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  • Curriculum for Cohesion
     OP - November 29, 2012, 06:50 PM


    Abdul Hakim Murad a.k.a Tim Winter and the Cambridge Muslim College have got a grand project called 'Curriculum for Cohesion'

    Its basically Dawah to try and get as much Islam into the British school curriculum as possible, using the rhetoric of tolerance, diversity, respect, multiculturalism etc etc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sorOjiQtcR8

    "We're not looking to re-write history. We're looking to rebalance it" ^^^

    Because when Muslims use the rhetoric of tolerance, diversity and all those key words, they know they can play on the sentiments of liberal minded non Muslims, they see this as a great way of advancing dawahganda, and they do seem to have the ear of some prominent people.

    Here is the website:

    http://curriculumforcohesion.org/

    Secularism isn't just about holding bishops in the House of Lords to account - secularism is challenged by soft-multiculturalism-diversity rhetoricians like this who advance a religious identity politics agenda.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #1 - November 29, 2012, 06:55 PM
    'Muslims are not naturally dumb...they used to be the intellectual elite of civilisation...'  Cheesy
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #2 - November 29, 2012, 06:59 PM
    Quote from: Stardust on November 29, 2012, 06:55 PM
    'Muslims are not naturally dumb...they used to be the intellectual elite of civilisation...'  Cheesy

    That is a fact,  indeed they are NOT naturally dumb.. They are brain washed with a silly faith  right from the age of two,   to become  dumb and very emotional..  And that goes to all kids in all faiths who grow up in a faith head family without logic/rational outlook. And that happens without the  fault of these kids
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #3 - November 29, 2012, 07:02 PM
    Whenever Muslims refer to the 'golden years' of Islam it always reeks of insecurity to me, insecurity about where Islam has failed in the modern times to keep it's name attached to the 'intellectual elitism'.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #4 - November 29, 2012, 07:04 PM

    Basically, the British school curriculum has to be shaped in order to raise the self-esteem of Muslims.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #5 - November 29, 2012, 07:06 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on November 29, 2012, 06:59 PM
    That is a fact,  indeed they are NOT naturally dumb.. They are brain washed with a silly faith  right from the age of two,   to become  dumb and very emotional..  And that goes to all kids in all faiths who grow up in a faith head family without logic/rational outlook. And that happens without their fault.


    I was laughing at the way the guy was presenting it, the whole presentation was bordering amusing, and what I said above^

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #6 - November 29, 2012, 07:09 PM

    The way he looks, pleadingly, into the camera is kind of funny Dusty  Grin
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #7 - November 29, 2012, 07:12 PM
    Quote
    Quote from: Stardust on November 29, 2012, 07:02 PM
    Whenever Muslims refer to the  'golden years' of Islam it always reeks of insecurity to me, insecurity about where Islam has failed in the modern times to keep it's name attached to the 'intellectual elitism'.

      
    Quote from: Stardust on November 29, 2012, 07:06 PM
    I was laughing at the way the guy was presenting it, the whole presentation was bordering amusing, and what I said above^


    i don't want insult that  guy Stardust., I am afraid I am becoming  pessimist  by doing such criticism to ever tom & dick of Islam.

    ...  But what I want is my share of gold from that golden era of Islam ... where is my Gold?  finmad
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #8 - November 29, 2012, 07:21 PM
    I think it's unavoidable and good even to present Islam in a more coherent way into schools these days, after all Islam is everywhere now and young people are learning things about it bits and bobs here and there and making conclusions on that. It needs to be be monitored very carefully in the way it's presented....which is the tricky bit, how do you present it unbiased without favour or offence.

    Of course most would say leave all the teaching of Islam to be presented by...Muslims, naturally....
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #9 - November 29, 2012, 07:26 PM
    And it's not just an 'RE' thing as most religions can be fit into, Islam is a whole load bigger with a mixture of cultural and political angles to it.

    I don't know what RE studies is like these days, but back when I was in school it was about 70-80% basically learning about Christanity.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #10 - November 29, 2012, 07:32 PM
    Best to just keep it in RE classes like every other faith I reckon
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #11 - November 29, 2012, 07:35 PM
    GCSE RE is 40% Islam (2011) or so, more in schools with large numbers of 'muslim' students. Anyway, RE is a redundant subject, simply because it teaches what the religious dogma states about certain questions of ethics or law, for example, euthanasia. What should be taught is moral philosophy and rational thinking, with some focus on how certain religious thinkers approach some topics, kids should also be taught the objective history and evolution of religion and religions in their history lessons.

    Of course, this would result in many parental complaints....
    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #12 - November 29, 2012, 07:41 PM
    Oh, yeah definitely a philosophy/rational thinking/debating class...wish we had something like that at school.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #13 - November 29, 2012, 07:44 PM
    Then again, I learned legal/moral philosophy at uni at the age of 21 and many of the folks I was with were either too ignorant, uninterested or incapable of grasping most of the concepts, so it may not be suitable for 14-16 year olds.
    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #14 - November 30, 2012, 02:40 PM
    For some reason watching him talk I momentarily pretended I was a Christian in a Islamic country.

