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  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     OP - March 31, 2013, 11:12 AM

    For the past week in Hip hop community, there has been a lot of debate about Hip hop promoting rape culture after two popular mainstream rappers Lil Wayne and Rick Ross made references to rape and date rapepectively in a condoning manner which caused an outrage. What picks my attention most was the debate between Talib Kweli and Lupe Fiasco on twitter and I think they both have valid points, to summarize the whole thing Talib Kweli believes blaming the rappers( whom he thinks are the victims too)and their negative lyrics as the root cause only dismisses the real problems, and consumers who buys their albums instead of positive hip-hop material are partly responsible for causing the problems since they are encouraging them to rap more about the negative stuff.He also thinks there is no point in censoring Gangsta rap artists in general since their music reflects the negativity in the community like a mirror which consumers don't like seeing. Lupe Fiasco on the other hand argued that focusing on negative lyrics and the artists as the root causes along with other factors are highly justified and the lyrics only portray certain sections of the community and dismiss others. He also argued that negative lyrics not only "distort the images of the community and create not pure reflections but some abstracted self fulfilling hideousness" ergo rappers should be accountable for the things they rap and promote.  To read more about it, follow @LupeFiasco and @TalibKweli. The tweets are still there.

    And also few articles to share about the topic:

    Is Hip hop destroying Black America

    Why mainstream hip-hop is a grave threat to our children.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #1 - August 25, 2013, 05:03 PM

    Surprised no one commented on this.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #2 - August 25, 2013, 05:38 PM

    Tell me about it, I felt that I shouldn't have posted it in the first place if people weren't interested to discuss the issue.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #3 - August 25, 2013, 06:12 PM

    Two interesting articles there.  The first one seems a bit conspiratorial though, and fails to address the point that the heads of radio stations and record labels are only in it for the money - not to keep black people down.  If they weren't making money from all the most negative, dumbed down, misogynist rappers, they wouldn't keep signing them.  The second article I agree with.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #4 - August 26, 2013, 05:26 PM

    yeh people quote hip hop lyrics and say it inspired them to fly into skyscrapers at 400mph

    people quote hip hop lyrics when justifying chopping of half the skin of the dicks of new born males babies

     whistling2
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #5 - August 26, 2013, 05:52 PM

    Tell me about it, I felt that I shouldn't have posted it in the first place if people weren't interested to discuss the issue.


    I think it's self evident that Hip Hop/Gangster culture does promote mysogyny and rape. The BS that 'I'm just speekin' da truff' doesn't cut it with me. There are only a select group of individuals who commit these crimes over and over again. Then  they get to boast about it via rap and claim that this is the reality of everyday life. Seldom is the female perspective given on this issue, or how to solve the problem.

    Gangester rape of such a nature is utter BS.  'Keepin' it reel' and 'speak da truff' are code ways of saying 'I'm justifying my life style and those of my peers by tainting everyone with the same brush'.

    No time for these loser at all.

    penguins


    I speek da truff yo!

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  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #6 - August 26, 2013, 06:05 PM

    Hip Hop promoting misogyny and rape, not really but Gangsta rap, yeah maybe although they are exceptional rappers like NWA and 2pac who are rapping in the form of being journalists who reports on what is going on in the ghetto society highlighting the crimes and socio-economic problems or adopt a persona just like how actors do in the movies. If people are going to blame on hip-hop for promoting misogyny,rape or  any other crimes then what can we say about rock music or movies like Scarface,Goodfellas and other gangster or mafioso movies.

