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  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     OP - February 07, 2013, 06:34 PM
    Couple of days late, but great news nonetheless. The Gay Marriage bill has passed House of Commons. 400 to 175. Still has to pass the Lords, so it's not in the bag yet. But great news, eh?



    Gay marriage supporters delighted at result of MPs' vote
    Quote
    When the moment came, it was joyous and loud. There were deafening cheers as the gay marriage bill passed its first parliamentary hurdle in the House of Commons last night from supporters squeezed into a committee room anxiously waiting the result. "As a boy I never thought this moment would happen in my lifetime," said Greg Leonard, 44. "It's really quite emotional".

    Asked if he was married, he grabbed his partner's leg. "Not yet," he said.

    Supporters of the bill had gathered outside parliament as MPs were casting their votes. Archie Young, a 20-year-old actor, was among those who cheered as a lorry driver parped his horn and gave a big thumbs-up to the crowd. "This bill will go down in history as an actual groovy piece of legislation," he said. "It is up there with civil rights and the legalisation of homosexuality. This will be the moment when gay people can get married to each other and be recognised by the state - that's pretty fantastic."

    [More]


    Did anyone see any of the debate? Pretty revealing and interesting, at times heartwarming, occasionally infuriating, but also sometimes hilarious. We had all the usual cliches and canards, a generous smorgasbord of pig-ignorance and fallacies; comparisons to bestiality, slippery slopes, appeals to tradition, reverse bullying, claims of persecution by the religious, "think of the children!" as well as a little fire and brimstone. I'm so glad we got to hear it all because the arguments were so impotent and out of touch that they can only damage the opposition in the long run.

    Nick Herbert's speech was a highpoint for me:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i10R7dWNNs8

    001_wub
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #1 - February 07, 2013, 06:46 PM
    Haha, you guys have a House of Lords.  Cheesy
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #2 - February 07, 2013, 06:47 PM
     Cheesy
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #3 - February 07, 2013, 06:51 PM
    Here's a photo of it:


    Oh wait... no. That's the American one.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #4 - February 07, 2013, 06:54 PM
    The CEMB account twitted this and I thought it was funny

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100201844/gay-marriage-is-happening-can-we-have-an-end-to-the-name-calling-now/

    Guys, can we stop calling people who don't like gays bigots now?
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #5 - February 07, 2013, 06:56 PM
    "I'm not a bigot, but..."
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #6 - February 07, 2013, 07:15 PM
    They never should have brought in heterosexual marriage! It's a slippery slope! Once you start bonking members of the other sex, where will it stop? Old geezer
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #7 - February 07, 2013, 07:22 PM
    Everybody should be castrated at birth.  That way nobody will ever have sex with anyone and we'll all be safe from sin.   parrot
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #8 - February 07, 2013, 07:25 PM
    I'm the Bill past good day for LGBT
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #9 - February 07, 2013, 07:30 PM
    There was also a few nods towards Alan Turing during the debate, which was nice to see. About time he got a full pardon.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #10 - February 07, 2013, 07:48 PM
    Great Job, UK! Marriage is all about the union of two people that love each other and want to bind that love in a committed relationship that lasts till death. And for me, it's about having that right for everyone, gay, straight or bisexual.

    I wish the U.S. would be as progressive as Canada, and now the UK, about gay marriage.
    Tell the bird of superstitions not to speak
    The string of reasons will tie its beak
    Even if faith comes with water of the seven seas
    It'll evaporate on the griddle of wisdom with a shriek.

     - Josh Malihabadi
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #11 - February 07, 2013, 07:57 PM
    Its about time they got this done. For a country supposedly aiming to be based on secular laws they really did take their time.

    This may be abit off topic but do any of you guys think that polyandry and polygyny is acceptable (ofcourse if there is consent from all parties involved in the marriage) in a secular society?
    I always wondered why it was banned under a clear religious law.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #12 - February 07, 2013, 08:04 PM
    Probably a topic best discussed in a separate thread.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #13 - February 07, 2013, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 07, 2013, 06:51 PM
    Here's a photo of it:
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Oh wait... no. That's the American one.


    Cheesy
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #14 - February 07, 2013, 10:01 PM
    At least ours does not sound like some enchanted shrine from ancient mythology. “Then he entered the sacred House of Lords and there made a sacrificial offering of burnt fish and chips on an altar…”
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #15 - February 07, 2013, 10:03 PM
    Yeah, but your one is more loaded with religious BS in practice (boom tish).
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #16 - February 07, 2013, 10:06 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on February 07, 2013, 10:01 PM
    At least ours does not sound like some enchanted shrine from ancient mythology. “Then he entered the sacred House of Lords and there made a sacrificial offering of burnt fish and chips on an altar…”


    But the House of Lords wear silly wigs.  That beats the US Senate hands down, therefore the Brits win.   grin12

    (Imagine if you could force all your politicians to don a silly wig before they spoke in public.  How much better would that be?  For a start it might shut them up a bit).
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #17 - February 07, 2013, 10:11 PM
    A Senate by any other name would smell just as much...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71goJPPAqk4
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #18 - February 07, 2013, 10:13 PM
    At least ours doesn't look and sound like a gathering of time travelers from the 1930's.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #19 - February 08, 2013, 02:30 AM
    UK is one step ahead of France, but France is supposed to catch back soon. Supposedly whistling2.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #20 - February 12, 2013, 11:25 PM
    Am I the only one that doesn't think this is progress? There was a time when the gay liberation & feminist movements were both arguing for the abolition of marriage as an institution. I'd like to ban marriage, plain & simple.

