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 Topic: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader

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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #30 - November 17, 2012, 09:00 AM

    The point is, the Israelis haven't been shooting for quite a while. They only just started again. Why do you think that is?

    Not for any justifiable reason.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #31 - November 17, 2012, 09:05 AM

    How does that youtube video justify firing missiles intentionally at civilians?

    It doesn't. It justifies a military response against the threat, like I said.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #32 - November 17, 2012, 09:07 AM

    It doesn't. It justifies a military response against the threat, like I said.

    Well it's just as well that we live in a world where civilians aren't overwhelmingly the majority victims in missile attacks or else your comment might have just been some irrelevant moralising bullshit.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #33 - November 17, 2012, 09:14 AM

    Aww, cute little partisan with a pet cause.

    Do you actually give a shit about these civilians or are you just trying to score cheap points on the internet?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #34 - November 17, 2012, 09:20 AM

    I mostly want to hear another of your wide-eyed war-glorifying eulogies that sound like adverts for call-of-duty games and the next poppy day is just too far away. I figure this thread could keep me going 'til then.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #35 - November 17, 2012, 09:24 AM

    What a cold, empty room your life must be if collecting money for veterans and their families pains you so much, and if saying civilians need to be protected is what brings your claws out.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #36 - November 17, 2012, 09:25 AM

    Not for any justifiable reason.

    Ok, interesting point here. Tell me, what do you think would justify a response by the Israelis?

    By the way, in case you haven't cottoned on yet, I don't think the sun shines out of Israeli arses. TBH I think the whole Israel/Palestine situation is a perfect storm of fuckwittery from all sides. I also think Hamas is every bit as ruthless as Mossad, and that Hamas wants the Israelis to respond.

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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #37 - November 17, 2012, 09:28 AM

    What a cold, empty room your life must be if collecting money for veterans and their families pains you so much, and if saying civilians need to be protected is what brings your claws out.

    fuck dat strawman up bro, fuck it up real gud
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #38 - November 17, 2012, 09:34 AM

    Ok, interesting point here. Tell me, what do you think would justify a response by the Israelis?

    Nah, I can't be fucked with whatabouttery arguments right now.

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    By the way, in case you haven't cottoned on yet, I don't think the sun shines out of Israeli arses.

    I know. I'm just pissed, and I'm not really used to being pissed.

    I'm gonna try to ignore this thread. Not like it's going to change anything, anyway.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #39 - November 17, 2012, 09:43 AM

    Fair enough.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #40 - November 17, 2012, 09:51 AM

    fuck dat strawman up bro, fuck it up real gud

    LOL. "Strawman" You're flailing wildly. These "wide-eyed war-glorifying eulogies" are a figment of your imagination. The audacity of you crying strawman when you've just pulled some real fiction out of your arse is astounding. Remove that plank from thine eye, bitch.  

    And I didn't even know until now that  you had some bullshit grudge about the Remembrance Day thread, which is quite interesting I guess. Or not.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #41 - November 17, 2012, 09:52 AM

    Has the font changed on the forum or is it my hangover?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #42 - November 17, 2012, 09:54 AM

    "The Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades announces the slaughter of the collaborator".



    Palestinians gathered on Friday around the body of a man identified as Ashraf Ouaida in Gaza City.
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    GAZA CITY: Hamas militants from the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades on Friday executed a man on charges of "collaborating" with Israel as warplanes pounded Gaza, Palestinian sources said.

    "The Qassam Brigades on Friday executed a collaborator for providing guidance and information on the locations of the resistance and their rocket launchers to the Israeli occupation," a source told AFP on condition of anonymity.  Medical sources and witnesses said the man's body was taken to Gaza City's Shifa hospital.

    The sources confirmed that a picture circulating on social media networks purporting to show the executed man's body, was authentic. The photograph showed a man in a grey hooded sweater, his face pale and covered in blood, lying on the ground, a large sheet of paper with a message in Arabic written on it draped over his body. "The Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades announces the slaughter of the collaborator... who participated in the assassination of more than 15 of the leaders of the Palestinian people," it said. Hamas and the Qassam Brigades had no official comment on the execution, but the Hamas interior ministry announced separately it had captured "suspected collaborators."

