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  • An article on Amina..
     OP - March 31, 2013, 07:26 AM

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/why-protests-must-be-culturally-appropriate-20130327-2gu2d.html

    Why protests must be culturally appropriate

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    The first thing that struck me about "Amina", the Tunisian teenager who posted topless photos of herself on the Facebook page of Ukrainian feminist group Femen, was the way in which media reports slamming the violent reaction to her protests themselves censored her naked body.

    The 19-year-old who, in typical Femen style, scrawled political messages across her bare torso, has been threatened with death by stoning, lashes, imprisonment and accused of being mentally ill.

    Given our own level of discomfort with naked female bodies used as political statements, is it so surprising that Amina's photos were met with shock, disbelief and outrage? Despite its status as the birthplace of the Arab Spring, the Arab world's first democracy and one of the most moderate Muslim countries in the world, Tunisia is still just that - a Muslim country. And that means it has a particular world view when it comes to women's dress codes and how women's bodies are regarded in the public space.

    As a woman who was raised Muslim within a Western country, I can relate somewhat to Amina's predicament. It is unbearably suffocating to be intellectually free whilst physically bound by social and religious mores that you just don't agree with.

    But it is unfortunate that Amina chose Femen as the outlet for her outrage at her oppression. The tactics of that particular group, dubious even in the West, do not translate to societies that have progressed along the lines as those in the Middle East.

    In her analysis for this site, Clementine Ford wrote, "If women begin to think for themselves and question their environments, they might then demand their own liberation from the kinds of patriarchal societies that empower men… to wield control over them." But that's actually part of the problem. Amina wasn't really thinking for herself; Femen was doing it for her.

    Femen claims that they specifically chose topless protest as their method as a reaction to the (Western style) patriarchy that exploits naked female bodies.

    "Women's bodies have been taken off them," says the group's director, Inna Schevchenko. "A woman's naked body has always been the instrument of the patriarchy… they use it in the sex industry, the fashion industry, advertising, always in men's hands. We realised the key was to give the naked body back to its rightful owner, to women, and give a new interpretation of nudity... I'm proud of the fact that today naked women are not just posing on the cover of Playboy, but can be at an action, angry and can irritate people."

    While this is partly true, it simply does not apply to Islam. Although women's bodies are certainly objectified, it is done in a way that conceals rather than exploits them. Women's bodies are not paraded but hidden, they are not used to satisfy the male gaze but to regulate it, they do not sell products, they are products owned not only by men but also by their family and their society.

    Femen's method of protest is so completely out of step with the prevailing form of misogyny and oppression in Islamic society that it becomes meaningless.

    I am certainly not defending the violent reaction to Amina's protest. I am only stating that there is no space for Amina's actions to be understood as a political statement, making it all too easy to dismiss her as an immoral and mentally unstable young woman. This ultimately benefits those who wish to oppress her.

    Femen are of course milking the publicity for all it is worth, calling for a worldwide topless protest in support of Amina. "Bare breasts against Islamism," demands Schevchenko, further showcasing her ignorance at how misogyny works in the Muslim world. Schevchenko, who resides in Paris, seems blind to the privilege that allows her to live in a country that doesn't see death as an appropriate response to baring her breasts.

    Nudity has such a completely different connotation in the Middle East than in the West, it does not even take a hardline Islamist to be baffled by Amina's actions.

    Amina is not the first Middle Eastern woman to protest in this way. In 2011, 20-year-old Egyptian blogger Aliaa Elmahdy posted a picture of herself on the internet, dressed only in black stockings, red shoes and a red hairclip.

    This too sparked an outrage and Elmahdy was threatened with death. She fled to Europe and is now a fully fledged member of Femen, taking part in nude protests across the continent. Also, then as now, it was not only stuffy old-fashioned clerics who reacted. Even liberal progressive groups, such as the Facebook Youth who were instrumental in driving the revolution that toppled Hosni Mubarak, were quick to distance themselves from Elmahdy's actions, fearing her stunt would hinder their drive to be taken seriously as a political force.

    In such a sexually repressed society, what benefit could her actions serve other than to be used as a warning by opportunistic clerics over where Western-style freedoms will lead? Nude protest is so far off the grid in Islam it is just too easy to dismiss.