    People committing themselves to each other is people committing themselves to each other. I don't see why anyone would want to invite the state & an institution with it's foundation in religion & inequalities of power into that commitment.

    Maybe it is just me
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #21 - February 12, 2013, 11:27 PM
    No you're not the only one.

    Equality is good, but I don't find marriage, a traditionalist institution, all that important. The fight should've been to put an end to the way this institution controls people's lives, instead much LG funding has gone into just making LG folks part of this outdated institution.

    Meh. LG people have the right to be as miserable as straights Grin
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #22 - February 12, 2013, 11:29 PM
    It's largely to do with peripheral factors, not the committment itself. Things like wills, leave entitlements, blah, blah, blah. If you're "married", you get stuff that plain old lovers don't.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #23 - February 12, 2013, 11:29 PM
    Quote from: Amsterdamned on February 12, 2013, 11:25 PM
    Am I the only one that doesn't think this is progress?

    I'm sure there are several million conservatives and religious people that don't think it's progress.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #24 - February 12, 2013, 11:32 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on February 12, 2013, 11:29 PM
    It's largely to do with peripheral factors, not the committment itself. Things like wills, leave entitlements, blah, blah, blah. If you're "married", you get stuff that plain old lovers don't.


    Precisely, all about property rights, everyone is being co-opted into the state institutional system. Meh!
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #25 - February 12, 2013, 11:32 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 12, 2013, 11:29 PM
    I'm sure there are several million conservatives and religious people that don't think it's progress.


    touche
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #26 - February 12, 2013, 11:34 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 12, 2013, 11:29 PM
    I'm sure there are several million conservatives and religious people that don't think it's progress.


    I can't speak for anyone else, but that's not the angle I come from. I have been in a long term same sex relationship for almost 10 years in a country where same sex marriage is allowed. So I'm hardly a conservative or religious person. Far from it.

    My problem with this is that marriage is itself a very overrated institution. It enforces mandatory monogamy (even if you are in an open/polyamorous relationship, it is actually illegal to be so). It has been the carrier of gender roles for ages. It creates the sense of otherness and makes single and divorced people feel awful. It presumes that children ought to be raised by 2 and only 2 parents. It presumes that people want to stay married "forever", it gives the State the power to dictate rules over your life more and more. Marriage is a conservative institution itself. Sure, it's evolved and changed and all that, but being a conservative thing, it is always lagging behind the times.

    Anyway, I support equality so this is all good AFAIC. I just don't think, as a gay/bi person IN a same sex LTR, that it's as big a deal as some people seem to think.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #27 - February 12, 2013, 11:37 PM
    Quote from: Amsterdamned on February 12, 2013, 11:32 PM
    Precisely, all about property rights, everyone is being co-opted into the state institutional system. Meh!

    Well, if you want to be all bomb-throwing anarchist about it. Tongue

    Another way of looking at it is that if people do live within the same basic society, then all people in partnerships should have the same rights. Which, IMO, is fair enough.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #28 - February 12, 2013, 11:42 PM
    Quote from: allat on February 12, 2013, 11:34 PM
    My problem with this is that marriage is itself a very overrated institution. It enforces mandatory monogamy (even if you are in an open/polyamorous relationship, it is actually illegal to be so). It has been the carrier of gender roles for ages. It creates the sense of otherness and makes single and divorced people feel awful. It presumes that children ought to be raised by 2 and only 2 parents. It presumes that people want to stay married "forever", it gives the State the power to dictate rules over your life more and more. Marriage is a conservative institution itself. Sure, it's evolved and changed and all that, but being a conservative thing, it is always lagging behind the times.

    But it isn't about that for me or anyone I know. For me it's about a romantic commitment, as relevant now as it ever was.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Gay Marriage Bill Passes
     Reply #29 - February 12, 2013, 11:43 PM
    It hasn't brought equal rights. A straight couple still don't have the choice of a civil partnership in the UK. So, they are being forced into the institution of marriage & the rights you talk of, yes, they are all property rights!

    And not all anarchists throw bombs. You say anarchist like it is a bad thing. And it is the same kind of tired analogy that people used to make at me when I was still Muslim about chucking bombs. Just saying :p
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