     The man the gunmen shot, identified as Ashraf Ouaida, had a poster hung around his neck accusing him of cooperating with the Israelis in the killing of 15 Palestinian leaders. Wael Mohammed, a taxi driver who was standing on the steps of the Aman Mosque in the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood of Gaza City, said that around 11:45 a.m. he saw a Jeep pull up on Al Jalla Street, from which two masked men dragged Mr. Ouaida to the dirt circle under the Hamas billboard.

    “They took him out from the Jeep with his hands cuffed behind his back, they pushed him under the poster and fired three gunshots at his head from the back,” Mr. Mohammed said. “He was still alive. Then they set his cuffs free and turned him upside down and fired on him again.”  By noon, at least 100 men and boys, some carrying prayer mats, had gathered around Mr. Ouaida’s body, covering his bloodied head with a plastic sheet. He was wearing blue pants and a black zip-up sweatshirt and his feet were bare, and one dusty sandal sat by his hand. Another 15 minutes elapsed before an ambulance took him away.

    Yap ...  Slaughter......   any one and every one  suspected should be killed in public on roads.... That is the way to kill the spies On road in front of children and onlookers  slaughter him like an animal..  .. No arrest,  no courts .. no trial is needed...

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #43 - November 17, 2012, 10:02 AM

    LOL. "Strawman" You're flailing wildly. These "wide-eyed war-glorifying eulogies" are a figment of your imagination. The audacity of you crying strawman when you've just pulled some real fiction out of your arse is astounding. Remove that plank from thine eye, bitch.  

    And I didn't even know until now that  you had some bullshit grudge about the Remembrance Day thread, which is quite interesting I guess. Or not.

    I'm not in the habit of bearing grudges and I wouldn't start with someone whose opinion I value more often than not. Just some half-assed shit-slinging back at some half-assed shit-slinging.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #44 - November 17, 2012, 10:05 AM

    Has the font changed on the forum or is it my hangover?

    The two may not be mutually exclusive.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #45 - November 17, 2012, 10:12 AM

    Gaza crisis escalates as Palestinian death toll reaches 29  says news

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    GAZA CITY // Hamas militants in Gaza yesterday fired rockets at Jerusalem for the first time, as Israel continued its major air attacks on the territory. And the Israeli city of Tel Aviv again came under fire as the crisis escalated after the assassination of the Hamas military chief Ahmed Al Jabari on Wednesday.  The Israeli military sealed off the main roads around the Gaza Strip in a sign that Benjamin Netanyahu's government was readying for a ground offensive.  Reports said the government wanted ministerial approval to recruit up to 75,000 reserve soldiers, after earlier activating 16,000 reservists.

    A Hamas medical spokesman said on Friday night that the latest Israeli strikes on Gaza had killed five people, taking the death toll since Al Jabari was killed to 29 - 12 militants and 17 civilians, eight of whom were children. No casualties were reported in Tel Aviv but the rocket crashed into the sea just 200 metres from the US Embassy. In Jerusalem, air-raid sirens wailed as night fell and the Israeli army confirmed that a rocket fired from Gaza had struck "an open area outside of Jerusalem". It was the first time a Palestinian rocket had ever hit so close to the holy city.  The Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas struck a defiant tone by saying Palestine's bid to seek upgraded membership at the UN this month would not be derailed by the military campaign.

    "No one can stop us," he said. Egypt also took a hard-line approach, with president Mohammed Morsi calling the Israeli assault a "blatant aggression against humanity".

    Egypt's premier, Hisham Qandil, yesterday visited Gaza to express solidarity with its residents and their Islamist rulers. "What I saw today in Gaza at the hospital, with the martyrs, cannot be met with silence and the whole world should take responsibility to stop the aggression," he said. The rocket strike on Jerusalem came just hours after another fired from Gaza crashed into the sea off central Tel Aviv, bringing panic to beachgoers in Israel's commercial centre.

    "The Qassam Brigades bombed occupied Jerusalem with an M75 Qassam rocket," the Ezzedine Al Qassam Brigades said. Media reports said militants had fired an Iranian-made Fajr-5 rocket at Tel Aviv. It has a range of 75 kilometres, far greater than that of the home-made Qassam rockets, but neither are very accurate, experts say.

    Jerusalem lies about 70km from the Gaza Strip. Tel Aviv-Jaffa is about 65km away. On Thursday, the army said another rocket struck Rishon LeTzion, Israel's fourth-largest city, which lies 50km north of Gaza. Meanwhile, Iraq has denied reports that it has called for the use of oil as a weapon to pressure the US and other countries to stop the Israeli attacks, a government spokesman said yesterday. "The Iraqi government hasn't called for using the oil as a weapon," Ali Al Dabbagh said. "Iraq won't use oil in politics any more."