    There is a chronic tendency in the West to treat our own liberalism as an innate rather than acquired characteristic. We may be comfortable enough with naked female bodies that we no longer wish to kill women who expose them, but no society can change overnight. And yet, we insist on speaking to Islam through that peculiarly Western phenomenon known as post-enlightenment rationalism.

    So while we may be amused at the convoluted logic it takes to protest women's objectification by stripping, our social mindset permits us to understand that such actions are within the scope of individual rights and freedom of expression, even if we personally disagree with them. But no such rights are sanctioned in present Muslim societies, meaning Amina's protest will be just as inexplicable to everyday Muslims as it is to the most hardline clerics who fear her actions will be "contagious".

    Femen has ignited the rage of a powerless young woman who is now abandoned to her fate. Amina will pay a high price for Femen's ignorance and, tragically, her protest will be in vain because it simply has no relevance, no point of reference, in an Islamic society. Amina loses, as do Muslim women in general.

    The winners? Femen, and those they claim to bare their breasts against - Islamists.


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  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #1 - March 31, 2013, 09:59 AM

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/why-protests-must-be-culturally-appropriate-20130327-2gu2d.html

    Why protests must be culturally appropriate

    ..............Femen's method of protest is so completely out of step with the prevailing form of misogyny and oppression in Islamic society that it becomes meaningless..............

    .............But it is unfortunate that Amina chose Femen as the outlet for her outrage at her oppression. The tactics of that particular group, dubious even in the West, do not translate to societies that have progressed along the lines as those in the Middle East........

    ..................Nudity has such a completely different connotation in the Middle East than in the West, it does not even take a hardline Islamist to be baffled by Amina's actions..................

    Femen has ignited the rage of a powerless young woman who is now abandoned to her fate. [/u ]Amina will pay a high price for Femen's ignorance and, tragically, her protest will be in vain because it simply has no relevance, no point of reference, in an Islamic society. Amina loses, as do Muslim women in general.

        


    Perhaps the lady Ruby Hamad  who wrote that article living in west doesn't understand how shock therapy works ., brainless baboons of Islam  from Islamic societies never get baffled by anything but  by looking and hearing the protests of girl like Amina  educated /semi educated Muslim parents across west think twice  and learn how to treat their 15 to 18 year old girls before he/she gets out of home in to this new world of freedom. Sure she is going to act as rebellious kid looking around the world and comparing with her world she grew up...

    That is a stupid accusation by Ruby Hamad  on that Femen Magazine...   http://femen.org/   is a feminist Ukrainian protest group based in Kiev, founded in 2008. ........  How is that magazine milking publicity with topless pictures of girls protesting against Islamism??  And how Amina got  in to trouble because of those pictures.. She put them on her face book to start with.  In fact the rest of the  world now knows  about Amina because of that magazine and human rights groups will take actions/ protests  if anything happens to Amina..

    Instead of  ranting against Amina  and  Femen.,  Ruby Hamad should have written in support of Amina actions..



    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/by/Ruby-Hamad

    All her articles at  the above link tells me that she is closet religious frigid mind set acting as progressive woman writer of 21st century. May be she is not happy with her gender and body..



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  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #2 - March 31, 2013, 11:15 AM


    I've got no problem with criticism of FEMEN

    But I'd like to know - what does constitute a culturally appropriate radical feminist statement for the Islamic world?

    Because at some point someone is going to de-legitimise it. Even the most mild criticism can be de-legitimised as inappropriate sometimes.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #3 - March 31, 2013, 11:54 AM

    Ruby Hamad
    Vegan. Feminist. Writer. In that order.


    A Feminist Reading of the Quran  By Ruby Hamad

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    ........................Muslims are required to model their lives on that of the prophet Mohammed. Consequently, it is easy to assume the roots of radical Islam can be traced back to the prophet himself, hence the numerous Western depictions of Mohammed as an intolerant, murderous tyrant. Such depictions have no basis in history.

    Mohammed was trying not just to introduce a new faith, but to transform Arabian society. He blamed much of Arabia's ills on the concept of Jahiliya. Referred to as the 'Time of Ignorance' by Muslims to denote pre-Islamic times, Jahiliya, according to historian Karen Armstrong, is better translated as 'irascibility', an 'acute sensitivity to honour and prestige; arrogance, excess, and ... a chronic tendency to violence and retaliation'.

