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  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     OP - January 28, 2013, 05:40 PM

    As an ex-Jehovah's Witness (Christian) growing up in the west my exposure to other religions was minimal to say the least, the little that I did learn was tainted by what the faithful and discreet slave wanted it's followers to believe.
     I went to the Kingdom Hall (church) and had a personal bible study using the literature that the watchtower put out, this literature was very slanted towards the JW theological teachings, because of this I never had the benefit of an unbiased opinion to compare what I was taught. The internet did not exist then and I was not allowed to read other religious literature. I opened my eyes to the world when I began to rebel against my parents control, and slowly I distanced myself from the JW's.  (My atrocious behavior and controversial views helped alot)  grin12
     My first shocking realization was that Jesus was a Jew!  Shocked You might think that's silly because I should have already known that from reading the bible, however Christianity teaches us that Jesus is a Christian (the first one) and they do not place any emphasis on the fact that he was born to a Jewish woman (that's the only way you can truly be Jewish) and that he was actually a circumcised, practicing Jewish Rabbi.
    Christianity has effectively transformed Jesus into a white non semitic Christian and his background is not to be paid attention too unless it's something that can be used by the Christians to their benefit. In doing my research  I became more confused because Jesus was only rejected by the Pharisees that felt he was committing blasphemy and rejected him as the Messiah, not because they hated him for being a Christian.
      I wondered how could Jews have become so hated when the man that Christians worship was himself a Jew?   Thinking hard
    I felt bamboozled, there was so much that  I did not  know about other religions and because I was so disgusted with my own upbringing I vowed to stop researching other beliefs because what's the point when they all twist the words to suit themselves.
    About 2 years ago I met some Muslims and began to learn more about Islam and I was very surprised to learn that the quran spoke of Jesus and Mary and other apostles who they referred to as prophets. Before learning more about Islam I thought that Mo was like an apostle however I noticed that  Muslims revered his name and used it in prayer, so I came to the conclusion that Mo was more like what Jesus meant to the Christians, and that allah was the name of the god they worshiped that made you cover your head.
    I never once considered that allah was supposed to be the same god of the Jews and Christians.
    After researching Islam on the net I noticed that the quran borrowed heavily from the tanakh and tulmud just like Christianity did before Islam existed.
     I wonder to myself now just how many Muslims are in the same situation I was in before, being spoon fed religion that claims supremacy when in reality it's origins come from the original Abrahamic religion that the Hebrews believed in, without really disclosing that to it's adherents.
     I now consider myself to be an agnostic atheist and I reject all religious teachings but part of me believes that it's possible that some highly developed entity could have been responsible for our creation or evolution but I do not believe that it's a god that requires veneration from us if it even exists.
    So in conclusion what did you think other religions were about before you discovered the truth?




     

    Women are the only exploited group in history to have been idealized into powerlessness.
    ―Erica Jong
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #1 - January 28, 2013, 06:16 PM

    This is a very interesting question. I thought Judaism was the correct religion from Allah until it reached its used by date when Jesus came, then Christianity was all the rage until Muhammad came and now Islam is where it's at.

    Of course this simplistic explanation stopped satisfying me when I got older and more curious. The more one compares the stories of the prophets of Islam as they are told in the Quran with the stories of the same prophets in Judaeo-Christian scripture the more apparent it becomes that Islam is just a botched up, mangled cheaper copy of the older religions.

    Why would god keep allowing his message to be corrupted? Why no prophecies in Judaeo-Christian scripture telling of the coming of Muhammad/Islam? It makes no sense for god to change his mind at a whim without so much as a prophecy warning his believers (Jews and Christians) that the rules are going to change and another prophet will be sent. Instead he decides to allow books to be "corrupted" and damns billions of people to hell as a result wacko
    What an ass!
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #2 - January 28, 2013, 07:23 PM

    ^ How could god have allowed his word to become so diluted and disputed has always been a tough pill to swallow for me.
     I always questioned how could god have allowed mankind to became imperfect since the bible teaches us that god is almighty and perfect, yet here we are divided by conflicting ideologies spanning thousands of years.

     Religions are quick to blame weak humans and promise that god will correct what we have corrupted....if we worship him properly.
    Another common thread here is that some Christians sects believe that all of mankind were in fact already Christians and I see that Muslims believe that everyone is born a Muslim and must revert back.


    Women are the only exploited group in history to have been idealized into powerlessness.
    ―Erica Jong
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #3 - January 28, 2013, 10:59 PM

    Sometimes I hate the inner writer trapped inside of me. I read this question, got intrigued, and then started writing this tirade of autobiographical accounts spanning from my parent’s introduction to Islam all the way up to how I became a salafi. Looking over what I just read, I’m not sure it has any relevance to the question you asked. But I can’t be bothered to edit it! I hope you find some answers to your question somewhere below:

    This is a great post, MB. Thank you very much for sharing. I’ll take some time to add my own reflections as well.

