apart from this: the destination, wherever it might be, is the most important place I can imagine.

    I know this all seems gloriously far-fetched, but really it is how I feel about my conversion, announced last week, to Islam.

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    People ask me how much of the Koran I’ve read, and my answer is that I’ve only covered 100 pages or so to date.....

    So, basically she has no idea what is going on or how she got there, but is convinced this is the ultimate grooviness. K. No mention of any texts apart from the Quran either.

    Some of the comments about that article are pretty astute.:

    Quote
    ‘There is quite a lot that could be said about anyone who converts to Islam in Iran under the impression that it is less inhumane than New Labour, but as a piece of theatre, Lauren Booth’s conversion could hardly be beaten.’

    Andrew Brown’s blog,
    The Guardian


    ‘It’s baffling how a journalist could visit a country with Iran’s appalling human rights record and not be moved to report on the injustices suffered by its people.’

    Peyvand Khorsandi,
    Evening Standard


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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #52 - November 05, 2012, 02:38 AM
    Haha I like Burchill's voice and style of writing.

    Quote
    As I pointed out in this column a while back, the website Iranian.com, a voice of the country's exiles, recently ran a photo of Miss Booth in full modesty drag, with the headline HAS THIS WOMAN GONE MAD? and the comment "in donning the hijab, she is kowtowing to the very fundamentalism that holds the fate of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani in its hands ... To use the language that Booth might to describe Israel's excesses, it is shameful and disgusting that she a) works for Press TV, and b) agrees to wear Islamic headgear on screen."


    That's it, that's what I'm calling hijab from now on: modesty drag.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #53 - November 05, 2012, 02:40 AM
    I was just about falling off my chair laughing at the opening paragraph. grin12

    "Last year I took the first steps towards converting to Judaism; also last year, I abandoned my attempt. It was partly that I find it hard to stick at any discipline, being bone-idle and highly hedonistic (for instance, I was only a lesbian for six months),....."
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #54 - November 05, 2012, 02:41 AM

    Press TV, the Iranian propaganda station, spend their money well in Britain. Yvonne Ridley, Lauren Booth, Tariq Ramadan, Ken Livingstone, George Galloway all work for it.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #55 - November 05, 2012, 02:44 AM
    Yes I can imagine they would have been stoked to snare Booth. Blonde fetish, WASP background, family connections in British upper classes = hey let's pamper this one like crazy.
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #56 - November 05, 2012, 02:49 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 05, 2012, 02:40 AM
    I was just about falling off my chair laughing at the opening paragraph. grin12

    "Last year I took the first steps towards converting to Judaism; also last year, I abandoned my attempt. It was partly that I find it hard to stick at any discipline, being bone-idle and highly hedonistic (for instance, I was only a lesbian for six months),....."


    So let me get this straight this woman tried coverting to Judaism and failed, then tried to become a lesbian and failed and then she not only converts to Islam but begins working for the Iranian government

     idiot2  

    She needs to see a psychologist.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #57 - November 05, 2012, 02:56 AM
    No that isn't Lauren Booth saying that. Its another person, a journalist called Julie Burchill, writing about Lauren Booth. She's comparing herself to Booth.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #58 - November 05, 2012, 03:08 AM
    Well she was actually pointing out that she was too hedonistic too deny herself anything she liked for long (I'm assuming she's actually bisexual).
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  • Re: Dr. Amina Wadud suggests "Gender Jihad" within Islam
     Reply #59 - November 05, 2012, 03:09 AM
    Quote from: billy on November 05, 2012, 02:56 AM
    No that isn't Lauren Booth saying that. Its another person, a journalist called Julie Burchill, writing about Lauren Booth. She's comparing herself to Booth.


    aah ok.  Smiley
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
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