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  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim….?!?!?!
     OP - December 01, 2012, 07:55 PM

    I’m not sure if this has been already discussed, if so, I would request staff member to help me with thread so that I can post this in that thread…

    I don’t want to come across as muslim hater but I really fail to understand what distinguish a good Muslim from a bad Muslim… only being extreme is eligibility?

    End of the day,  a Muslim follows what Quran says and what ‘ Mo “ did ( as muslim consider his as being a role model) there is no need to tell that Quaran is full of hate for non believers and what Mo-Ham-Mad did was completely against the “being human” ….
    So even if a good/moderate/ liberal muslim…. They are following Quaran & Mo… which is again ( please refer the above what I wrote about both)… so what exactly means a good muslim, liberate muslim or moderate muslim…. Muslim is a muslim who believe in Allah, and mo being his last messeneger and Allah’s word…i.e Quran….
    So in my opinion.. either you’re believer of Allah/Quaran/Mo (which is hate, killing, lie) or you’re NOT a muslim…..
    Look forward to your opinions…. Thank you!!!

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #1 - December 01, 2012, 08:07 PM


    Just as you have different levels of observance amongst Hindus, so do you have levels of literalism in Islam.

    This video deals with this issue eloquently

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peZjIK7yZDw

    By the way, please refrain from spelling Muhammad's name repeatedly as "Mo-Ham-Mad" - its immature and makes you appear like someone more concerned with baiting than discussing coolly.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #2 - December 01, 2012, 09:03 PM

    Welcome to the forum, Devil Never Cry! Dont say you are one of those Hindutva-folks?

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #3 - December 02, 2012, 12:58 PM

    @ billy..... didn't quite understand.... or maybe i was not clear on what i'm aksing... this video just suggest me that this all because of muslim are minority in that country so they are coming up with this " all good factor" otherwise we all know what happened to miniorities in islam majority countires.... minirities almost wiped out....

    @ Al-ma'rri.... Thank you & no I'm not that "hindutva" stuff... and want all to be converted to hinuism... ( if you really mean that by "hindutva") BTW what exactly do you mean by Hindutva stuff? Thank you for explaining.. Smiley

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #4 - December 02, 2012, 01:00 PM

    If you can't grasp how there is not a direct causal link between every Muslim and the literalism of the Islamic scriptures despite many being inspired by its most extreme interpretations, its very worrying. It suggests an inability to comprehend simple logic, or an ability that is impeded by a certain blindness.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim….?!?!?!
     Reply #5 - December 02, 2012, 02:12 PM

    @ billy..... didn't quite understand.... or maybe i was not clear on what i'm aksing... this video just suggest me .................

    Hmm..

     Devil Don't worry about billy..  billy is silly..

    Let us discuss the problems with that tube. In fact I have problem with that guy and with that tube.. He hates me.,...  I t appears because of me he stopped writing in to this website .. So watch more of his tubes..  and help me figuring out his problems..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iPFN9l3Us

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHm2xigkBc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX3IBHf1oLY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbH-0RxRKJE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra9QQ58b7JY

    So devil.. watch all of them.. tell me his problems with me.   and tell me your problem with that video billy put out..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #6 - December 02, 2012, 04:46 PM

    Are you seriously asking this? Not alll Muslims believe that Mo was all about hate, killing, etc and not all Muslims even give a shit about Islam. Muslims -- like any other believers -- have varying levels of religiosity, as well as different perceptions and interpretations of Islam. The Quran can be quite vague and a lot of BS can be "interpreted" away, explained away by context, said to be abrogated, etc. Most of what we know about Mo comes from Hadith (which is secondary to the Quran & can be quite contentious). It's not as black and white as you make it seem. 

    Muslims are human beings and from experience, most usually bend/interpret Islam to suit their own morality, which is not all that different from most people's basic morality. Granted, there are arseholes but who gives them the monopoly on Islam? If Muslims want to practice their religion in a peaceful manner and it is liberal/good/moderate who are you to tell them they aren't Muslim? 

    I call Muhammad Mo b/c I usually cbf'ed (and sometimes I'm genuinely taking the piss) but you shouldn't use childish and inflammatory terms like "Mo-Ham-Head" continuously, especially considering the nature of your question; it makes you appear bigoted and immature. 

  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim….?!?!?!
     Reply #7 - December 02, 2012, 05:02 PM

    Are you seriously asking this? .....................

