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 Topic: Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester

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  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #30 - December 23, 2012, 10:34 PM


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #31 - December 24, 2012, 03:27 AM

    ^That's oddly true. Remember "Piss Christ"? That shit was art but cartoons depicting Mo unflatteringly are "hate". 
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #32 - December 28, 2012, 01:22 PM

    I think they are being out competed in the 'tolerance and peace' by Christians. I'm not Christian any more but even I found 'piss christ' questionable. I don't get it!! How is a stupid book made of paper and ink so much more important than a human life. If it was any other book a single person was fussing over, it'd be deemed a mental illness of unhealthy obsession.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #33 - January 05, 2013, 02:12 PM

    maybe littering could be his only crime

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #34 - January 05, 2013, 02:32 PM

    well the luton protesters were making claims without basis about people and accusing brit soldiers of unproven crimes to the point that could be considered libelous or defamatory. whereas the atheist guy was only criticising an idea. if he shouted that these muslims were by definition killers or terrorists then he could be hauled up on the same basis as the luton lot.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #35 - January 05, 2013, 05:24 PM

    isnt he just saying in public what we say in private?

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #36 - January 05, 2013, 06:49 PM

    Well if he really did make a gun sign and said "see you next saturday" then I think you could count that as a threat. I know if someone did that with me I would be afraid and not want him around.

    Also if the book really did almost hit someone then that wouldn't be very good. Mind you the people handing out the books could have just said it "nearly hit them" when in reality it was nowhere close (people on the defence seem to like doing stupid shit like that).

    He was also definitely littering.

    "causing religiously aggravated intentional harassment, alarm or distress, by demonstrating hostility based on membership of a particular religious group, Islam." sounds like bullshit to me. I'm sure if an Imam was calling for the death of the infidels he wouldn't get shit for it.
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #37 - January 08, 2013, 12:52 AM

    Fingers crossed, after successful passage through the Lords, the bill to amend Section 5 of the POA may just make it through the commons, against the wishes of both the government and, bizarrely, the majority of Labour MPs:

    "Government set for defeat on Section 5, polling suggests
    MPs are set to back the move to drop the term ‘insulting’ from Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986, according to a new poll by leading opinion pollster, ComRes.

    The survey found a majority of both Conservative and Liberal Democrats – 79 per cent and 70 per cent respectively – back the reform, with support among Labour MPs at 31 per cent.

    The survey of 154 MPs comes in the wake of the Government’s defeat in the House of Lords last month, which saw Peers vote overwhelmingly in support of Lord Dear’s amendment to reform Section 5.

    The amendment has now been incorporated into Clause 38 of the Crime and Courts Bill, which is due to go before the House of Commons on 14 January.

    Pressure further mounted against the Government following the news that Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer, rejected their claim that amending the legislation would hinder prosecutions against hooligans and yobs.

    In a letter to Lord Dear, the former Chief Constable for the West Midlands, Mr Starmer explained, “having now considered the case in greater depth, we are unable to identify a case in which the alleged behaviour leading to conviction could not properly be characterised as “abusive” as well as “insulting”.

    “I therefore agree that the word “insulting” could safely be removed without the risk of undermining the ability of the CPS to bring prosecutions…”

    Simon Calvert, RS5 Campaign Director said: “Day by day the pressure is mounting on the Government to ditch this legislation that criminalises free speech.

    “What is disappointing is that even now the Home Office continue to push the line that if they remove the word “insulting” then they would not be able to prosecute hooligans and yobs who swear at the police. As this letter from the DPP shows that is simply not true.

    “A majority of parliamentarians from both the Lords and the Commons recognise that this legislation should be reformed. It’s about time the Government recognised that dropping the word “insulting” from the law will stop innocent people being from being arrested and hauled before the Courts without harming the ability of police and prosecutors to protect the public. The move is sensible, popular, and they should get on with it.”

