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  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     OP - November 13, 2012, 03:57 AM

    This is an ongoing pattern. It's happened in Uganda, where US evangelical Christians have funded and helped a horribly anti-gay legislation to pass that makes homosexuality punishable by death or life imprisonment.

    Now, the "National organization for marriage" (NOM) is promising to fuel homophobia in Muslim countries by pressuring companies that support LGBT rights in those countries.

    This thread will be a repository for such news and articles.

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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #1 - November 13, 2012, 03:59 AM

    NOM wants pro-gay companies to pay a 'price' in countries hostile to gay rights
    Monday, November 12, 2012

    Fresh from its stinging loss in five states in last week's election, the National Organization for Marriage has pledged to continue efforts to create backlash against companies that support marriage equality, by ensuring they pay a “price” in Middle Eastern countries that are hostile to gay rights.

    The statements came during a NOM conference call last week, which the organization billed to its supporters as a discussion of the 2012 elections — which resulted in the legalization of same-sex marriage in Maine, Maryland and Washington state, the defeat of an anti-gay marriage amendment in Minnesota, and the retention of a pro-gay marriage state Supreme Court Justice in Iowa.

    Speaking on the topic of “what’s next in the fight to defend marriage," NOM President Brian Brown said that the NOM was targeting the international business of companies that support same-sex marriage such as Starbucks and General Mills, according to a report, and audio captured, by The American Independent.

    Starbucks publicly supported efforts to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state, and General Mills announced its opposition to the anti-gay marriage amendment in Minnesota.

    Brown said the aim is to make these companies’ political stances known in countries in the Middle East and elsewhere that generally do not support same-sex marriage, or homosexuality in general.

    The American Independent obtained an invitation to the conference call and dialed in.

    “Their international outreach is where we can have the most effect,” Brown said. “So for example, in Qatar, in the Middle East, we’ve begun working to make sure that there’s some price to be paid for this. These are not countries that look kindly on same-sex marriage. And this is where Starbucks wants to expand, as well as India. So we have done some of this; we’ve got to do a lot more.”

    Earlier this year, NOM announced a "Dump Starbucks" protest, promising to place ads throughout the United States and Southeast Asia, urging consumers to boycott the company.

    In a statement at the time, Brown said that “DumpStarbucks.com online ads will also start running in Egypt, Beijing, Hong Kong, the Yunnan region of China, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Oman and Kuwait.”

    Brown also warned supporters of upcoming marriage fights in Delaware, Illinois, and Rhode Island, and of potential Supreme Court decisions concerning the constitutionality of California’s Proposition 8, and the fate of the Defense of Marriage Act.

    Brown said he believes the marriage equality wins will actually hurt gay-marriage advocates’ arguments in cases involving DOMA “because one of the arguments of the other side is that gays and lesbians are a suspect class, and that means that there’s some level of political powerlessness. That clearly is not the case."

    Additional audio from the call can be heard at The American Independent.


    Audio and links at SOURCE

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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #2 - November 13, 2012, 04:03 AM

    Uganda Revives 'Kill The Gays' Bill With Revisions
    BY Maria Vultaggio | November 12 2012 4:29 PM

    Uganda’s Speaker of Parliament Rebecca Kadaga has pledged to move forward with a notorious “Kill the Gays” Bill, though the death penalty has been removed from the new draft, Reuters reported.

    The speaker has been trying to get the Anti-Homosexuality bill passed since 2009, when it was introduced by David Bahati, a backbench lawmaker in President Yoweri Museveni's ruling National Resistance Movement party.

    The measure was called “odious” by U.S. President Barack Obama, and criticized by most of Europe. European countries threatened to withhold foreign aid from Uganda if the bill that at first called for the death sentence for “aggravated homosexuality” was passed.

    The first draft never made it to the debating floor, but now Kadaga has revived an amended bill.

    “They said I should stop the debate on the Anti-Homosexuality Bill, but I assured them there is no way I can block a private member's bill,” The Daily Monitor quoted Kadaga saying when spoke to religious leaders and journalists at Entebbe International Airport at the end of October.