    In establishing an inclusive Muslim community (ummah), Mohammed sought to overcome the tribal ethos that had led to customs such as lethal retaliation for perceived transgressions, honour crimes and blood feuds, and whose patriarchal nature bred violence against women including wife beating, forced marriages and female infanticide, all of which Mohammed condemned. Indeed women had such low standing it is not surprising that, after hearing Mohammed declares women's rights to inherit property and determine who and when they marry, women were among his earliest converts. For this, Mohammed was ridiculed for mixing with the 'weak'.

    In his final sermon to the ummah near Mount Arafat, an ailing Mohammed seemed to wonder how his legacy would be fulfilled. 'O people, have I faithfully delivered my message to you?' he cried. Sadly, it is Jahiliya that one sees in much of the Muslim world today. It is in Pakistan's ludicrous blasphemy laws, and it rears its ugly head every time fanatical preachers whip young men into a frenzy demanding they 'defend' the prophet's honour whenever the West is accused of insulting him. ...................


    Muslims don’t fit into a simple left v right debate  by writer and filmmaker Ruby Hamad

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    .............There is no doubt that much of the attacks on modern Islam are simple bigotry......................

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    ....The furore over Park 51, the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque,” is one example. With many denouncing it as an Islamist monument to victory on “conquered lands,” the squabbling between left and right became so loud, it drowned out the voices of Muslims themselves.

    What could, and should, have been a legitimate debate about freedom of religion and cultural sensitivity, descended into a political melee, prompting Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid, general manager of Al-Arabiya Television to complain, “(T)he mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they have not heard of it until the shouting became loud between the supporters and the objectors, which is mostly an argument between non-Muslim US citizens!”

    By reflexively denouncing everything from opposition to Park 51 to questioning the place of the burqa in modern society, western leftists are also treating Islam as a monolith and denying Muslims the opportunity to debate these issues themselves.....

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    .........................Those who denounce Islamic ideology as ‘medieval’ would do well to note that the golden age of Islam was actually in the Middle Ages, when art and literature flourished. Muslim women, not yet driven behind the veil, enjoyed rights that were unseen in the west until the 20th century.

    While Muslims were excelling in science and mathematics, the Catholic Church was torturing heretics and burning ‘witches’ at the stake.

    Fundamentalist Islam is a modern construct, a reaction to secularism and western hegemony. The way to counteract its growing influence is not by decrying Islam itself as evil, but nor is it by dismissing all criticism of it as racist................


    Well that is a  sample from her writings.. She is trying to look after Modern Islam  and I am not sure what it is.  She is Modern Muslim with modern Quran, modern Hadith and Modern Prophet Muhammad with sunglasses.  It is easy for MODERN MUSLIMS like  Ruby Hamid with new age Islam  sitting in Australia and rant against 18 year old girls like Amina of Tunisia .. She may be vegen and she may be a writer.. But feminist??  may be she is Islamic feminist...  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #4 - March 31, 2013, 02:50 PM

    Well Billy and Yeezevee I get what you're saying, but that woman is becoming a hero in the West, but a nothing in the East. What happened to the girl who posed naked before her? Well being someone who reads the posts shared on Arabic forums, let me tell you that she not only had little support, but people could not comprehend what she was doing. I read some comments and thought "er no, idiot, it's not like that at all!" but it' not like I could change anyone's mind. I believe this author knows what she is talking about. I think that protesters will get attention again, in the West and as expected, Amina is a hero and has a tonne of support. But anything from the other side?
    The idea is that people understand things in their own context, and it's not like the Arab world has had any gender revolutions let alone are prepared for some good old boob flashing. I mean they are still taboo in secular places too.
    Anyway before anyone attacks me, I support her cause. I grew up with that context. I understood the article and saw it like how she did. I guess if 100 other women also did it, they can't all be called crazy, and it might gain some attention. I can't tell you what the solution is, but I understand this authors POV as a person from a shitty conservative background whose society insists on living in the dark ages. And we're talking about *this* article and *this topic*, so I wont read the random links to her other things.