    However, we do have a lot of fake/phony/sell-out rappers who are doing it for commercial purpose just to add more greens in the bank for themselves and the labels that promotes them. I think that's where the real problem lies instead of blaming the whole genre itself.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #7 - August 26, 2013, 06:42 PM

    Dunno I'd put Pac and NWA in the same category in this context. After Cube left the group they were just kinda putting out violent misogynistic stuff because they knew it would sell. Listen to Niggaz4Life, the rhymes are WAY over the top with that shit. Still a great album with great rhymes and beats but you hear a song like "One Less Bitch" and it's almost like they were out to parody their own genre. Pac in contrast pretty much always spoke from the heart...and never made an inauthentic album and always included positive messages in his art, not just one or two token "positive" songs.

    fuck you
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #8 - August 26, 2013, 06:52 PM

    2Pac - Keep Ya Head Up
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhqblJCadEA

    001_wub

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #9 - August 26, 2013, 06:57 PM

    I'd struggle to find a more anti-misogyny hip hop track.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #10 - August 26, 2013, 07:10 PM

     Afro Yup, one of his best songs from what I regard as his best album.

    fuck you
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #11 - August 26, 2013, 07:25 PM

    Dunno I'd put Pac and NWA in the same category in this context. After Cube left the group they were just kinda putting out violent misogynistic stuff because they knew it would sell. Listen to Niggaz4Life, the rhymes are WAY over the top with that shit. Still a great album with great rhymes and beats but you hear a song like "One Less Bitch" and it's almost like they were out to parody their own genre. Pac in contrast pretty much always spoke from the heart...and never made an inauthentic album and always included positive messages in his art, not just one or two token "positive" songs.


    Yeah, I agree on Niggaz4Life.I should have been specific by mentioning only "Straight Outta Compton" and Ice Cube earlier works. My point was that Gangsta Rap was more of a reflection of the prevailing values in an African American society than as a medium that encourages youth to be sexists,misogynist and engage in all kinds of crime.

    Speaking of Niggaz4Life, after listening to it once,I just put it aside and didn't touch the album again because it was too much handle,I never heard any album that has much shock value like that. Grin

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #12 - August 26, 2013, 07:54 PM

    If people are going to blame on hip-hop for promoting misogyny,rape or  any other crimes then what can we say about rock music or movies like Scarface,Goodfellas and other gangster or mafioso movies.


    People do, have done and will do for good reason. It's not in the same vain as say nutters claiming that Harry Potters promotes witchcraft. That's when the conversation gets silly and logical fallacies are replete.

    Hip Hop does not commit this stupidity as much as gangsta rap but it does promote materialism, objectification and the rudeboy wannabe image.

     

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  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #13 - August 26, 2013, 07:56 PM

    I'd struggle to find a more anti-misogyny hip hop track.


    All of the Spice Girls songs  whistling2

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  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #14 - August 26, 2013, 08:18 PM

    My point was that Gangsta Rap was more of a reflection of the prevailing values in an African American society than as a medium that encourages youth to be sexists,misogynist and engage in all kinds of crime.


    Was, sure, but not so true that's true today. With only a few exceptions gangsta rap ceased being an innovative artistic subgenre once No Limit ushered in the Dirty South era.

    Quote
    Speaking of Niggaz4Life, after listening to it once,I just put it aside and didn't touch the album again because it was too much handle,I never heard any album that has much shock value like that. Grin


    You're missing out. Some great tracks on that album.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuY6Xd3eLhk

    All of the Spice Girls songs  whistling2


     Cheesy

    fuck you
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #15 - August 26, 2013, 08:23 PM

    In my best Iron Sheikh accent:

    'Fuck da Hipidy Hops! Fuck da gangshta raps! Fuck da NWA and...er...er...fuck da Tupacs!'

    If you want real anti-mysogyny hip-hop song, then look no further than this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9qDh9iIzAs

    Islam cures rapes!

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  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #16 - August 26, 2013, 09:36 PM


    Hip Hop does not commit this stupidity as much as gangsta rap but it does promote materialism, objectification and the rudeboy wannabe image.

     


    Blame the mainstream industry,MTV,BET and the radio stations that promotes those.If you are looking for good hip hop music that is devoid of all this, Underground hip hop or conscious rap is your best bet. Trying to blame the whole genre is a blanket accusation you are making.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #17 - August 26, 2013, 09:41 PM

    ^^^^^ no I blame hip hop for that and even if it is a generalisation, generealisations are generalisations for a reason. Again, pointing a couple of artists or tracks that are not materialistic, do not objectify women and do not promote 'rude boy wannabe' attitude does not negate the fact that hip hop in general is capable of doing so.