    “I will not accept to be intimidated or directed by any government in the world on matters of homosexuality,” she said.

    “I was surprised when colleagues came and thanked me, saying that’s what they have always wanted to say but they had never gotten the courage to. That when it came to me that I had spoken for the whole of Africa, for the Arab world and Asians,” Kadaga said.

    The death sentence clause has been taken out, along one with forcing Ugandans to report homosexuals to authorities in the “watered-own” second draft, Bahati told Reuters.

    When asked about pro-gay-rights countries denying Ugandans entry visas and aid, Kadaga responded they could keep their money and visas.

    The new bill prohibits the "promotion" of gay rights and punish anyone who "funds or sponsors homosexuality" or "abets homosexuality.”

    The rise of the evangelical church in Uganda, with American church funding, is partly responsible for the anti-gay movement in the country.

    "Would you accept that a thief should be licensed, that a prostitute should be licensed? There is no difference between a thief, a robber, a prostitute and a homosexual," said Pastor Joseph Serwadda, a supporter of the “Kill the Gays” Bill.

    SOURCE

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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #3 - November 13, 2012, 04:10 AM

    Excert from:

    The Uganda Anti-Gay Bill's U.S. Roots
    May 11, 2011 6:56 PM EDT

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    Uganda is a country where American-style evangelical Christianity is exploding, and there are close links between many American anti-gay preachers, politicians, and activists, and their Ugandan counterparts. As Jeff Sharlet has reported, Bahati, the Anti-Homosexuality Bill’s sponsor, is the secretary of the Ugandan branch of The Family, the secretive American evangelical organization whose members include Sens. James Inhofe, Jim DeMint, and Tom Coburn. Martin Ssempa, a Pentecostal preacher who has championed the bill, was a protégé of Rick Warren and, during the Bush administration, a recipient of at least $90,000 of American aid earmarked for abstinence promotion. Another major anti-gay activist, Stephen Langa, the head of Uganda’s Family Life Network, is an affiliate of the Phoenix-based group Disciple Nations Alliance.

    The point is not that American Christians urged their Ugandan counterparts to try to institute the death penalty for homosexuality—they didn’t. After much public pressure, Warren has spoken out against the bill, and the Disciple Nations Alliance issued a somewhat lukewarm objection, noting “concerns” but insisting on the right of sovereign nations “to establish their own laws.”

    Yet the ideology underlying the bill comes from American conservatives. It is Americans who have elaborated a vision of homosexuality as a satanic global conspiracy bent on destroying society’s foundations, akin to the Jewish octopus in classic anti-Semitic narratives. According to Warren Throckmorton, an evangelical psychology professor once associated with the ex-gay movement, when Uganda’s anti-gay activists speak about homosexuality, they cite materials by Scott Lively and Paul Cameron, two of the fiercest American opponents of the so-called homosexual agenda.


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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #4 - November 13, 2012, 08:34 AM

    Don't forget the wonderfully-named "American Center for Law and Justice".

    Romney Adviser Backed Outlawing Homosexuality and Abortion in Africa

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    In the conservative political world, Jay Sekulow is hailed as an avowed crusader for religious liberty and the super-attorney behind the American Center for Law and Justice, a group Time magazine called a "powerful counterweight to the liberal American Civil Liberties Union." Unlike many conservatives, Sekulow, a Fox News legal analyst, has long backed Mitt Romney, whom he calls his friend. Sekulow advised Romney's 2008 presidential campaign, and has reprised that role during the 2012 election. He and his group have also joined forces with anti-gay crusaders in Africa to criminalize homosexuality.

    Sekulow and his son Jordan opened affiliated offices of the ACLJ in Africa to lobby politicians to "take the Christian's views into consideration as they draft legislation and policies," according to ACLJ's website. ACLJ's Zimbabwe office has pushed an agenda that backs outlawing same-sex marriage and making sure that homosexuality "remain(s) a criminal activity." (Zimbabwe had outlawed homosexuality in 2006.) Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe is among the most ruthless dictators in the world—but in 2010 ACLJ-Zimbabwe's chairman, pastor Alex Chisango, led Mugabe and others in prayer to kick off Zimbabwe's constitutional reform drive. ACLJ wanted to ensure that, whatever else changed in the country's constitution, homosexuality remained illegal and same-sex marriage was banned. (Another ACLJ office in Kenya lobbied to eliminate an exemption allowing an abortion when a women's life is at risk.)