    Mo b/c I usually cbf'ed...

    what kind of question is that?  and what kind of cryptic ling is that? Angel  Al-Alethia.. whom are you talking to ?   finmad    
    ..
     Are you talking to me angel?  "the messenger?   be careful when you talk to messengers ,, but if you are asking that question to gods, devils, billys ..hassans..Al-Ma`arri s.. zees.. yees.. whatever

    That is fine with me..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim….?!?!?!
     Reply #8 - December 02, 2012, 05:56 PM

    I'm just a weekend bee... but for sure i will watch you vids... like i watched billy's/... my opinion hasn't change on bily's vid.. but LOL on youd COW vid whcih i watched half.... Shit... the cow at 1:16 with fuzz.. was soo cute looking.... BUT i WILL watch and then say something on IT..

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #9 - December 02, 2012, 06:07 PM

    @billy... I LOVED you profile pic now....

    let me set the things right...... YES, I'm uneducted about EX-MUSLIM.... YES... I"M FAIL to understand the general rules of living in caves.... IT IS MY INABILITY to understant YOUR INTELLECTUAL...

    Diffrent people have diffrent learning curves..... some learns "quick" and fail in long run and some learn slowwwwly n "finish the "finish"line"

    I never say i'm NOT open to learn BUT this is your EGO to treat me as "unable to learn"..... ooopsie..... what did i say... should be bannned...

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #10 - December 02, 2012, 06:43 PM


    Put that intellect to good use fella, the answers is obvious.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #11 - December 02, 2012, 06:45 PM

    @ billy.. As per WHO?!?!

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Re: Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #12 - December 02, 2012, 11:13 PM

    Oh yezeevee  Grin
    Mo b/c I usually cbf'ed


    Mo = Muhammad.
    B/c = because
    cbf'ed = can't be fucked

    That post was directed at Devil Never Cry
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #13 - December 09, 2012, 03:57 PM

    @ yeezeevee... Sorry man.. didn't get time to watch videos, as i said reading is more comfortable for me.. but will do.. :-|  plus... i can read and cook for my GF on weekends... watching video will result in "burnt roti & vegitables... damn.. she is vegiterian...

    @Al-alethia........... YES, I'm 'Seriouly" asking this, do you "really" have a problem on my question? Hadith is right when it suits mulsims way if not quran is right.... vice versa..... As i said eaither people are muslim or non mulsim.... so i think i stand correct... Mo can kill his uncle abul lahab as he din't believe him and he nerrates again... Q-111:1-5..... he force war in religious montn and again he justifie... Q-2:214
    Now... like i said in this post.. i'm open to learn and understand... depends how i'm being treated.. or else... i don't give a...... continue pretending to make it a "Forum" by it's defination or else make it a forum like " I just want to discuss what pleases me" rest all are bogot.... ohh yeah... BTW... As soon as Billy told me this is not the right way to discuss.. i edited my post right after few hrs... BUT.. you brought it again after a long hr so i don't understand what u wanted to do... u r athiest.. so whay u worry about what i call MO? if u care so much so u still religious... BUT in any case you should appreciate my adoptability to adjust my post right after the suggestion rather bashing me with my opening mistake... we are here to discuss not to point fingure on each other if we agree to disagree......... ON A BIG NOTE ( yes i'm forced to type in caps which means i'm shouting... I NEVER SAID MUSLIMS ARE NOT HUMAN BEING) so STOP making Ass-u-meing....

    It would really helpful if i get the "BIGOT" award so that i don't have to deal such ASS-u-me by [people...

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #14 - December 09, 2012, 05:13 PM

    Devil Never Cry,

    Imagine we all started writing with weird spelling. Would be annoying right?
    Quote
    u r athiest.. so whay u worry about what i call MO? if u care so much so u still religious

     No, this is an ex-Muslim forum. We kinda agree that religion is BS, so there's no need to prove anything by using mocking spelling. I'm kinda bad at English, so if you write clearly, people like me can read you posts easily thnkyu

    I want to reply to you with a few points.

    Firstly, you seem to believe every Muslim is the same, believes the same, worships the same. Muslims are individuals. Most will pick and choose what part of the religion is convenient to them. Let's not even get to the sects of Islam, because each sect does their own thing. My (ex) sect does not even believe in hadiths. If you try using a hadith to prove your point to say, my dad, he will just dismiss you.

    Many Muslims don't even speak/understand Arabic. They blindly read the Quran and chant what they are taught. It is psychological (compliance, peer pressure etc).