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    But I'd like to know - what does constitute a culturally appropriate radical feminist statement for the Islamic world?

    There is a girl named "angry arabiya" on Twitter (https://twitter.com/angryarabiya). You might have seen her. She does daily protests and stands in front of tanks and gets beaten up by the police. Not a feminist, but she has moved people on both sides of the world because she does this daily and it is a relevant cause  in Bahrain. So they consider her crazy...but if that's what they consider crazy, she'd probably just get locked in a mental hospital if she flashed her boobs at the tank. Maybe gang raped, and then forgotten.
    I honestly find my parents culture passive to feminism. Women especially, who are consumed by this idea that men go to hell because of female mischief. Hiding away, barefoot and preggers. I really can't imagine what it would take for them to gang up on the men and create a real and long lasting change. It will take some hefty education and teachers that are willing to give young girls this idea that they are not slaves to men. I believe it needs to start with the young generation. The oldies are finished in terms of ideas. What I see is mothers, teachers, shitty role models giving girls this bad cycle...then you have a random boob flash, and everyone calls for her death. Meh, it looks bleak to me. Maybe I'm a pessimist.

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  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #5 - March 31, 2013, 03:18 PM

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    Well Billy and Yeezevee I get what you're saying


    I understand what you're saying.

    Its just that even mild criticism of aspects of Islam can lead to the charge of being an orientalist, western stooge, etc etc etc

    We see it all the time.

    Also as much as I personally don't agree with all of what Femen do, I wouldn't ever like to say that there is no space for direct personal action that is provocative in certain contexts.

    As always its complicated I guess.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #6 - March 31, 2013, 03:32 PM

    Well Billy and Yeezevee I get what you're saying, but that woman is becoming a hero in the West, but a nothing in the East. ..........


    1st i would like to know which woman are you talking about  Jila?   there are three woman in the posts.. Amina of Tunisia. Ruby Hamad of Australia and that girl Malala of
    Pakistan....

     if  Ruby Hamad is a hero?  hero for who?  I want you to watch this.. and let us put our thinking caps put Amina and that western hero Ruby Hamad in the context of that tube..

    Damn it is tough to type left hand and one finger



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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #7 - March 31, 2013, 04:42 PM

    Am I missing something or does it look like religious bullies in Tunisia are unhesitantly rendering Tunisian law obsolete? For her "crime", she was eligible for a fine and two years in prison. Up steps some vehement mullahs and claims for themselves not only an Islamic right to lash her 80 to 100 times, but also execute her for her excess offensiveness.

    So there these guys go, amputating Tunisian penal codes,  decorating an already gruesome Islamic one, so that they can execute a 19 year old citizen while still having the guts to claim for themselves the right to be offended. Can one get more reactionary and ridiculous than that?

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  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #8 - March 31, 2013, 05:12 PM

    Am I missing something or does it look like religious bullies in Tunisia are unhesitantly rendering Tunisian law obsolete? For her "crime", she was eligible for a fine and two years in prison. Up steps some vehement mullahs and claims for themselves not only an Islamic right to lash her 80 to 100 times, but also execute her for her excess offensiveness.

    So there these guys go, amputating Tunisian penal codes,  decorating an already gruesome Islamic one, so that they can execute a 19 year old citizen while still having the guts to claim for themselves the right to be offended. Can one get more reactionary and ridiculous than that?

    Minimow  forget about bullies and baboons of Islam.,  , I want to you to read Ruby Hamad and counter that..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #9 - March 31, 2013, 08:54 PM

    I understand what you're saying.

    Its just that even mild criticism of aspects of Islam can lead to the charge of being an orientalist, western stooge, etc etc etc

    We see it all the time.

    Also as much as I personally don't agree with all of what Femen do, I wouldn't ever like to say that there is no space for direct personal action that is provocative in certain contexts.

    As always its complicated I guess.


    That's true and really sad. One quote by Angry Arabiya's sister which is in a video somewhere: "I can freely walk in and out of the middle east knowing that I cannot be arrested or killed". And she smiles. To me, that is the ultimate kind of power a person can possess. To be known and supported so much that the government shits their pants at your very existence. I think that if you have the support of the mainstream group you are trying to target, you already win no matter what.
     Unfortunately for Amina, she is a Western symbol now, no support from the mainstream she wants to target (it's Arab women right?). If this was a weekly protest with everyone doing it, it will tell us that this is a cause people will fight for. In fact, if she was aware of her society, she may either be extremely optimistic that it could have worked, or known she would be an outcast that even women don't support.
    Her philosophy may be a top down revolution, unfortunately without the right army, she fails.