    In January, the Sekulows officially endorsed Romney's 2012 campaign; Romney, in turn, thanked the Sekulows and said, "I look forward to working with them to ensure that we can bring conservative change to Washington." Jay Sekulow has identified himself as a Romney adviser. And Politico has reported that he talked strategy in April with Romney and other conservative leaders in Washington, DC, and that Sekulow's advisory role included acting as a liaison between the campaign and movement conservatives. (A Romney spokeswoman did not to respond to a question about Sekulow.)

    ACLJ spokesman Gene Kapp said that Sekulow is an "informal" adviser. "Jay Sekulow is an active supporter, endorser, and friend of Mitt Romney and has been for many years," Kapp says. "He has endorsed Romney in his individual capacity as a private citizen, not as chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice. His support is voluntary and unpaid."

    Evangelical values undergird ACLJ's legal work, and so it's no surprise the Sekulows have fought efforts to legalize same-sex marriage. Jay Sekulow is a vocal defender of the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, a federal law that defines marriage as between a man and a woman. (Last year, President Obama told the Department of Justice to stop enforcing DOMA.) In court, ACLJ has fought efforts to pro-same-sex marriage in New Jersey, Washington state, and the District of Columbia. Judges who uphold same-sex marriage laws, Sekulow told (PDF) Congress in 2004, "have simply ignored the custom and experience of recorded Western history, flouting the laws of our country, and condescending to every major religious tradition in the world."

    ACLJ expanded its reach to Africa in 2010. The timing was no accident: Several African countries were in the midst of constitutional reforms, giving ACLJ a chance to shape these nations' laws to fit their vision. ACLJ opened the Eastern African Centre for Law and Justice in Nairobi, Kenya, and an office in Zimbabwe, both of which gave ACLJ a voice in the writing of those countries' constitutions.

    A few months after ACLJ's Zimbabwe office opened, Jordan Sekulow traveled to Harare, the capital, to meet with leaders of the so-called unity government. During that visit, Sekulow personally met with Mugabe's vice president, the late John Nkomo, a central figure in Mugabe's notoriously brutal ZANU-PF political party.


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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #5 - November 13, 2012, 08:38 AM

    And some more on Uganda:

    The Love That Dares

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    Uganda Penal Code Act of 1950, Chapter 120, Article 145: Unnatural offences. Any person who has carnal knowledge of any person against the order of nature; has carnal knowledge of an animal; or permits a male person to have carnal knowledge of him or her against the order of nature, commits an offence and is liable to imprisonment for life.

    That long-extant law didn't go far enough for the supporters of the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, commonly referred to in the Western media as the "Kill the Gays Bill" because it upped the penalty for same-sex sex in "aggravated" circumstances (with a minor, with HIV-positivity, with frequency) to a death sentence. Once it was discovered that its proponents enjoy the love and support of American evangelicals, like the prominent group of congressmen known as the Fellowship or the Family, the headlines flowed so hard and fast that Uganda became the world's most publicized anti-gay place.

    Quote
    "African cultures aren't exactly accepting of gays," Dennis says. To exacerbate that problem, Uganda is "a very religious country," often referred to as Africa's most Christian. "God, God, God. Culture, culture, culture," Dennis says. Missionaries and churches and the Fellowship—the secretive US evangelical group run by Doug Coe whose stated goal is to influence politicians, be they Hillary Clinton, GOP congressmen, or Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni—have poured much money and effort into Uganda to support and bolster their Christian brethren.