    Muslims do not know the weird and wacky hadiths and Quran verses out there. If they ask, rest assured, the lying scum-bag Islamic scholars will orchestrate some answer to fix any dissent. I personally thought Mohammed was amazing. The most amazing human to walk the earth. When I was introduced to the wonderful world of the internet, I found some very disturbing details. When I told my friend that Aysha was 6 and he was 50, she refused to believe me. The truth is there, anyone can find it if they look. Unfortunately it is an inconvenient truth, and people are much happier hearing about how he stopped the Arabs from burying their daughters and so on. I also didn't know about sex and slavery and Islam until I read and watched material by atheists. So what you're saying is that all my life as a Muslim, I would've known all this. You're simply mistaken.

    I went to an Islamic college for 12 years and I was never taught anything about killing or hate. I was taught morality (don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal etc), and how good god is, and prayers for forgiveness, patience, blabla...Isn't it all just magical? wacko

    Also, isn't it curious, Muslim scholars try to "borrow" liberal philosophy and claim that Islam invented it. Why would they do that?

    You're assertions are too simple. There is no "good" and "bad".
    I look at some of my most devout fiends, and I think they will be atheists in a few years. They are itching to ask questions, just like I started doing a few years ago. Many Muslims are like that. Religion cannot compete with the evil forces of secularism.

    If you really care for a discussion, you should read around this forum before you post. You'd probably find the answers to your questions.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim….?!?!?!
     Reply #15 - December 09, 2012, 05:17 PM

    @Devil Never Cry

    I didn't realize that you edited your post, sorry about that. My point still stands; yes, Muslims are often arbitrarily selective about which Hadiths to follow and which ones to throw out but they're still Muslim. My sister is VERY religious yet when I told her that Islam commands that apostates and blasphemers (who criticize Mo) should be killed she outright rejected it and said the Hadith (sahih Bukhari Hadiths btw) that claimed that were wrong. She didn't even bother to verify their authenticity; she disagreed with them and they went against her understanding that Islam is all rainbows and sunshine so she rejected them. A lot of Muslims -- most of whom are less religious than my sister -- have a similar approach as they approach Hadith with the presupposition that Mo was a nice fella and anything that contradicts that notion is to be rejected as a fabrication.

    Jila's post was excellent btw  Afro

    Could you please rephrase your question for me? From what I understand it's that to be a Muslim is to be an extremist and those Muslims who aren't extremists shouldn't be considered Muslims. I don't think that's the case.
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #16 - December 09, 2012, 05:23 PM

     Afro Devil Never Cry,

    From Al-Alethia's post, you can see that even though her family is a sect who believe in hadiths, they rejected something that went against their own morality. Never mind my family, who will completely dismiss it all. Are you seeing the light now? Tongue

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #17 - December 09, 2012, 05:56 PM

    there are "two to witness" from a female prospective.. and you both complement each other... so should i ( being a male ) be STONED..... HELL NO....

    NO @ JILA & Al-Aletha....my question is very simple... what is GOOD mulsim.... that's all..... A muslims has to be belived "Allh n mo his last messager".... Quran is all abourtwar lords getting sex wih slaves and so on.... mo ( if i use m "small" does it bother anyone if so please do let me me)....you know what.. i started believeing that NOW it's time for ISLAM to understant that there are TWO BIG sects ( other then what is existing)... Was Mo was right in what he does? or he wasn't?......... I just CANT understndt WHERRE two fo you belong.... please don't take it personally... BUT ATHIEST.. you two claims... YET... YOU are fighting for a WARLORD+rapist+psycho.................. is that what EX- Muslim is called....  I REST my case.... with happiness....

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #18 - December 09, 2012, 06:10 PM

     whistling2 Goodbye then.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #19 - December 09, 2012, 06:13 PM

    @ yeezeevee... Sorry man.. didn't get time......................

      that is ok...  but here is a discussion   that may be interesting for you to read Devil

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #20 - December 09, 2012, 06:16 PM

    BUT ATHIEST.. you two claims... YET... YOU are fighting for a WARLORD+rapist+psycho........


    Thank you for confirming that you're a lost cause  Roll Eyes and that all future discussion is futile.
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #21 - December 09, 2012, 06:46 PM

    @ Jila... Make your self happy and get some ballon too.... whistling2
    @ Al-alethis.... why all muslim intellctual always say that... you are certainly not one of them BUT you're one of them... Do i really care about your opinion when it's TOO "closed" for a simple discussion... mmmmmmm let me see how much "cheesee" i have for morning breakfast... i might tell you.... RIP...
    @yezeevee... Man.... you're fuvcking shit... like i said we have a saying in corportate buiness where no religion no ethicnic or no shit works.... i tell... if we were in a pre "internet" era.... i would hav estarted the shit.. like..... ya illa yeezevee illaah.. devil is resullilah.... Not being biased... I just go by facts and data.. sory.... this is me... when i don't care about my hindu religion and out of blue when some one scintifically dais i idol can drink milk,.... u wont belive Yeezeevee... we had " SO MUCH KHEER" EAT. LOLO.... i don't want every one to undersand what is what..i'm just here for a Discussion......