    Mr Calvert concluded by saying, “The campaign has united a diverse range of campaigners, MPs from the left and right, faith-based groups, secularists and comedians. It cannot be right that the collective voices of so many continue to be ignored. We hope the Government will see sense later this month and allow this legislation to be reformed.”"

    http://reformsection5.org.uk/2013/01/government-set-for-defeat-on-section-5-polling-suggests/
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #38 - January 08, 2013, 01:02 AM

    - snip-


    That's awesome! Grin

    Good to know progress is being made in the UK. I'm pretty sure the police can handle a few bad words. Tongue
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #39 - January 08, 2013, 01:09 AM

    bizarrely, the majority of Labour MPs


    Chris, why do you think its bizarre? The last 15 years have taught me to expect nothing much from Labour on matters like this.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #40 - January 08, 2013, 02:30 AM

    I said bizarre because we have a piece of legislation opposed by the government, yet backed by the majority of the government coalition MPs, and opposed by the majority of MPs in the Labour party, (who seem to often vote for anything that'll embarrass the government regardless of consequence or ideological conflict).
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #41 - January 08, 2013, 02:49 PM

    Ah I see. Gotcha.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #42 - April 09, 2013, 08:55 PM

    The court case should only have been  brought by the 'victim' of the insult (namely the 'all powerful' god of the quran).

    No plaintiff, no victim, no crime.

    Perhaps it was his use of the word bollocks/bullshit in public that could be considered insulting. The only other charge he could be guilty of is littering.

    Could this law also be used to silence political disagreements under the charge of 'alarm or distress', Could be a precedent. There was no criminal case involving the Jerry Springer or the Mormons musical, even though people were within their rights to disagree.

    I think their needs to be differentiation between insulting a human (who can be vulnerable or feel real distress) and an 'omnipotent deity' who should be more than capable or handling himself no? I mean, lets bear in mind this god has vowed to torture the atheist in hell FOREVER!!! (if this isn't hostile and insulting I don't know what is) Maybe the atheist can file a counter claim of 'hostile and insulting language and threats' and haul god into court too? I mean believers constantly bring up the hell thing with glee but are never arrested. (and nor should they be)

    To make sure you negate such accusations you should tend to diss the god, and praise the believer, ie "You are SOOOOO much better than, and morally superior to, your god", then you cant be accused of insulting a person. Unless of course they deserve it!

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #43 - April 09, 2013, 09:00 PM

    Let's be honest. The crime in this case was blasphemy.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #44 - April 09, 2013, 09:06 PM

    People need protecting from hostility, not gods or ideas.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #45 - April 09, 2013, 09:09 PM

    Just thought..... could this interpretation of the law be used by a satan-worshipper against a street preacher who denounces Beelzebub?

    Would be an interesting test case. Hopefully reason  will prevail and both Satanists and the God Squad get told to grow up and deal with it.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #46 - April 10, 2013, 03:56 PM

    I don't think that's an offence that should be prosecuted, but that guy's a disrespectful idiot.
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #47 - April 10, 2013, 03:57 PM

    Let's be honest. The crime in this case was blasphemy.


    ditto
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #48 - May 19, 2013, 02:22 PM

    Why was this guy prosecuted?

    Azhar Ahmed, 20, of Fir Avenue, Ravensthorpe, West Yorkshire, was found guilty in September of making a grossly offensive comment on facebook.
    (Couldn't post a link to the news article).
  • Atheist in court for ripping up Koran at stall in Leicester
     Reply #49 - June 09, 2013, 08:30 AM

    Criticism and rejection of Islam in all glory, but why act like obnoxious children? There is always this infantile obnoxious behavior by new-age atheists, who need to assert themselves and be obnoxious for some reason. Whether it's justified as symbolic, satirical or anything else.  This provocative and "in-your-face" behavior is so childish and obnoxious. Especially when these actions are bigoted and often refer to cultural stereotypes rather than the religion(I don't know how many times stupid "critics of islam" go around attacking muslim nations rather than islam),  It destroys any chance for reasonable and fence-sitting muslims to reconsider their religion. If I was a religious muslim and someone did that infront of me, I'd think that person is a degenerate. It's not a way to reach out to people. You don't score points by humiliating people.

    They should charge him for public idiocy.
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