    No thanks religion should be taught at home. End of story. Last thing we need is more fighting over what thing was mis-translated or mis-representented and different interpretations. Things taught in schools need to be consistent and factual. For me it seems some Muslims think diversity and tolerance is a one way street in their favor. If you are so keen on teaching children their 'identity' then have them take ex curricular lessons, that's what Christians do. And leave schools for teaching  critical thinking and creativity.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #15 - November 30, 2012, 03:32 PM
    Religion is an integral part of humanity currently whether we like it or not, and brushing it under the rug and leaving it to be taught 100% at home (whatever religion it is) leaves those youngsters more at the mercy of brainwashing, if we had something that could give a spark or beginnings of even a slightly more objective stance and point of dicussions/debates/doubts from an academic angle in the context of a school subject then that can only be a good thing - especially when you have these religions being discussed along side each other, comparatively, it can only help in shifting perspectives (-speaking of RE lessons here). I suppose it could go under a general topic of 'philosophy/morals and rationality', but under whichever umbrella the topic of religion shouldn't be just pushed out of school IMO.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #16 - November 30, 2012, 03:38 PM
    Critical thinking skills would equip them to do that Dusty, I reckon.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #17 - November 30, 2012, 03:49 PM
    Ok, so why not apply those critical thinking skills to religion in a structured manner as in within the context of a school subject? Why just leave such a big topic within peoples lives, influencing so much of society, out of the circle of academic scrutiny? Especially when the topic of morals people tend to interweave with religion?
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #18 - November 30, 2012, 03:50 PM
    Sure, good points, but that should just be focussed within the RE classes, imo.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #19 - November 30, 2012, 03:52 PM
    Sometimes it's easier to segregate critical thinking appliance to certain topics when those topics are not placed directly in line of analysis.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #20 - November 30, 2012, 03:56 PM
    Critical thinking is taught as  a subject at sixth form, it's not taken seriously by teachers or students. The ideal situation would be to reform the subject and make it more relevant, include religion and history etc etc, the reality is that schools and the schooling system are very limited in their thinking and very risk averse, they won't try new ideas if it will affect their bottom line or cause offence or disturbances. That's how it is, unfortunately.
    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #21 - November 30, 2012, 03:57 PM
    Quote from: billy on November 30, 2012, 03:50 PM
    Sure, good points, but that should just be focussed within the RE classes, imo.




    Ah, I was talking about if the subject of religion were to be pushed out completely from schools :/ (scrapping RE being taught)
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #22 - November 30, 2012, 04:01 PM

    No, your point is right - its a complex issue. If you see these guys, their agenda is something different. They really do seem to want the whole school curriculum in Britain to be shaped to serve an agenda of asserting a certain view of Islam - even outside RE classes.....the name 'Curriculum for Cohesion' sums up what they're saying - basically that only if this happens, can British society be cohesive. Which is just silly.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #23 - November 30, 2012, 04:20 PM
    Instead of RE why is there not philosophy classes instead. Then you could bring religious arguments into that alongside political philosophy with an emphasis on critical thinking and clearly and well arguing your case as to which argument made most sense, or whether any could be combined sensibly.
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #24 - November 30, 2012, 06:24 PM
    Curriculum for Bollocks.... Roll Eyes

    PS: This Murad guy is a critic of feminism and gender equality. Did someone say "moderate" Muslim? Of course he probably loves 4:34. MashaAllah! Allahu akbar!
    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #25 - November 30, 2012, 06:56 PM
    They've got that base covered

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVogxhhOLuk

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #26 - November 30, 2012, 07:04 PM
    http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news-politics/uk-schools-failing-in-teaching-of-christianity-t36186.html

    This site has a fascinating discussion about the existing wooification of British schooling, Islam is only piggybacking, and it looks as if the fields are ready to take the seeds.
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #27 - November 30, 2012, 07:21 PM
    If they want a change in history class their group should you know include a lot of historians and less pundits. Also masters of the false dichotomy, either learn their values and history in class or end up on the streets. What about Mormons and Hindus in Britain? Put Mormon history in British schools or face a barrage of Mormons on the streets? Hindu hooligans? I get that there should be a widening of the historical narrative to be more inclusive but this idea of bringing being taught exclusive "beliefs" and "values" or else hooliganism is the political multiculturalism that kenan malik was talking about.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #28 - November 30, 2012, 07:24 PM

    There's an underlying coercive kind of threat isn't there? Its like they want to suggest that unless you do this, there will be problems in society because Muslims will become alienated and it'll all be your fault so don't say we didn't warn you!

    Isn't this an infantilisation of Muslims that gets called prejudice if others assert it?
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Curriculum for Cohesion
     Reply #29 - December 01, 2012, 12:31 AM
    Religion does teach that one is superior to all other non-believers.

    An arrogance is set up, and a false feeling of *deserving* (-that's not the word I'm looking for exactly..ugh).
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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