    An Israeli spokesman said 50 rockets were fired at Israel during Mr Qandil's visit, despite an informal truce offered by Mr Netanyahu. Taher Nunu, a spokesman for Gaza's Hamas government, rejected suggestions the Islamist group would have considered a truce without a complete halt to Israeli attacks. "We aren't speaking of any ceasefire here," Mr Nunu said. "We are under attack and it is our responsibility to stop the aggression against our people."

    Israel, he added, held sole responsibility for triggering the escalation with the assassination of Al Jabari.

    The UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon urged Hamas to end its rocket attacks on Israel and asked Israeli leaders to exercise restraint. Mr Ban's spokesman, Martin Nesirky, said the secretary general was "extremely concerned about the continued violence in Gaza and Israel". Mr Ban is expected to visit Palestine "in two or three days", Mr Abbas says.

    Gaza residents such as Ramadan Abu Warda, 45, decried the violence. "Who in their right mind wants a war like this?" asked Mr Abu Warda as he sat in a stairwell in Shifa hospital waiting for news of his son.

    Mahmoud, 12, was in surgery after being injured in an air raid in an area near the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza. Mr Abu Warda's nephew was killed in that attack. "I don't agree with this shooting and attacking. The people never benefit from it," he said

    Imams gave fiery sermons during Friday prayers, including at the Al Amin Mosque in Gaza City where calls were issued to "cut the necks" of Israelis. "If there is a war, there is a war. All we have are rockets to defend ourselves from the Israelis," said Humeid Abu Humeid, 56,  .

    What Imams, what  fiery sermons what ROCKETS ??  These Islamic idiots don't even realize  how much troubles they are putting to those Palestinians who don't want these bloody wars.. Do these Imams see how that guy  Ahmed Jabari, the head of its military hamas wing, got killed.. if not watch it again

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwgMWCk5R2Y  

    That is how they Kill .. and you idiots give fiery sermons, fire rockets in to ocean or kill few Israeli civilians with your rockets and Murder few  Palestinian guys on road accusing them  as spies.. .. You fools you seem not understand modern warfare ... shouting from mosques is not going  to  help ..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #46 - November 17, 2012, 10:27 AM

    Israel makes more than 30 strikes on Gaza
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp4_U09rqRw

    Life or Death in the Gaza Strip
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ

    idiots take out your face Masks .. build  schools ... fuck alllah hooo akbaar.. you are in 21st century.. neither allah nor akbaaar of brain will help Palestinians .. last Video is from July 2012..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #47 - November 17, 2012, 10:51 AM

    I'm not in the habit of bearing grudges and I wouldn't start with someone whose opinion I value more often than not. Just some half-assed shit-slinging back at some half-assed shit-slinging.

    Prince .. COOL DOWN...anger solves nothing...  Life is like that around Islamic war fares  since the day Prophet of Islam died...


    Anyways news says

    Israel Destroys Hamas Prime Minister’s Office

    Thousands attend Gaza military chief's funeral as tension escalates

    Noam Chomsky on Gaza, and the 2 Positives of Election 2012: The Worst Didn’t Happen — and It’s Over

    Toronto for Palestine - November 15 2012

    March and rally for Gaza, Boston, Mass., November 15, 2012


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #48 - November 17, 2012, 11:01 AM

    Egypt President #Morsi statements about #Gaza Nov 16 2012

    Tariq Ali Israel wants Gaza colonized, peace killed with Hamas leader

    LONDON PROTESTERS RESPOND:"Gaza Gaza don't you cry, we will never let you die! Free Palestine!

