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  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     OP - February 05, 2013, 01:59 AM
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    The drama of this life is not complete; there must be a second scene to it, for we see the tyrant and his victims without seeing justice being executed. We see the conqueror and the subjugated, without the latter finding any revenge. Therefore there must be another world, where justice will be carried out.

    It's going around on FB, but when I google it, it's only on Islamic sites?
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    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #1 - February 05, 2013, 02:08 AM
    Dunno if Kant said it or not, but Kant wasn't always right anyway. Wink
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  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #2 - February 05, 2013, 02:11 AM
    If they are his words it could be him describing the reason why belief in an afterlife existed without his endorsing this reasoning - the notion that it held out the promise of a simplistic kind of 'justice' when life was nasty, brutish and short.

    In other words, possibly taken out of context to try and bolster the self esteem of believers with random quotes from non Muslims

    Why don't these instant Kant-quoters actually read some of his books............ah problems begin right there

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  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #3 - February 05, 2013, 02:15 AM
    Kant was a believing Christian, BTW. So was Pascal. Anytime Muslims use either of those, or Thomas Aquinas, or Kierkegaard, they're not making a case for Islam. They're making a case for Christianity.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #4 - February 05, 2013, 02:24 AM
    This is a quote from 'Don't Be Sad', a book by Aaidh ibn Abdullah al-Qarni, who doesn't even provide a source for it.

    As for Kant's religious beliefs:

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    3.9 Kant's criticisms of organized religion

    Kant sees a significant negative side in the concrete, historical character of the human reception of the religion of reason and its ancillary revelation. It is subject to the same dynamic of self-serving corruption that is the mark of radical evil. In consequence, Kant articulates in Book Four some of his strongest criticisms of the organization and practices of Christianity that encourage what he sees as a religion of counterfeit service to God. Among the major targets of his criticism are external ritual, superstition and a hierarchical church order. He sees all of these as efforts to make oneself pleasing to God in ways other than conscientious adherence to the principle of moral rightness in the choice of one's actions. The severity of Kant's criticisms on these matters, along with his rejection of the possibility of theoretical proofs for the existence of God and his philosophical re-interpretation of some basic Christian doctrines, have provided the basis for interpretations that see Kant as thoroughly hostile to religion in general and Christianity in particular (e.g., Walsh 1967). Other interpreters see Kant as trying to mark off a defensible rational core of Christian belief, but offer differing judgements about the success of his efforts. Some (e.g., Michalson 1999) evaluate these efforts as self-defeating, paving the way for a more radical denial of God such as Nietzsche's. Others (e.g., Collins 1967; Wood 1992) see Kant articulating an account of the dynamics linking morality and religious belief that has positive value for a believer's reflective appropriation and practice of faith.

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-religion/#3.9
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #5 - February 05, 2013, 02:27 AM
    Kant criticized aspects of "organized religion" and Christianity but at the end of the day his ideas were very much based on Christianity and his idea of God (although rather deistic) was very Christian.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #6 - February 05, 2013, 08:16 AM
    Thanks for the replies, they all help. I've concluded it's a BS quote because I  clicked every result and it was always by a Muslim. On the point that he was Christian, it's curious that I didn't come across Xtian sites (mis)using that quote =.='
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #7 - February 05, 2013, 11:21 AM
    I'm afraid it is too late to try to convert Kant using his own logic.
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #8 - February 05, 2013, 12:56 PM
    Aren't Kant's arguments used Against the Kalam Kosmological Argument??

    I am not sure if he was a Christian or not but I have encountered his Counter Kalam Cosmological arguments in many debates,
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #9 - February 05, 2013, 12:59 PM
    He was all over the place.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #10 - February 05, 2013, 01:00 PM
    He was a bit of a Kant.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #11 - February 05, 2013, 01:44 PM
     Cheesy
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #12 - February 05, 2013, 03:38 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 05, 2013, 01:00 PM
    He was a bit of a Kant.


     Cheesy
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #13 - February 05, 2013, 09:41 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 05, 2013, 01:00 PM
    He was a bit of a Kant.


     Cheesy
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #14 - February 05, 2013, 11:55 PM
    The simplistic argument for the need for “justice” screams out to me that this quote is a fake. Why do people have such a problem accepting that life is not fair? Belief in an Islamic-style after life does nothing to solve this problem either. In fact, for most of the world’s downtrodden, oppressed and miserable humans, this life is INFINITELY better than what awaits them in an Islamic afterlife. From the untouchables of India to the homeless of Chicago, nothingness would be an infinitely better state after death than jahannam.