    The Icebreakers office that Dennis and I are chatting in is a safe space, but that's an unpublicized, unmarked secret, guarded especially from the Pentecostals we can hear testifying through their church service next door; some of the country's loudest anti-gay voices belong to priests who've made themselves famous on the issue. Priests who got ink all the way across the Atlantic because they're not just hatemongers but also friends with people like Rick Warren and the Republican congressmen in the Fellowship, three of whom had just grabbed headlines in an adultery scandal dubbed "C Street," after the group's DC headquarters.

    Bahati became famous too, saying Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) and other influential Americans were behind him in his initiative, getting name-checked on NPR, doing an interview on The Rachel Maddow Show. Members of the Fellowship eventually disavowed his gay-killing efforts, but not before they pumped millions into youth programs where he could influence the hearts and minds of the next generation of Ugandan Christians. No wonder Dennis is more worried about the "extremely hostile" public than the homophobic state.


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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #6 - November 13, 2012, 01:06 PM

    This is disgusting; the hatred of these "defenders of marriage" is appalling; I thought Christians believed in "thou shalt not kill", how can these groups promote homophobia in countries that are already neck deep in it and willing to kill LGBT people? Does that not amount to murder? A sad, cruel world we live in :(
  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #7 - November 13, 2012, 01:34 PM

    This is disgusting; the hatred of these "defenders of marriage" is appalling;



     I thought Christians believed in "thou shalt not kill", .....

    Well that is for those Christians who follow in the foot steps Christ(If he was real)  but this killing is for those who follow foot steps of Poop., Oops   I mean Pope..


    Hmm..

    ".................The Rate of Male CHIMPS that Die of Violence is 30%
    ..................  The Rate of Men who die of  Violence  is also 30% "



    That statistics sounds right..

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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #8 - November 13, 2012, 10:44 PM

    This is disgusting; the hatred of these "defenders of marriage" is appalling; I thought Christians believed in "thou shalt not kill", how can these groups promote homophobia in countries that are already neck deep in it and willing to kill LGBT people? Does that not amount to murder? A sad, cruel world we live in :(

    I think the best (if not legally binding) description of their actions would be "negligent homicide". Give the influence they apparently have, then even if they feel morally bound to campaign for keeping homsexuality illegal in those countries they should also feel morally bound to ensure that the resulting laws and the enforcement of them is as humane as possible. They don't appear to think this is necessary though. Lovely people.  Roll Eyes

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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #9 - November 14, 2012, 01:20 AM

    finmad finmad finmad
  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #10 - November 14, 2012, 07:38 AM

    Someone brought it up in the chat and at the time I didn't think about it too much but what's the motivation for these far-right fanatic Christians to go fucking around in Africa (other than the money from resources)? Why do they care about the social issues so much? Do they think it adds legitimacy to their US causes if an African country adopts a policy? Is Uganda a country they'd like to model themselves after? Or is it just traditional hate (they hate black people and gays so this sort of thing kills two birds with one stone)?

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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #11 - November 14, 2012, 10:11 AM

    They're doing God's work. Even if the US is descending into depravity, at least they can help keep Africa on the right path. [/fundy]

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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #12 - November 14, 2012, 01:05 PM

    ...God's work......... [/fundy]

    Fundu




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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #13 - November 14, 2012, 08:46 PM

    Uganda will regret this sooner or later.  These right wing fundy groups are the same lot who funded the campaign to have a constitutional amendment against abortion in Ireland back in the 80s.  Look at the problems that has caused for our country over the years.

    They should stay at home and mind their own fucking business.

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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #14 - December 01, 2012, 11:35 AM

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    Russia's parliament is to consider a nationwide ban on "homosexual propaganda", in a move activists likened to a Soviet-era crackdown.

    Nine regions including St Petersburg have already passed legislation prohibiting the promotion of "homosexual propaganda" among minors. The Duma, Russia's parliament, will consider the nationwide ban on 19 December.

    "This is an illegal policy of repression," said Igor Kochetkov, head of the LGBT Network, a Russian gay rights group. "It's a strange coincidence that this law will be looked at on 19 December, and on 17 December 1933, the Soviet authorities made sexual relations between men illegal. They argued that gays were alien to Soviet society. Now and then, we hear the same rhetoric."