    My upbringing was very unique, I believe. Long before I was born, my parents were swept up by the Black Nationalist fervor that was so prevalent in the 60’s. My mother’s family are deeply religious Southern Baptists, originally hailing from the deep southern state of Georgia and settling just outside of New York City in the 50s. My mother used to tell me about segregation and the overt racism that they faced in Georgia, with detail that is still difficult for me to fully comprehend. Her father was a Christian preacher and the family was threatened by white supremacists and the KKK.

    Looking back on it, it is not hard for me to see how blacks could have become radicalized back then. Given the importance of the church and scripture in their day to day lives, it is also not hard for me to see how when Elijah Muhammad started claiming prophethood—and placing himself in the same vein of messengers as Abraham, Moses, and Jesus—people believed him. My mother told me that when she read the Qur’an and saw that all of the prophets that she grew up believing in were also revered in Muslim scriptures, it was not a very difficult transition. Furthermore, rejecting the Christian religion of the “white man” and his divine “white Jesus” must have been extremely liberating. Having charismatic black American preachers like Malcolm X eloquently making the case for the new faith must have helped as well. To her, the religion did not seem foreign at all. It was a very grassroots movement, and she was a part of it. Growing up in the shadow of Genesis and Exodus, why would the God of the Old Testament not send a messenger to the downtrodden blacks, to liberate them and lead them to the light, just as he had done with the downtrodden Israelites before? That is very much how they viewed themselves, and I get the sense they loved being a part of such a “sacred” movement.

    The love affair was short lived, however. After the sex scandal with Elijah Muhammad and the assassination of Malcolm X, many of Elijah’s followers abandoned him for a more “orthodox” Sunni Islam. My mother also made the transition. This new religion was certainly not native, but it had a legacy and history to it that lent it credibility. Draped in the familiar backdrop of Israelite prophecy, Islam still had a mystery to it that must have been captivating. The ancient rituals, the strange language, the foreign clothes—the whole thing must have been enticing in the way that most things not fully comprehensible tend to be, at least to curious minds. It was not the faith of the “white oppressors” and it was not the faith of the “heathen pagans.” This was the faith of God--the real God, the eternal God, the God of all races that they already believed in.


    Enter me. I was born shortly after my parents made their first Pilgrimage to Makkah.  Islam had not yet grown in the US to what it is today. There were very small African American convert communities, as well as small congregations of foreign students and refugees. Islam was, to me, almost like a Christianity with a twist. Everyone had their religion; ours was just a little different—and ours happened to be the correct one. Everyone else had just gotten it wrong. I remember being a kid and watching the children in my neighborhood go to church, all dressed up and dapper, while we prayed at a small store-front mosque in Arabic.

    I remember my Aunts and Uncles, who were Christian, talk about the bible and the stories of the Israelite prophets and I remember going to the Mosque and hearing those same stories. Of course, there were minor differences. But on the whole, I grew up to believe that Islam was really just a correction of the “corrupted” creed of Christianity.

    Once I got into college, I deliberately took classes in comparative religion. At the same time, I was becoming more and more influenced by the writings of Bilal Phillips and the Islamic concept of Tawheed. (I’ll explain what that is in just a moment.) I think I needed to know what made my religion so special. Should I even bother continuing to claim it? I had heard Muslims talk about values, but all religions talked about values. I had heard Muslims talk about scientific achievements, but surely, if scientific achievement was any sign of divine favor, then the US in the 20th century must have been the holiest nation on the planet. Every religion tells you to be a good person, to love your neighbor, to give money to the poor, yada yada yada. Why did I need Islam?

    That is why tawheed was so attractive. The concept of tawheed essentially means that because God singlehandedly does those things that only he can do: creating, causing life, causing death, administrating the laws of the universe, etc, then only God deserves to be worshiped.

     Tawheed could be violated by either believing that any force other than God could do those things that only God can do, or by dedicating acts of worship to anything other than God.

    Worship is defined as any words or actions that please God and are in accordance with his legislation as reveled to his prophets.

     In this light, it became easier for me to see why Islam was unique. Christians ascribed divinity to Jesus, thereby violating tawheed. Hindus worshiped idols, which was of course a violation of tawheed. Jews worshiped one God, but their rejection of messengers like Jesus and Muhammad meant that they were not worshipping according to God’s legislation—which was, of course, a violation of Tawheed.

    Even many Muslim sects were guilty of violating tawheed. Those who believed that saints could answer their prayers, those who venerated relics, those who prayed at graves while believing they had power to help or harm, in the Muslim world, there was a variety of examples of how people had violated Tawheed.

