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  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     OP - December 13, 2012, 12:21 PM
    Islam is not a religion for women...why am i asking this.

    Well,islam infringed on my human rights....the right to equal inheritance and the right to marry whom i please among others..

  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #1 - December 13, 2012, 12:25 PM
    Yeah, an odd thing why women stay in Islam and the female converts...well converts it's not too surprising since they don't have the baggage of the Islamic family community to deal with and can nit-pick parts of the regligion they like and it's not a big deal if they change their minds later on either and decide to leave, the rest of us have to deal with the shitty parts.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #2 - December 13, 2012, 12:43 PM
    I think all women should, but all women won't.  Women raised within Islam have been socially conditioned to be ok with it, sometimes to even embrace it.  They truly believe that Islam gives them rights, not that it takes them away from them.

    Only education helps, and even then it's not guarantee, since I know educated women who are still muslims.  Just muslims trapped at home with degrees that they can't use because they are women. 

    I'm not sure what it would take.  For me it took a massive slap in the face, the experience of the darker face of Islam, that rammed home just what I had lost as a woman within islam.  Again, even that doesn't work for all women.  Same as bused women will stay with a spouse, sometimes for the rest of their life.

    That wake up call comes for people in different ways.  Just a shame I couldn't find the perfect way, the ultimate thing to say, to affect them all and wake them up to their lives. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #3 - December 13, 2012, 02:20 PM
    Hmm, I think it boils down to fear and comfort zone. People are afraid of stepping out from what they grew up with and something that they learnt and built their foundation of life on -to question the very foundations is to really shake up a whole load of things in your life, particularly if it's webbed in with every part. You built your confidence, ego, on this foundation making it harder to admit that you were wrong and deceived. Every decision you made based on this lie...

    The easier route is to make the assumption of the default being true and grow yourself on that. Stay comfortable, confident in your own reality framework. Within this frame you allow for certain flexibility, to suit modern times, to be human.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #4 - December 15, 2012, 07:50 PM
    That's something I never understood. You have many Muslim ladies with degrees, but most don't seem to do anything progressive with it. From what I hear University is just a way for Muslim ladies to be away from home for awhile. Once it's over, most are ready and eager to get married and settle into family life  Huh?
    What's up with that
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  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #5 - December 15, 2012, 09:23 PM
    Because it's easier to be brain dead than to apply yourself.

    I suppose some women are just pressured into it by family to get married and 'prioritize'
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #6 - December 16, 2012, 12:04 PM
    Quote from: Sakura02 on December 15, 2012, 07:50 PM
    That's something I never understood. You have many Muslim ladies with degrees, but most don't seem to do anything progressive with it. From what I hear University is just a way for Muslim ladies to be away from home for awhile. Once it's over, most are ready and eager to get married and settle into family life  Huh?
    What's up with that


    the same thing that is up with loads of women, not even muslim ones, who have been socially conditioned to see marriage as the ultimate thing to aim for along with a family.

    It's not just muslim women who give up life for marriage after education, in fact I'd dare say a majority of women still place marriage and kids at the top of their priorities, women who work, women who choose not to marry, and not to have kids are in the minority.

    Switch on a disney cartoon film, read a fairy tale story, watch movies, read the quran, get told by your parents and society all the time about the "day you get married" and it's easy to see what's up with that.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #7 - December 16, 2012, 01:06 PM

    Absolutely!
  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #8 - December 16, 2012, 01:20 PM
    Quote from: Sakura02 on December 15, 2012, 07:50 PM
    That's something I never understood. You have many Muslim ladies with degrees, but most don't seem to do anything progressive with it. From what I hear University is just a way for Muslim ladies to be away from home for awhile. Once it's over, most are ready and eager to get married and settle into family life  Huh?
    What's up with that


    It's like what stardust said some are pressured into it by family and society - in addition to that- .However in some cases it all comes down to choices, some do want to genuinely get married and have a family without any pressure from their family or society and there is nothing wrong with that.
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  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #9 - December 16, 2012, 02:13 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 16, 2012, 12:04 PM
    the same thing that is up with loads of women, not even muslim ones, who have been socially conditioned to see marriage as the ultimate thing to aim for along with a family.

    It's not just muslim women who give up life for marriage after education, in fact I'd dare say a majority of women still place marriage and kids at the top of their priorities, women who work, women who choose not to marry, and not to have kids are in the minority.

    Switch on a disney cartoon film, read a fairy tale story, watch movies, read the quran, get told by your parents and society all the time about the "day you get married" and it's easy to see what's up with that.


    Yup, women all over the world are constantly immersed in overt and subtle messages about how marriage and motherhood is the ultimate aim in life.  banghead
  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #10 - December 16, 2012, 03:31 PM


    So true.. Even in the west women have become superwomen in order to keep a degree of independence and meet their responsibilities as mothers.  I think its our own biological clocks in overdrive that give men the opportunity. Were like bugs that can't stop reproducing!!

    All I think about since becoming divorced is sex!
  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #11 - December 16, 2012, 07:52 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 16, 2012, 12:04 PM
    the same thing that is up with loads of women, not even muslim ones, who have been socially conditioned to see marriage as the ultimate thing to aim for along with a family.

    It's not just muslim women who give up life for marriage after education, in fact I'd dare say a majority of women still place marriage and kids at the top of their priorities, women who work, women who choose not to marry, and not to have kids are in the minority.

    Switch on a disney cartoon film, read a fairy tale story, watch movies, read the quran, get told by your parents and society all the time about the "day you get married" and it's easy to see what's up with that.


    To be honest, large scale I think that is me, cause people and connections matter more to me than a career. A job is only to bring money in, and you are very lucky to get one you love. You can be fulfilled without a career, for example doing charity work. I have had broody feelings since I was 16 and am now 21, very hard situation.
  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #12 - December 17, 2012, 08:45 PM
    yeah you have a point it's not just Muslim women. But the different is at least in the West there is this growing awareness of gender roles and society has been trying to move away from that. I say if a woman wants to settle into family life then that's her choice and there is nothing wrong with making family a priority.

    My confusion is why go through all the trouble of being educated, for a career you know you're going to have a hard time getting into your career because of the male dominated society (This is referring to Universities in the Middle East). It almost seems like an illusion to Muslim women, holding a carrot to their faces as hope of being 'free' and 'educated'. Then once University is over status quo. 
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • The plight of women in islam....should all women leave islam ?
     Reply #13 - December 22, 2012, 04:22 PM
    Quote from: Sakura02 on December 15, 2012, 07:50 PM
    That's something I never understood. You have many Muslim ladies with degrees, but most don't seem to do anything progressive with it. From what I hear University is just a way for Muslim ladies to be away from home for awhile...
    What's up with that


    I heard some muslim imams say that a muslim women needs a good education so she can stay at home and provide her children with a good education.  Roll Eyes

    I wanted to yell out. That's what schools are for you dumbf***. 
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
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