    I no longer listen to the music. I much prefer my old skool Bollywood ghazals.

    Fuck 2pac, Mohammad Rafi, Kishore and Mukesh kept it real!

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  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #18 - August 26, 2013, 09:46 PM

    *sigh* I give up.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #19 - August 26, 2013, 10:02 PM

    No mate...

    It appears as though you know the industry better than me. But you must be concerned that this generalisation that people have about hip-hop is so persistant. No?

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  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #20 - August 26, 2013, 10:45 PM

    Was, sure, but not so true that's true today. With only a few exceptions gangsta rap ceased being an innovative artistic subgenre once No Limit ushered in the Dirty South era.


    Yeah, I'm not really a fan of Dirty South or Southern rap for that matter besides Scarface,Outkast,Killer Mike and few others I can't recall now.


    I like that track but this one is my favourite although I prefer Straight Outta Compton album

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jiApGzY5Guo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjiApGzY5Guo

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #21 - August 26, 2013, 10:52 PM

    To the op, Lupe Fiasco definately is right. Rappers need to be held accountable gor the nonsnse they say just like any other figure. And as for you guys citing Tupac as being anti-misogynistic, the dude was charged with rape, cant remember the details of the incident.

    People should not rely on uneducated entertainers for social commentary, In that song that Ishina posted, Tupac says "they got money for wars but can't feed the poor", which is hyperbole in the extreme! Noone in the US goes hungry because they have food stamps for the poor. The fact is that the US has by far one of the best social welfare programs in the world, not on the same level as the UK, but better than 90% of the world.
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #22 - August 26, 2013, 11:05 PM

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    People should not rely on uneducated entertainers for social commentary


    Like
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #23 - August 26, 2013, 11:07 PM

    And as for you guys citing Tupac as being anti-misogynistic, the dude was charged with rape...

    ... and found not guilty.

    In that song that Ishina posted, Tupac says "they got money for wars but can't feed the poor", which is hyperbole in the extreme! Noone in the US goes hungry because they have food stamps for the poor.

    The tune was recorded in 1992.

    And honestly, if that's the only finicky, nit-picky point you can find to complain about, you're welcome to whatever tiny measure of satisfaction it brought you.

    And if you genuinely believe nobody goes hungry in the US, then I envy your naivety. But that's an entirely different discussion for a different thread.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #24 - August 27, 2013, 12:00 AM

    And as for you guys citing Tupac as being anti-misogynistic, the dude was charged with rape, cant remember the details of the incident.


    ... and found not guilty.


    Incorrect. He was acquitted of most of the serious charges and found guilty of a petty sexual assault charge for allegedly slapping a woman's butt. The verdict and especially the sentence says a whole lot more about the racist American criminal injustice system than it says about Pac. The song linked was recorded months before the alleged incident...if you can listen to that song and honestly condemn the man who sung it for rape on the flimsiest of evidence (shit you yourself said "can't remember details of the incident") then it's a statement about your prejudice and ignorance.

    Quote from: Tonyt
    People should not rely on uneducated entertainers for social commentary,


    Rely? Who here "relies" on it? But that someone didn't have a university education and is an entertainer is a reason to dismiss their social commentary out of hand?

    Also this uneducated entertainer who is unqualified in your learned opinion to speak on socio-political issues got a scholarship to the Baltimore School for the Arts and his mother, father, stepfather and godfather were all members of the Black Panther Party and Pac himself was formerly a member of the Young Communist League. Yeah what the fuck does he know about politics? He was Black and didn't even have a university degree!

    Instead let's listen to some random dude on the internet, he knows much better.

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    In that song that Ishina posted, Tupac says "they got money for wars but can't feed the poor", which is hyperbole in the extreme! Noone in the US goes hungry because they have food stamps for the poor.


    Yeah cause musicians/artists/entertainers NEVER use hyperbole. A song is totally the appropriate place for dispassionate intellectual social commentary, and if it's not 100% accurate then the message is worthless.

    The message is correct.