    This whole thing made a lot of sense to me at the time. The wahabis of Saudi Arabia seemed to have this concept of Tawheed down to a tee, and I got swept up in their puritanical propaganda.
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #4 - January 28, 2013, 11:48 PM

    I'd read you book ^^^

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #5 - January 28, 2013, 11:52 PM

    I was gonna edit this to a one-liner, but billy already commented on it lol. Oh well, you guys are stuck with the rant.
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #6 - January 28, 2013, 11:55 PM

    ^I would seriously read your book, if you wrote one. WRITE A BOOK!
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #7 - January 28, 2013, 11:58 PM

    ^ditto..  popcorn waiting!!!
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #8 - January 29, 2013, 12:13 AM

    Haha, thanks for the encouragement guys. I have considered it, but I think that whatever story I may have to tell is still really only half finished. There is still more life to live, I hope, and I have no idea how the story ends (or if it will even be worth reading once it does.) I don’t know that I’ve reached that point in my life where I feel that I am worth being documented. Till then, I’ll continue to grace you guys with my long-winded rants.   Cheesy
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #9 - January 29, 2013, 12:17 AM

    Either way keep writing even if it is just a diary kind of thing so that you have material down for later

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #10 - January 29, 2013, 01:04 AM

    Till then, I’ll continue to grace you guys with my long-winded rants.   Cheesy


    Me likee popcorn
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #11 - January 29, 2013, 02:35 AM

    happymurtad,
    Thank you for sharing your story  Afro it was not off topic at all.
    We still have a lot of African Americans converting to Islam and they are not the only minority group converting due to discrimination here in the U.S.
    Your experiences can positively influence peoples lives before it's too late. I personally would love to read some more about your experiences with Islam.

    Women are the only exploited group in history to have been idealized into powerlessness.
    ―Erica Jong
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #12 - January 29, 2013, 03:08 PM

    As to the original question.

    I thought they were all rubbish, and that hasn't really changed, except now I believe that Islam is just as rubbish, as I do buddhism, which surprisingly I was open to as a muslim and didn't think was rubbish.

    I thought it seemed peaceful and fascinating. 

    It's the one religion I never had a judgement against whilst I was a muslim, even though I knew it's not one of the book religions therefore even lower in Islam's eyes, I was actually often tempted to look into it, since a part of me thought Islam never made sense on many levels.

    But people don't leave Islam, at least that's what I used to believe.  Grin


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #13 - January 29, 2013, 03:22 PM

    I thought everything other than Judaism or Christianity was inherently batshit. Sikhs worship hair, Hindus worship cows, Buddhists worship Buddha, etc. 

    I think (Reform) Judaism was to me as a Muslim what Buddhism was to Berbs. Though I didn't think too much about Judaism, I actually found it quite fascinating and quite liked Reform Judaism when I looked into it a bit. Being a Pascal's Wager Muslim for a while I very much respected people who believed and practiced because they sincerely wanted to exalt god and not because they were afraid of fiery eternal torture. I couldn't even understand it. Why would you bother if there's no punishment for not bothering? 
     
    Christianity has always been LOL. Sorry to any Christians in this joint but I always found it hilarious. It's like Islam's mentally deficient older brother. He loves everyone and is nice most of the time but doesn't make any sense. I'll give Christianity cuteness (that is, the harmless, Jesus-loves-everyone variety that predominates in Australia) if you ignore it's history…
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #14 - January 29, 2013, 07:43 PM

    @BerberElla & Al-Alethia,
    I found Buddhism interesting at first because it looked like a peaceful religion, but it did not manage to captivate me.
    Sikhism never interested me because of the attire and Hindu's worship cows, while I worship porterhouse steaks, so yeah that 's not going to work out. 
     Catholicism can be difficult to comprehend due to it's various forms of worship, the trinity, Christ, the Virgin Mary, the Pope etc...
    Fundamentalist Christians are insane and scary.

    happymurtad
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    I think religion in general blinds people to the things they don’t want to see.

    ^This.

    I was under the impression that Muslims were not racist, that was until I read some hadiths or quarn passages about how only white or light skinned people will enter paradise, it stated that allah would fix them or something to that effect, and at the time I did not know about Islams views on slavery.
    After reading that I had a hard time understanding how the whole Malcolm X movement came about, but you covered that for me.
     thnkyu



    Women are the only exploited group in history to have been idealized into powerlessness.
    ―Erica Jong
  • What did you think other religions were about before?
     Reply #15 - January 30, 2013, 02:39 PM

    I used to think that Judaism was the closest thing to Islam. Apart from that all Christians were doomed to hell for worshipping Jesus as well people from all other religions, especially Hindus and Atheists/Agnostics. The idea of people not believing in a God was alien to me until I turned 15 and even then I couldn'nt comprehend it.

    Before that i simply assumed that all English/Europeans were Christians lol and the rest were either Jewish or muslim converts with many minority muslim populations.

    However i really hated Ahmadi muslims. There was a poor guy I knew back in secondary/high school who happened to be an Ahmadi and me and my friends (who all happened to be Sunni muslims) used to bully the guy by making fun of his Prophet. I hate myself for doing that but realise that I was very immature back then, brainwashed by Islam and influenced by Muslims around me.
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