    American FOX.. or FOXY AMRIKA on this looming war

    The WOMAN LICKING LONDON CAT on this looming war and news

    You STUPID CAT go lick women .. you don't understand Islam..  Muslims against Muslims is the way Islam works to start with.. You fool read Islamic history..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #49 - November 17, 2012, 11:22 AM

    Good fair discussion on the situation from TYT

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKxjTG1iYFk&list=UU1yBKRuGpC1tSM73A0ZjYjQ&index=1&feature=plcp

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #50 - November 17, 2012, 11:44 AM


    yes it is fair discussion., It becomes more fairer ., if masked men of Islam are de-masked.. and all Islamic heroes put Islamic literary scriptures under the pillow and act like TYT staff

    well let us watch this US Failed Policy in Israel Palestine Conflict

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtBmkAm04V8

    Hooo Ha.. 12 million dollars donations from juice.... .. fools that is not even peanuts for US elections..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #51 - November 17, 2012, 11:49 AM

    The simultaneous consequences of challenging devices enables the use of a single hemiola amongst many coherent continuities. My approach to sound is predicated upon repeating the connection between the 'unique-noise' and musical performance-spaces. Recently, I have started to embrace challenges as a strongly-soloistic alternative to established forms of post-active modulation-resonances, which has made my work post-site-specifically static.  parrot

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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #52 - November 17, 2012, 01:41 PM

    *Sigh* It seems as though this is how it will go on forever. Every few years there’ll be an escalation of Hamas rockets on Israeli civilian centres, Israel will unleash hell on Gaza, thousands will die (mostly on the Palestinian side), dead babies all round; Israel emerges looking  like the bad guy and Hamas plays the victim. It feels as though – like Muslim riots over perceived sacrilege – this is just an unfortunate fact of life and something we should expect every few years. Sucks for the average folk who just want to live their lives in peace.

    I think Israel should grant the Palestinians statehood; I don’t even understand why they hold onto the territories. AFAIK there’s no oil or anything of value in either Gaza or the West Bank. I’m not buying the “security” excuse; I mean c’mon “we’re the the sole nuclear power in the MidEast, with one of the most advanced militaries on the planet and the backing of the world’s sole superpower…but we’re deathly afraid of some Arabs with rocks, dodgy Iranian rockets and AK47s”. I’m sure Israel is more than capable of defending herself which is why I don’t buy that. Why build settlements? Why occupy some shitty piece of desert? Why people, why? Perhaps I don’t know enough about this shiz to even be commenting, I quit paying attention after it got too confusing and depressing several months ago, but man does this suck!

    I think Jerusalem (it’s religion again  Roll Eyes) is the point of contention in this entire conflict. Both sides want it, neither is willing to compromise and as such this will never end. I honestly think the “holy” sites of the deadly desert trio are safer in Israeli hands hiding considering Islam's history with the "holy" sites of other religions but of course that's not going to please everyone. Perhaps Jerusalem should be split or autonomous with the religious communities minding their sites or something.

    Anyways I'm sleepy and have a million tabs open at once so excuse my poor thinking and judgement right now.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #53 - November 17, 2012, 01:57 PM

    well there will be lot more tubes from both sides..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDohNq9BORo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeGmcafoT3s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z74K1XqY5DM

    old tubes.........

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #54 - November 17, 2012, 03:46 PM

    Israel Hamas War: Top 5 Biggest Media Myths about Israel Palestine Conflict

    As Daniel Patrick Moynihan, former United States senator once famously said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”  Here are the top five media myths about Israel-Palestine that pass themselves off as facts.
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    1) Palestinians have not been cooperative or don’t want to talk.

    While this is part of the misinformation campaign spread by media and the Israeli government, it is not accurate in the least.

    2) Israel is the only “democracy” in the Middle East.

    Are we forgetting Lebanon, Tunisia, Egypt? While reams have been written about oil and democratization and the role of imperial powers in keeping dictators in power, the reality today is that the Middle East is changing. There is reason to hope that there will be more power in people’s hands and societies will change for the better. Many analysts have Israel as an “apartheid state” and there is reason to believe this hypothesis.

    3) The U.S. is a neutral player in the “peace-process."

    While many administrations, including those of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, have had a transformational impact in taking the process further, most of the time, the U.S has not been a neutral party to the process. The number U.S. vetoes of Security Council Resolutions against Israeli settlements (which are illegal by international law) indicates how biased it is towards Israel. Facts speak louder than words.

    4) Targeted killing is good.

    Targeted killing is against Geneva conventions and internationally accepted norms. This is plain wrong and leads only to further violence, as we are seeing today.

    5) Hamas is the “spoiler” in all cases.

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    While it is true that Hamas perpetuates unspeakable violence and has acted as a “spoiler” in the process of working towards peace, the bigger spoiler in many cases has been the state of Israel. The “collateral damage” that Operation Cast Lead has caused is enough to prove that Israel is not a dove, by any means. (For more, please see a paper I wrote some time ago.)

