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 Topic: Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!

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  • Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!
     OP - March 28, 2013, 01:45 PM

    I didn't know where to open this new topic so I did it under the science section.

    What is really interesting that a man back in the 4th Century BC without the help of technology and advanced science could come up with something like this, is fascinating.

    I can't really understand some ostentatious Muslims who claim that what the Quran says about the origin of the Cosmos has never or could have never been known before, well it turns out that it isn't true, we have seen this in other multiple sources and myths where the description of the origin of the cosmos resembles that of the Quran, now the question is, is the Quranic THE SKY AND THE EARTH WERE BOUND TOGETHER AND WE SET THEM ASUNDER closer to reality or this:
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    All things have existed from the beginning. But originally they existed in infinitesimally small fragments of themselves, endless in number and inextricably combined. All things existed in this mass, but in a confused and indistinguishable form. There were the seeds (spermata) or miniatures of wheat and flesh and gold in the primitive mixture; but these parts, of like nature with their wholes (the homoiomereiai of Aristotle), had to be eliminated from the complex mass before they could receive a definite name and character.

    Mind arranged the segregation of like from unlike; panta chremata en omou eita nous elthon auta diekosmese. This peculiar thing, called Mind (Nous), was no less illimitable than the chaotic mass, but, unlike the logos of Heraclitus, it stood pure and independent (mounos ef eoutou), a thing of finer texture, alike in all its manifestations and everywhere the same. This subtle agent, possessed of all knowledge and power, is especially seen ruling in all the forms of life.

    Mind causes motion. It rotated the primitive mixture, starting in one corner or point, and gradually extended until it gave distinctness and reality to the aggregates of like parts, working something like a centrifuge, and eventually creating the known cosmos. But even after it had done its best, the original intermixture of things was not wholly overcome. No one thing in the world is ever abruptly separated, as by the blow of an axe, from the rest of things.

    It is noteworthy that Socrates (Plato, Phaedo, 98 B) accuses Anaxagoras of failing to differentiate between nous and psyche, while Aristotle (Metaphysics, Book I) objects that his nous is merely a deus ex machina to which he refuses to attribute design and knowledge.

    Anaxagoras proceeded to give some account of the stages in the process from original chaos to present arrangements. The division into cold mist and warm ether first broke the spell of confusion. With increasing cold, the former gave rise to water, earth and stones. The seeds of life which continued floating in the air were carried down with the rains and produced vegetation. Animals, including man, sprang from the warm and moist clay. If these things be so, then the evidence of the senses must be held in slight esteem. We seem to see things coming into being and passing from it; but reflection tells us that decease and growth only mean a new aggregation (synkrisis) and disruption (diakrisis). Thus, Anaxagoras distrusted the senses, and gave the preference to the conclusions of reflection. Thus, he maintained that there must be blackness as well as whiteness in snow; how, otherwise, could it be turned into dark water?

    Anaxagoras marked a turning-point in the history of philosophy. With him, speculation passes from the colonies of Greece to settle at Athens. By the theory of minute constituents of things, and his emphasis on mechanical processes in the formation of order, he paved the way for the atomic theory.


    You can easily associate small fragments with subatomic particles or atoms, further, endless in number and inextricably combined in the same mass could be associated with the singularity then you coulf associate "There were the seeds (spermata) or miniatures of wheat and flesh and gold in the primitive mixture; but these parts, of like nature with their wholes (the homoiomereiai of Aristotle), had to be eliminated from the complex mass before they could receive a definite name and character" & "Mind causes motion. It rotated the primitive mixture, starting in one corner or point, and gradually extended until it gave distinctness and reality to the aggregates of like parts, working something like a centrifuge, and eventually creating the known cosmos " with expansion or what happened in plank state and say this is the poetic or philosophical language the guy used.

    Bound also not to forget that Anaxagoras was the first person to discern that the moon reflected the light of the sun.


  • Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!
     Reply #1 - April 01, 2013, 10:57 AM

    Imagine if he had claimed to be a prophet.

  • Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!
     Reply #2 - April 02, 2013, 02:15 PM

    That would mean that Zeus exists  yes

  • Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!
     Reply #3 - August 15, 2013, 07:06 PM

    Isn't Anaxagoras mentioned in the Qur'an as one of the 2,000 odd Prophets?

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!
     Reply #4 - August 15, 2013, 08:20 PM

    That would mean that Zeus exists  yes


    Prove Zeus does not exist.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!
     Reply #5 - August 18, 2013, 11:56 AM

    there was no one on top of mount olymp

  • Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!
     Reply #6 - August 18, 2013, 05:14 PM

    That was only symbolic  Smiley

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!
     Reply #7 - August 23, 2013, 07:30 PM

    No it wasn't, it wouldn't symbolize anything to be honest Smiley

  • Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!
     Reply #8 - August 23, 2013, 08:05 PM

    You're being too literal. Religious discourse is all symbolic


    /Sophisticated Theologian

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Anaxagoras on the Origin of Everything!!!
     Reply #9 - August 24, 2013, 02:00 AM

    Indeed. Haven't proven Zeus does not exist.

    Out of curiosity, let's say he did claim to be prophet. Why would that mean Zeus exists? Mo claimed to be a prophet, I don't believe Allah exists.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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