    Russia lifted its Soviet-era ban on homosexuality in 1993. Recent moves clamping down on gay rights have come amid a wider government push to promote traditional values and conservatism, often in concert with the Russian Orthodox church.

    Last week Milan tore up a 45-year agreement to hold "sister city" status with St Petersburg, in protest at its law. All Out, a global gay rights group, has called on tourists to boycott the Russian city.

    Kochetkov said the federal law followed "fascist logic". "It divides people into fully valued and half-valued people," he said. The LGBT Network had recorded a rise in the number of attacks against gay people and gay clubs in Russia since the regional laws had been passed, he said.

    Proponents of the law argue that it is aimed at protecting children and promoting family values.

    Last week a court in St Petersburg threw out a lawsuit against Madonna after a group of conservative activists tried to sue the pop star for $10.7m (£6.7m), arguing that she had broken the city's homosexual propaganda laws during a summer concert.


    source

    Teh Russians too dont want to be left behind

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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #15 - December 01, 2012, 11:49 AM

    There we go again, 'family values', I swear the phrase was invented by Hitler or Mussolini.

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  • Re: US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #16 - December 01, 2012, 01:23 PM

    In general its cool having a family and all that, in fact they can romanticize about it for all they want but they dont have to use that as a reason why Homosexuality and Lesbianism should be outlawed in a society and also blame them for the decline of so called "family values". It's entirely ridiculous and hypocritical for people to be bringing up "family values" as a trump card for banning LGBT rights. They are other factors for the decline but gays aren't responsible for it.

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  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #17 - December 14, 2012, 04:54 PM

    I'm utterly disgusted, but not surprised in the slightest, that Pope Benedict XVI has blessed Rebecca Kadaga:


    Quote
    Pope Benedict Blesses Top Lawmaker Pushing Uganda’s Kill The Gays Bill

    Pope Benedict XVI yesterday sent his first tweet from his new Twitter account, then turned around and blessed Rebecca Kadaga, the Speaker of the Uganda Parliament who promised to pass the "Kill The Gays" bill as a "Christmas gift" to Uganda’s Christians. Kadaga was at the Vatican to meet the Pope and to attend the seventh Consultative Assembly of Parliamentarians for the International Criminal Court and the World Parliamentary Conference on Human Rights.

    Birds of a feather hate together.

    /spit

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #18 - December 14, 2012, 04:57 PM

    I thought it was supposed to be love the sinner and hate the sin, not kill the sinner and hate the sin.

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  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #19 - December 14, 2012, 07:39 PM

    Even for Benny, that is an utterly disgusting thing to do.

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  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #20 - December 14, 2012, 07:43 PM

    Well, he's excused pedophiles, why would he not approve of murdering LGBT people.

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  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #21 - December 14, 2012, 07:54 PM

    And then they complain about people being angry with them

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #22 - December 14, 2012, 07:55 PM

    Well, he's on Tiwtter now so.............................

    Apart from Tweeting him, why not suggest Twitter ban him for publicly supporting hate crimes? They wont have the balls to do it, but they damned well should.

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  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #23 - December 14, 2012, 07:57 PM

    Here you go anyone want to Tweet Ratzinger, have at it: https://twitter.com/Pontifex

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  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #24 - December 15, 2012, 04:15 AM

    Quote
    …the Speaker of the Uganda Parliament who promised to pass the "Kill The Gays" bill as a "Christmas gift" to Uganda’s Christians.


    Sick, just plain sick no Please tell me there's a shitstorm brewing over the Vatican "blessing" this repulsive character.
  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #25 - December 15, 2012, 04:19 AM

    Well... Ratzinger joined Twitter 2 days ago and has over a million followers already, so no I don't think there's too much of a shitstorm brewing. I mean, who cares about LGBT people.

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  • US homophobes funding homophobia in other countries
     Reply #26 - August 17, 2013, 05:36 AM

    This is depressing. I'm actually quite glad on the current Pope's homosexual comment.

    "If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?"

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     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
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     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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