    Before passing any judgment on this issue, one must keep certain facts in mind.

    Firstly, the state of Israel is an “occupying” force, meaning it has annexed large parts of the territory that it occupies the houses, villages and townships in which Palestinians legitimately owned and lived in. UN Security Council Resolution 242, which was adopted in 1967,clearly delineates as much. Unfortunately, the state of Israel continually and blatantly violates this and all other resolutions and agreements.

    Further, the media reporting is absolutely biased, and favors the Israeli narrative as opposed to the Palestinian side. For more in-depth analysis, please see Edward Said’s “Covering Islam: How the media and experts determine how we see the rest of the world."Or, as an exercise, look up any article in a leading news media and see how many of them quote the Palestinian side in a story.

    As we try to understand what is going on, Said’s words come to mind. Back in 1999, he wrote, “Violence, hatred and intolerance are bred out of injustice, poverty and a thwarted sense of political fulfillment. Last fall, hundreds of acres of Palestinian land were expropriated by the Israeli Army from the village of Umm al-Fahm, which isn't in the West Bank but inside Israel. This drove home the fact that, even as Israeli citizens, Palestinians are treated as inferior, as basically a sort of underclass existing in a condition of apartheid.”

    The sad reality is that this continues even to this day. Once these facts on the ground change, I believe we will see a different reality.


    indeed it is sad reality ., may be facts facts on the ground may change,to different reality.. BUT WE NEED FACTS.. what are they??  that is from  Mr. Sabith Khan .. he says
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    I have lived, worked in India, UAE and the US. Issues that are close to my heart include : Civic engagement, Media strategy and non-profit management. I serve as the Founding Executive Director of MENASA, a Youth leadership and citizens diplomacy initiative. See http://menasaworld.com for more. When I am not working, I enjoy exploring new places, cooking, Golf, Soccer, independent movies and blogging. All views expressed here are mine, and not of any organization that I am associated with.

    lucky guy plays Gulf and lives in India. I wish Indians could force their government to import half  a million or so Palestinian and settle them across billion people  rest of the 500 million folks that are in Palestine ..The children.. women and old folks can live in Gaza peacefully for 30 years or so..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #55 - November 17, 2012, 08:18 PM

    Yup. I think the only way out of this is for the UN and certain major powers to stop sucking Israel's dick. By all means safeguard Israel, because anyone who thinks it's going away is not living on the same planet, but it has to be brought in line with international standards.

     I'm not pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. I'm just pro-the-average-person-who-justs-wants-to-get-on-with-their-neighbours. Realistically, that category does not include Hamas or Likud.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #56 - November 17, 2012, 08:22 PM

    This surge in violence is awfully close to the January Israeli elections. Likud needs a reason to carry on existing, the nutters at Hamas are all too happy to oblige.

    A match made in heaven. Too bad the people who suffer are just civilians. But who gives a fuck about them, right?

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    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #57 - November 17, 2012, 08:34 PM

    What is most detrimental is how fucking dichotomized this issue is, and always has been. People who identify with either side, or who ally themselves with either side, for the most part fucking REFUSE to acknowledge the grievances of the other side. It's just a fucking unending saga of "You stop hitting me first!!!" And FFS this is not a new issue, why the hell does the same shit, including the same arguments for who is the bigger victim have to be repeated the same fucking way every couple of years with blood and violence along with the media frenzy? I mean, these people on both sides really do feel like drama queens who just can't stand not being the center of attention for more than a few months. And y'know what, it is true that Israel uses excessive force and fucking rains down bombs in the middle of civilian areas under the guise of "self defense", but it's also true that Hamas and its supporters do NOT WANT peace and provoke Israel, an entity they know has serious insecurities about itself.

    I am just sick and bloody tired of reading and hearing the same old shit from both sides every few years. It never fucking changes over there. Both sides have lots of money and people from various sources who are now invested in this continuing on - it serves both sides' victim complex to continue to be at war. I am sure there are LOTS and LOTS of people on both sides who want peace. Who just want to not get killed or maimed and want to get on with life. Unfortunately they are outfunded by people who want war and bloodshed. Especially those who send funds from other countries to continue on with this stupid fucking holy war.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #58 - November 17, 2012, 08:49 PM

    That about sums it up.

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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #59 - November 17, 2012, 09:21 PM

    ...................... Hamas and its supporters....................