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    The fact is that the US has by far one of the best social welfare programs in the world, not on the same level as the UK, but better than 90% of the world.


    Okay either you're trolling or you're woefully ignorant. When compared with other countries with similar GDP our social welfare programs are horribly inadequate. Hell some "Third World" nations have better social programs than we do. AND WE'RE THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE MUTHAFUCKIN WORLD!

    When I see "ghettos" in Europe I fuckin laugh at what they consider poverty. In many ways we have the social/economic conditions of a Third World country, and yes our poor people are better off than their poor people-- wonderful, the richest country in the world has poor people who aren't as bad off as those in the same Third World countries our ruling class regularly exploits-- what a great accomplishment!

    Please, please tell me you're trolling (though a true troll would never tell I suppose).

    fuck you
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #25 - August 27, 2013, 12:27 AM

    TonyT isn’t a troll, but the issue is not so black and white. (No pun intended.)   I generally enjoy hip-hop, with the exception of its latest dumbed down, Southern Gansta manifestation which I find both intellectually vacuous and devoid of any real skill.

    Hip hop, love it or hate it, reflects the realities of the environment in which it was born. The problem, in my opinion, is that it has come to artificially define a culture that was once much more diverse, leaving entire swaths of black youth who really do get their social commentary from uneducated entertainers. This perpetuates itself even outside of the ghettos, so that a black kid in a working class neighborhood or even in the suburbs is more likely to feel they must identify with “hip hop culture” more than anything else.
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #26 - August 27, 2013, 12:46 AM

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    Take Kendrick Lamar, for example. The young Compton spitter just surpassed platinum sales and everybody loves the 25-year-old. His album, Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City, is a classic coming of age story about the trials and tribulations of a young man. It’s not overly positive, not overly negative…it’s just excellent. There are intricate tales woven in and out of lush audio backdrops. He’s an exception to the rule, but a good indication of what can be if rappers decide that it doesn’t have to be all booty music and shoot ‘em up songs.



    +1
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #27 - August 27, 2013, 01:37 AM

    The whole of MTV is sexist and misogynistic.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #28 - August 27, 2013, 07:04 AM

    Rely? Who here "relies" on it? But that someone didn't have a university education and is an entertainer is a reason to dismiss their social commentary out of hand?


    Many young people. Rely on it, when I was a teenager I myself was influenced by it. And no you do not need to have a degree in public policy to comment in it, but at least have some experience in the field, Tupac demonstrates that he had none with what he said in that song. I do love that song anyway, but most of Tipac's other songs are just about glamourising violence, crime and money.

    Quote
    When I see "ghettos" in Europe I fuckin laugh at what they consider poverty. In many ways we have the social/economic conditions of a Third World country, and yes our poor people are better off than their poor people-- wonderful, the richest country in the world has poor people who aren't as bad off as those in the same Third World countries our ruling class regularly exploits


    Really? Because I have visited a lot of countries in Europe and never really felt that. The real shocking contrast I see is in the poverty you see in Third World countries, where you see people that obviously have 0 chance of bettering their lives or their children's lives. Obviously the US does need to improve it's social welfare system and I'd be happy to pay higher taxes to support it. Id rather see a system like the UK has, but to say the US has no money to feed the poor is just flat out wrong and shows that Tupac had no understanding of the social welfare system.
  • Hip Hop and Rape Culture
     Reply #29 - August 27, 2013, 07:31 AM

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    but most of Tipac's other songs are just about glamourising violence, crime and money.


    LOL, its only one album that was about" glamourising violence,crime and money" and that is All Eyez On Me double disc released under a label called Death Row owned by a gang member from LA.If you have considered the situation he was in and how he got himself into the label (which he wanted to leave by the way before he was killed) then maybe you would understand why he made an album that is the antithesis of most of his works. The album itself wasn't made for any other purpose but for entertainment which was to make money. So before you deem "most" of the tupac songs as glamourization of violence,crime and money, you might wanna check his whole catalogue before you stereotype him as one of those so called "violent" (which he is not) and "uneducated"rappers


    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
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