    What did trouble me, as I began to loose my faith in God, was not the problem of injustice, but the idea of not being witnessed. It was (and sometimes still is) hard
    for me to fathom the idea that through out all of the absolutely amazing and awe inspiring things that have happened since the Big Bang, as far as we know, we are the only ones intelligent enough to appreciate any of it. And we have only begun to do so, and only recently. From the destruction of stars to the formation of planets, none of it really mattered to anyone or anything, until now. We are the only ones capable of even noticing. And if we were to one day go the way of the dinosaurs, either by way of a rogue comet or through our own destructive devices, there would be no one out there to care. The universe would continue on, unnoticed, just as it had for 14 billion years before us. To me, that is mind blowing.  
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #15 - February 06, 2013, 01:11 AM
    Kinda cool, innit? Smiley

    Had to laugh at us getting wiped by a "rogue commit". Reminded me of the time I wiped a whole svn repo by hitting the wrong button. whistling2
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  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #16 - February 06, 2013, 01:13 AM
     Cheesy damn you auto correct! Let me edit that.
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #17 - February 06, 2013, 01:19 AM
    Quote from: Abood on February 05, 2013, 02:24 AM
    This is a quote from 'Don't Be Sad', a book by Aaidh ibn Abdullah al-Qarni, who doesn't even provide a source for it.

    As for Kant's religious beliefs:
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-religion/#3.9


    Quote
    The day will come when Allah will gather together the first of the creation and the last of it. The knowledge of this occurrence alone should reassure you of Allah's justice. So whoever's money is usurped here shall find it there; whoever is oppressed here shall find justice carried out there; and whoever oppresses here shall find his punishment there.

    Immanuel Kant, the German philosopher, said,

    "The drama of this life is not complete; there must be a second scene to it, for we see the tyrant and his victims without seeing justice being executed. We see the conqueror and the subjugated, without the latter finding any revenge. Therefore there must be another world, where justice will be carried out."

    Ash-Shaykh `Ali at-Tantawi, commenting on this, said:

    "This statement suggests a confession from this foreigner (to Islam); of the existence of a Hereafter where judgment will take place."

    bahahahahaha
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #18 - February 06, 2013, 01:22 AM
    Gotta give them points for effort. Cheesy
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  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #19 - February 06, 2013, 01:25 AM
    Ahh Mr. Al-Garni! Should have known! I love the fact that his name roughly translates to “The Horny Substitute”
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #20 - February 06, 2013, 01:30 AM
     Cheesy K. al-Strap On eh?
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  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #21 - March 13, 2013, 02:57 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 05, 2013, 01:00 PM
    He was a bit of a Kant.


    Not incorrect. The German pronunciation of Kant is actually 'cunt' with very little emphasis on the K.
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #22 - March 13, 2013, 03:13 AM
    Quote from: sturmgewehr on February 05, 2013, 12:56 PM
    Aren't Kant's arguments used Against the Kalam Kosmological Argument??

    I am not sure if he was a Christian or not but I have encountered his Counter Kalam Cosmological arguments in many debates,


    No, not that I know of. but then I consider the kalam cosmological argument to be a crock of horseshit revived by Christians to peddle contemptible, life-negating moral epistemes that muslims (as successors of Christians in this regard and all things granted, eat up like lascivious lapdogs). Kant's ingenuity lies in the critique of the ontological argument as existence cannot serve as a natural predicate unto itself.
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #23 - March 13, 2013, 04:18 AM
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    kalam cosmological argument to be a crock of horseshit revived by Christians to peddle contemptible, life-negating moral epistemes

     I'm curious how this could be given the most conservative point of the Kalam argument, that the universe merely had a beginning.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #24 - March 13, 2013, 06:26 PM
    LOL. I'm not even interested in the kalam cosmological argument. I'm just interested in how "The universe has a beginning" transforms itself to "A personal God who is Most-Merciful, Just and All-Knowing."
  • Fake Emmanuel Kant quote?
     Reply #25 - March 13, 2013, 07:15 PM
    Sartre deals with this extensively, I think. Don't have the reference at hand. But,essentially, to ask questions we don't know the answer to is nihilistic, barring empiricism, of course.
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