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #22 - December 09, 2012, 08:00 PM

    Firstly, you seem to believe every Muslim is the same, believes the same, worships the same. Muslims are individuals. Most will pick and choose what part of the religion is convenient to them. Let's not even get to the sects of Islam, because each sect does their own thing. My (ex) sect does not even believe in hadiths. If you try using a hadith to prove your point to say, my dad, he will just dismiss you.



    Yes ! Indeed, but this truth is clouded by the fiction of the 'ummah' which seeks to portray Islam as a one big monolith. In fact what you have said of Muslims applies to followers of any religion. But the Muslims themselves seem to like to delude themselves that they are different. Of course a closer inspection would easily dispel all the homogeneity myths.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim….?!?!?!
     Reply #23 - December 09, 2012, 08:17 PM

    I can't every so ca;lled "pretending to be EX muslim" anser what i did earlier.......... Answer remains the same... you give me better equation or else.... admit that SHI is SHit

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #24 - December 09, 2012, 08:26 PM

    Use your fingers to type instead of rolling your retard face all over the keyboard.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim….?!?!?!
     Reply #25 - December 09, 2012, 08:33 PM

    WTF. do you realy have that much of time to fucking educate a person like me by liken n shit,.... WTF youexpect.......  i could just read initals and i had to stop as IT is too aginst the world peace and so called fucking human rights./. are u sick.. are youmade... you see what other's dopnt see... AND YET YOU SIT IN the forum of INTELLECTUALS.... have you goen mad....... WTF........... Do you really belive that all these so called  moderate/liberate/n so caled progressive muslims do really know what is being a human...

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim….?!?!?!
     Reply #26 - December 09, 2012, 08:36 PM

    @ Jila... Make your self happy and get some ballon too.... whistling2
    @ Al-alethis.... why all muslim intellctual always say that... you are certainly not one of them BUT you're one of them... Do i really care about your opinion when it's TOO "closed" for a simple discussion... mmmmmmm let me see how much "cheesee" i have for morning breakfast... i might tell you.... RIP...
    @yezeevee... Man.... you're fuvcking shit... like i said we have a saying in corportate buiness where no religion no ethicnic or no shit works.... i tell... if we were in a pre "internet" era.... i would hav estarted the shit.. like..... ya illa yeezevee illaah.. devil is resullilah.... Not being biased... I just go by facts and data.. sory.... this is me... when i don't care about my hindu religion and out of blue when some one scintifically dais i idol can drink milk,.... u wont belive Yeezeevee... we had " SO MUCH KHEER" EAT. LOLO.... i don't want every one to undersand what is what..i'm just here for a Discussion......


    Devil  stop crying ...  Well either I am fucking or I am shitting ., I can not do both at the same time  ., Those two don't go together with me..

    I know you are here for discussion but cool down and rewrite the post. changing all those letters. I know hindus and I am related to them Devil.. But what is there in Islam? it is just  one millionth of hinduism .. you know one god divided by million gods..  what I like about hindusim is its goddesses  ......

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim….?!?!?!
     Reply #27 - December 09, 2012, 08:37 PM

    may be it's high time that you know the advantage of fingers and thumbs...

    wondering what should be here as what is today good not necessarly good tomorrow
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim….?!?!?!
     Reply #28 - December 09, 2012, 08:37 PM

    WTF. do you realy have that much of time to fucking educate a person like me by liken n shit,.... WTF youexpect.......  i could just read initals and i had to stop as IT is too aginst the world peace and so called fucking human rights./. are u sick.. are youmade... you see what other's dopnt see... AND YET YOU SIT IN the forum of INTELLECTUALS.... have you goen mad....... WTF........... Do you really belive that all these so called  moderate/liberate/n so caled progressive muslims do really know what is being a human...


    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Good Muslim, moderate Muslim, liberal Muslim, extremist Muslim?.?!?!?!
     Reply #29 - December 09, 2012, 08:56 PM

    i agree.. i'm just "less educated then most of you" but the poit is ...  whistling2..... do u really bash me for what i JUST did as i POSTER to be in a forum or you will hve an opinion about me... honsly i don't give a shit  BUT i don't want to miss on a educating debate.... that';s all

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