    ........ Especially those who send funds from other countries to continue on with this stupid fucking holy war..................




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    overnment
     -     Prime Minister    Ismail Haniyeha
     -     President    Aziz Duwaik
    Establishment
     -     Established    January, 2006
    Population
     -     2011 estimate    1,657,155
    GDP (PPP)    2009 estimate
     -     Total    $770 million (-)
     -     Per capita    $3,100 (-)


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    Since 2006, the Governance of the Gaza Strip has been performed by the Hamas administration, which is often referred to as the Hamas government in Gaza.  Hamas control over the area was established after the Hamas party won the Palestinian legislative elections in January 2006,  and ousted Fatah officials during the Battle of Gaza in 2007.  Hamas' political and military rival, Fatah, controls the West Bank. Both regimes - the Palestinian National Authority and the Hamas administration - regard themselves as the sole legitimate Palestinian government.

    Since the division between the two parties, there have been conflicts between Hamas and various similar factions operating in Gaza and with Israel, most notably the Gaza War of 2008-2009. The radicalization of the Gaza Strip also brought internal conflicts between various groups, in events like 2009 Hamas crackdown on Jund Ansar Allah, an Al-Qaeda affiliated group, resulting in 22 people killed; and the April 2011 Hamas crackdown on a Salafist group, involved in Vittorio Arrigoni's murder.


    Since the division between the two Palestinian parties, while the West Bank remained relatively quiet, the Gaza Strip has been a scene of constant conflict between the Hamas and various factions against Israel, most notable the Gaza War of 2008-2009.

    In 2009, The radicalization of the Gaza Strip also brought the 2009 Hamas crackdown on Jund Ansar Allah, an Al-Qaeda affiliated group, resulting in 22 people killed. The event came after a radical Salafist cleric declared an "Islamic Emirate" in Gaza, accusing Hamas of failing to implement a full Sharia law. The undermining of the Hamas authority resulted in violent crackdown on the group, which took 2 days.

    In March 2010, it was reported that Ahmed Jabari described the security situation in Gaza as deteriorating and that Hamas was starting to lose control.[19] Nevertheless, the Hamas continued to execute its authority..


    The economy of the Hamas administered Gaza Strip is severely hampered by high population density, limited land access, strict internal and external security controls, the effects of Israeli military operations, and restrictions on labor and trade access across the border. Per capita income (PPP) was estimated at US$ 3,100 in 2009, a position of 164th in the world.[24] Seventy percent of the population is below the poverty line according to a 2009 estimate.[24] Gaza Strip industries are generally small family businesses that produce textiles, soap, olive-wood carvings, and mother-of-pearl souvenirs; the Israelis have established some small-scale modern industries in an industrial centre. Israel supplies the Gaza Strip with electricity.... Before the second Palestinian uprising in September 2000, around 25,000 workers from the Gaza Strip (about 2% of the population) used to work in Israel every day.

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    In 2010 approximately 1.6 million Palestinians lived in the Gaza Strip, of whom almost 1.0 million are UN-registered refugees.[52] The majority of the Palestinians are descendants (the Palestinians are the only refugee group to have ever been given hereditary refugee status) of refugees who were driven from or left their homes during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The Strip's population has continued to increase since that time, one of the main reasons being a total fertility rate of almost 5 children per woman. In a ranking by total fertility rate, this places Gaza 26th of 223 regions.

    Most of the inhabitants are Sunni Muslims, with an estimated 2,000 to 3,000 Christians making the region 99.3 percent Sunni Muslim and 0.7 percent Christian. There is also a Shia Muslim population in the enclave  Before the Hamas takeover, approximately 500 women from the former Soviet Union lived in Gaza. During the Soviet era, the Communist Party subsidized university studies for thousands of students from Yemen, Egypt, Syria and the territories. Some of them married during their studies and brought their Russian and Ukrainian spouses back home. When Hamas came to power, over half of them left the Strip via the Erez crossing to Amman and flew back to Eastern Europe


    Website to learn about Gaza Strip news
    http://www.cfr.org/
    http://www.qassam.ps/
    http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/
    http://www.ikhwanweb.com/tagView.php?id=Hamas
    http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/05/14/hamas-launches-official-website/
    http://www.cair.com/

    Interview with Hamas spokesperson Osama Hamdan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbYMd6ECm-4

    Gaza City: 'people are ready to fight'
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez_gU0r1HeM

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