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  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #10 - March 31, 2013, 10:32 PM

     The naked truth about Tunisia’s topless protester  by Yvonne Ridley

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    Tunisian feminist Amina Tyler says that she set out to highlight the issue of women’s rights when she posted topless pictures of herself on the Femen website. Since you can see topless girls on Page 3 in Britain’s largest selling newspaper and similar full frontals across other European print media, it wasn’t really such a shocking act.  However, her audience wasn’t European; it was aimed at a specific group of conservative men in Tunisia. To make sure that they got the message, she wrote, “My body is mine, not somebody’s honor” in Arabic across her breasts and stomach. The reality, though, is that she could have just shown her shoulder blade with the same Arabic writing on her flesh and it would have had a greater impact and drawn wider support for the point she was trying to make.

    The images went global on March 8, International Women’s Day. To make it easy for English-speaking commentators who might not quite have grasped what she was trying to say, the avidly secular Femen also published a picture of Amina across its masthead with “Fuck your morals” scrawled across her naked torso in English. To cap it, on her own Facebook page, she published lots of similar photographs of other topless women from around the globe who wanted to show their solidarity.

    As a lifelong feminist, I was slightly underwhelmed by it all; i.....................

    Now I don’t really want to dismiss Amina’s act as juvenile and pretty pointless, but it was. Without doubt it took a great deal of courage for her to bare all for women’s rights, but I get the feeling that this was more about attacking Islam than anything else.  Some of the Salafis in Tunisia need to stop being so misogynistic and un-Islamic, while some of the spineless politicians in the moderate Al-Nahda ruling party also need to stand up for and empower their wives, mothers, sisters, and daughters.

    Tunisian women, especially those who wore the hijab, were treated in an appalling way during Zinedine Ben Ali’s brutal regime; neither their honor nor their faith was respected. That some are now encountering difficulties because of their gender in the new Tunisia is an outrage. There would be no new Tunisia without the unstinting support and courage of women who some men are now trying to sideline and airbrush out of politics, the workplace and education.

    As I often say, we women are half of the global Muslim Ummah, and we gave birth to the other half. To try and dismiss us as irrelevant or incapable is foolish and wholly un-Islamic.................


    you are what? A Feminist?   I say you are a  Islamic Fe-monist .......... well i don't want to read it...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #11 - April 01, 2013, 08:17 AM

    I wish Ridley were a member here because that's JOTM material right there.

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  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #12 - April 01, 2013, 09:07 AM

    Ew vomit Yvonne Ridley.

    I agree with what I think Jila is trying to say. These women need to understand that they're operating under a certain cultural context and get their point across in a way that doesn't alienate and disgust their target audience and potential supporters. I know that I -- as a Muslim female born and bred in the West -- would have reacted quite negatively to Muslim women flashing their boobs for women's rights. The whole notion of exposing yourself would seem silly, blatantly un-Islamic, immodest, offensive and I wouldn't really get the association with women's rights. The right to give men a free strip show? 

    The fact is, if you alienate the very group whose rights you're fighting for (Arab/Muslim women) and only manage to gain widespread support from a group that is considered the antagonistic "other" (Western feminists), you're gonna lose. 

    These girls could've been a wee bit less provocative. As much as I hate to agree with Ridley, she has a point about the shoulder thing, really the only valid point in her entire article. It'd have been more effective and would've made a statement. 
  • An article on Amina..
     Reply #13 - April 01, 2013, 10:36 AM

    Al-Alethia uses this signature  of --Friedrich Nietzsche :  "The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."      

    and..and says
    ....................................

    These girls could've been a wee bit less provocative. As much as I hate to agree with Ridley, she has a point about the shoulder thing, really the only valid point in her entire article. It'd have been more effective and would've made a statement. 

    Amina has done it.. let the baboons learn to deal with it... some rascals need electrical shock therapy.. so give it to them..

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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